Angel vs. Autococker

[Dubtastic]

I have an impulse that I am happy with, but would really like a second gun. So I am toying around with buying either an Angel or an Autococker (I especially like the Dye Autococker).

What would you recommend?

[Super 3]

I think it just depends on your style of play but in my opinion if you already have an electro why not go with the mechanical autococker? And yes i agree the dye autocockers look very nice.

[brad85]

i was am going to be buying a new gun soon and i had trouble picking between another cocker or buying an angel, i decided to get another cocker cause they are just awesome

[tourny_wannabe]

i think getting a dye cocker or an angel would ebcome your starter gun instead of your seconed /backup gun

thi shtread has been done soooooo many times and its all opionion and they always come out so biased

but i dont have an angel or a cocker so heres my view

angels are great for front because of speed and they dont break down a lot so you dont have to worry about it breaking and getting bunkerd while fixing it or something like that

cockers are good for front with a hinge trigger but im not saying that cockers break down a lot but shoooting really fast and all those moving parts creat friction and welll....u do the rest

so in summary

angel=front
cocker=back

now stop these pointless threads

[AvalonGT]

I would go with the angel.
Cockers and angels dont have much diff to them besides that cockers break way too much. angels dont.

[tourny_wannabe]

Originally posted by AvalonGT
I would go with the angel.
Cockers and angels dont have much diff to them besides that cockers break way too much. angels dont.

spoken liek a true towns idiot

first of all cockers and angels are like totally differnt

cockers are mechanical while angels are electronicaly shot
cockers use a waaaayyyyyyyyy differnt system to function than the angel or any other gun

and no cockers dont break down a lot, cockers are preety reliabele but are more prone to break because of all the friction that goes on with the pumping and cocking and all that ****

if you have even looked at either you would know that what you said is totally wrong

and this thread is totally prefrence

[AvalonGT]

Im knot talking about the insides,I know there all diff. Im talkign about there proformence. There different yes, but not but alot.Well they have alot of probles when they break its not too easy to fix. when they break there not to easy to get back together. So lay off dude

[tourny_wannabe]

i wasnt flaming

but cockers and angels do perform dffernt also, cockers are accurate but angels shoot a lot faster unless the cocker have tha 460$ electro frame forgot the name

and the cockers at your field that break down, what type are they?
stock, and are they running off co2?

[AvalonGT]

Some stock some upgraded kinda alot. Im not saying its its 100% they break everytime you use them its jsut when they break...they BREAK (some reason I always spell "just wroung")

[CadaveriInumeri]

Before I begin my rambling, I'd like to request that we switch the official forum language from English to Angrish, a language some at this forum seem to have invented.

Now, as stated above, it depends upon what style of play you prefer. Angels are hard to beat at medium to short distance, while Cockers own from a long distance. Why?

You would have to pour alot of money into a Cocker to get it to cycle as fast as an Angel. In laymens terms, Faster Cycle Rate = More balls in the air at one time = greater chance of hitting something.

But this does you nothing if your opponent is a considerable distance away from you; you'll basically be watching your paint helplessly as it hooks after some distance. Solution? Autococker.

The arguement over which is "better" (And "better" is a VERY loaded word...) will never be solved, whether it be Cockers Vs. Angels, Cockers Vs. Mags, Electro Vs. Mechanical, etc. EVERYthing, and I do mean EVERYthing, depends upon your style of play. Period.

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[133+ Player]

First, everyone settle down. Second do you want the impy your main gun no matter what even if the performance is better? If so i'd get a upgraded Spyder for the money and it'll be a great backup gun. Or if you don't wanna go back to blow back and you don't care about your impy get the angel. Everyone and their brother has a cocker and just everyone's brother has an angel.

Actually thinking about it, i'd get an exscal not much of a price difference from an angel. Plus it's one of the best markers out there. preety much a combo of an angel and a cocker. Nearly the speed of an angel (well about 13 bps for best performance but who shoots higher then 10 usually? in full auto that is) with the front cocking of a cocker. A nice all around the gun, and then i would just use your cocker as a backup.

[Punk Buster]

Race gun trigger on a cocker ROXX. (End of story)
Also agree with the longer distance.
autocockers are based upon the sniper. They are heavier because
of the pnumatics simulate the sniper affect.
See ya down wind boys.

