What do you wana get done to your tribal?

[Paint Bulley]

FIrst I need a Nitro Tank, hopefully 68/4.5k or 68/3k
then I want to get a Frontal reg, (with no hose)
and I think mabye a new valve, I was talking to a guy from pbnation, and he said new valve will make a whole lot of improvement when firing quickly...

then mabye have Me262 make me a sweet trigger, and do a trigger job on t, and have tougher wires put in and different color led's.

Then either get in ano'd or air brushed black to red fade.

But that will take a while, I need money.

WHat you guys planing to do??

[VeNoM]

if i ever got a tribal, the first thing i would do is give it Richard (me262) he does such awesome work with them and makes them shoot incredible. great trigger jobs and they run smooth and fast as hell . . . he is the man when it comes to tribals (or any gun, really) hehe . . .

[Vaypourus]

For the 2.0 Tribal Fluster I am buying-

First, I am buying a Mac Dev Gladiator, CP Flame drop, some kind of high rise, 14" Lapco Bigshot, and a 12" CP one piece. Then, I am going to polish out the machine marks on the body of the Fluster. I will send it to Fearfactory Paint Ball and have ME262 do a blood red to orange fade anno job, and acid wash the flame pattern down to the aluminum. All of the parts will match, and the flame drop will have the same acid wash. Then I will have him do the Full Fear effect with a red valve, NW Cup Seal and a AOC replacement with an ANS Jackhammer II, anno'd to match of course. I will also have him make me a delrin bolt. Then I am buying a orange 12 volt revy, poping in a WAS turbo rev board (we'll see how it works) and send the fresh gun to Have Blue at Airsoldier and have him do the Warlord upgrade and make the revy Intellefeed. When I get it back, I will pop on some orange macroline, slap on some orange Dye stickys, add a Mac Dev teflon ball detent, screw in the 68 4500 Centerflag 420 preset, and have the best tribal ever. I am really serious about doing this, and I figure it will cost me about $1500 to do it. Then I can start to build my cocker, starting with the Mac Dev Sonic body kit.....*drools*

I have to buy the gun first though~:rolleyes:

[*cpt*seawolf]

Well i jsut got my Mephy. I have added a 12V revvy, PMI perfect drop, Macroline (all black). I have a 68/3000 Fibre Wraped Tank.

thats it for now, but eventually i want the gun annoed Platnium Dust (like the dye cockers), clear macroline, clear stickies, and a system X 2 piece barrel with clear tip.

and a furry chip, and maybe that blade trigger ME262 made.

[WARPED1]

Not nesscasarily in order:
getting a single trigger frame
warlord
lightened microswitch
LPR mod/micro rock
anno orange to black fade
photoeye(ACE)
H.A.L.O.
blue led in place of the red one on the side
PMI 5000psi T.H.O.R.
Palmer stabilizer
extreme rage "stickies"
j+j 10" ceramic barrel

[Paint Bulley]

Originally posted by vaypourus
For the 2.0 Tribal Fluster I am buying-



I have to buy the gun first though~:rolleyes:


love that, huge paragraph of what you want... at the bottom, first i need one though :D :)

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anyone gona run a ricochet of theirs? i think those look so much nicer than halo's, and Me262 can get them intellifeed also (sweet)

[WARPED1]

Originally posted by Paint Bulley



love that, huge paragraph of what you want... at the bottom, first i need one though :D :)

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anyone gona run a ricochet of theirs? i think those look so much nicer than halo's, and Me262 can get them intellifeed also (sweet)
I smashed my rico with a hammer,it doesn't do anything advertised,it was supposed to not let balls roll back up,it did,it was supposed to count shots,it was always at least 80 off,it was supposed to warn you when you were low on paint,it never did.

[Paint Bulley]

could you of had a bad experience? lots of people use them and love them...

[WARPED1]

Every rico I have ever seen acted like mine did.........EVERY SINGLE ONE!

[Paint Bulley]

You know how Have Blue does the ACE which would be sweeter than a blueberry pie (i dont like blueberry pie)


If you get that done, do you have to have that dorky wire protruding from the body to go up to the vert feed?

if you dont know what i mean, go check out the warlord upgrade at www.airsoldier.com and look at the wire thing...

Can you get rid of that, anyone know, cuz not all markers with ACE have a wire...

[Have Blue]

There's no way of getting rid of the wire. You could build a bracket to shield it, I suppose, but enough people balk at the existing price that it just isn't worth it.

[Paint Bulley]

isnt it only $90 + minimum of $65 for fury or up to $180 for warlord?