If you are worried about it breaking then do what brad85 might do. Get a back up Cocker. But I remember this discussion years ago about Mags and Cockers. Now its Angels and Cockers. what will it be tommorrow?? Perhaps something else and Cockers.
What I do know is Cockers have been there and tourney tested for years. (Gotta be a reason PPL STILL use Cockers @ tourneys)
why cause they rock.
The only difference is that they are more user friendly then they used to be, and WGP changed there logo.
(PPL might actually be there to help fix it , that wasn't so b4)
(chopped block timing holes spring kits,even a ball detent) have been added since the originals and come like that now. ;)

But which is better ??
(They are all nice, Angels,Mags,Cockers, pgp's =P )
Throw the paint if you have to just get the flag
So Does it really matter ?
When it always comes down to the player.

[ajdx100]

Guys, look at Avalanche, one of the winningest teams, wat do their back players use? angels
look at Dynasty, one of the most up and coming teams, wat do their back players use? angels
look at lockout, one of the best teams out, wat do they use? cockers
im leaving out many teams, but another example is rosie, he uses a cocker when the rest of his team shoots electros.
This all depends on personal preference. Those teams put up with the rainbow effect of the angel and get thier share of kills, and lock and rosie put up with thier non-electric cocker's lack of rof, and they get thier share of kills. Honestly, it is all in the eye of the beholder, paintballs can only get so much distance and accuracy, markers can only shoot so fast. Basically, they are both great markers and i would play with either one anyday. I have had both markers, a tricked cocker that operated around 250 psi, less after i lowered it but didnt have a gauge, and now an angel. Im a back and i can play with both equally well, i do prefer the angel though due to its low maintenance and raining of paint ability.

[Punchcard]

Okay, here is my take on it. It is a decision based upon what you want in a "user experience".

Both markers are awesome. I've got a customized '98 cocker and it rips. I've put every thing on there myself. I know that marker inside and out. I know what to push to make it shut up, what to tighten when it sounds like such, what to check to make sure hasn't worked lose etc.

The down side of that is, well, you have to know all that stuff. The cocker can be a tempermental little lady. It is the Milenium Falcon of paintguns. You can make a lot of little modifications, you have to know how to make it work properly again. Sometimes it isn't working the way it should, you gotta fix. It takes time. It can be fun, it can be fustrating. But your cocker is YOURS.

I am now looking to get an Angel. Why? One because I like to spend money on paintball. When I'm at work, I want to be playing paintball, and I think about my next toy. Cocker is maxed out, time for the next toy. Second reason. I don't have to worry about anything. No wigling cocking rod, no hissing 3-way, no adjusting of the cocking pressure etc. It just performs, hassle free. The down side is, well it isn't a tinkerers gun. Most work should be done by a tech. And frankly there are not a whole lot of performance upgrades, they are all pretty much cosmetic. One angel shoots pretty much the same as the next.

As for all that accuracy/range/flatter trajectory bunk, take a physics class. Any paintgun that delivers consistent pressure to a paintball, using good quailty paint with a good quality barrel will have the SAME trajectory when chrono'ed at the same velocity. Anyone who tells you different needs to take a physics class as well as learn about observer error.

The angel will shoot faster. No paintgun will be accurate if you don't aim/are a lousy shot. The only reason I have come up with for the whole "closed bolt more accurate" is that the movement of the bolt claping shut foreward at then end of the firing cycle helps bring the front end of the gun "foreward down" after the back and up generated by firing the paintball. But that is a shooter thing. Be a stable platform and know how you shoot and you will be fine with either.

Punchcard

[SSinful]

well said punchcard...

[Punk Buster]

That's not totally true.
What cycles the angel is eproom code to the chip. After that is timing cycles done by computer Software more code.

It is not the gun that is fast it is the software.
Every 1 knows that cockers can now be electro also.
And I assure you it is alot easier to find that sweet spot that keeps her cycling with the jolt of the cocker. I am not putting other guns down, But you'll never convince ME.

I have a '95 Electro(Race Gun) Cocker I built my self and my friends say that an autococker can't fire like that, even though it is in front of them doing it.
:P

[Dynasty_PB]

Thats a toughy, but would go with the dye since you allready have a elecro u mite learn a lot fromt the mechanics of the cocker and in my opinion the Dye cockers are as good as it gets.

Peace.Love.Unity.

[133+ Player]

If you get a cocker get one with a flatline and post a pic of it, i still haven't seen a real one (like someone holding it not some store thing)

[simon woodstock]

i'd go for the angel for sure.
lots of cockers do break down. i have no clue why, maybe cocker owners are more prone to fiddling, but i've just seena pattern.
i like the feel, look and speed of angels.
the trigger is electric and easier (imo) to rip on. i also like the crisp feel. i'm not really a cocker guy, but i'd go for the angel 7 days of the week w/o thinking twice.