$145 for 20 bps with antichop eye isnt bad... IMO

[WARPED1]

Why though?You will never shoot neae that many bps,the ACE is a nice idea tho.

[Paint Bulley]

but to get ace you need that... (fury chip or warlord UPGRADE)

[WARPED1]

Yes,but why make multiple modes of fire,none are allowed anywhere.And why over 13bps?Thats the limit in ANY tournament,no point,I say companies stop wasting money on multiple modes of fire and develop pther things,new things(I don't know what,but something).

[Have Blue]

Why do companies put in multiple modes of fire? Because our customers keep asking for them!

I don't believe I've ever heard of a bps limit in any tournament (other than the 9bps for 'turbo' modes). Hence customers want their gun to shoot as fast as possible.

[WARPED1]

The international safety limit in an agreement decided by all the major gun companies,agreed on 13bps as the limit,but none except AKA has limited the guns,It's an insurance thing,oue current masks are not able to withstand repeted blasts of 20bps without breaking,this was determined independantly by the ASTM.A non pb organization concentrating only on safety.
IMO ever gun company should make semi only and 13bps max,heck the new BK0 is capped ar 10bps,the new mag is going to be 11,theres no reason to go over 13,heck 99% of shooters can't even shoot past 9bps without mechanical assistance(like r/t).When i release the 'X' it's only going to be semi(like Excalibur,Viking,and the Matrix),and be capped at 13bps.

[Have Blue]

There, you just said it - the 13bps is an industry agreement, not a tournament rule. Were it an actual tournament rule, you would see much more widespread adoption of 13bps caps on guns. Until that time, companies will sell what their customers want - i.e. massive rates of fire and lots of firing modes. The vast majority of players are not tournament players - they are recballers. Full auto is legal for many big games and outlaw play by nature is 'anything goes'.

Additionally, that 13bps limit can easily go out the window once aftermarket parts (boards and chips) become available. Look at the E-Mag - Tom Kaye refused to put full auto on the gun, but the new E-Magnum board (basically a KM2 Morlock) bypasses that.

I'd be just fine selling 13bps guns. However, that's not what my customers want.

[WARPED1]

True,but even in big games it's not being allowed anymore.I just had friend participate in the lasr Wayne Dollack 24 hour scenario game here in Fl,and only semi was allowed,a few guys used it,got caught,then kicked out.

[Have Blue]

True, it is being phased out for big games, but many do still allow it.

I think the bottom line is that as long as it is allowed somewhere (i.e. outlaw play), there will still be demand for it and hence, we'll still see full auto guns.

And that's not even taking into account the military/police training market, where you will always have a need for full auto (AT-85 and M-4, for example).

[WARPED1]

Don't get me wrong,I like the multi modes,especialy 3 shot butst(like an M-16),but I think the major gun companies should concentrate on other things,let the small guy(etl.you Have Blue)make board upgrades for multi modes.Just my 2 cents.

[Have Blue]

I think they should concentrate on adding other features as well. However, to be perfectly honest, it's so trivial to add high ROF and multiple modes once you have the basic electronics functioning that most places will do so. That is, the enhanced marketability of the product that comes from a minimum of develpment expense (and no additional product expense, since you're just twiddling bits) is a no-brainer for the bean counters.

On the flip side, however, additional modes, bells and whistles require methods of changing those settings. What we're seeing on the low end of the electro spectrum is exatly what you are hoping for: semi only operation. If the manufacturer can eliminate a DIP bank or a potentiometer, not only do they have one less component to purchase, but their board size has shrunk, and they can then be made more quickly. True, you could set the gun up to be trigger programmable, but that isn't the sort of feature that a company is going to put on a mass-market entry level gun (plus, you'd still need a switch lockout of some sort if the baord was mode capable, thus additional expense). Competitive economics are forcing the semi-only issue, if nothing else (on the low end, at least).

I enjoy this discussion :)

[WARPED1]

I guess they were thinking of going with OEM boards.

[Have Blue]

Yes, I've seen that as well. I don't think it's the right solution, though. Look at the Angel LCD with the hidden modes that can be unlocked. Look at the Fury and Chaos chips - sure, you keep the OEM board, but you can change the chip. Or, if you are required to retain the original chip, it's usually pretty easy to hook up an ISP programmer and dump new code in (this is basically how the settings on the Excalibur are modified, as I understand). Plus, such a ruling would pretty much crush the aftermarket board industry (which is steadily growing). And what if an OEM board is found to have a major fault, and the company goes under? (i.e. the 6-shot burst on powerup of a Tribal - certainly not tourney legal!)

One of the better suggestions I've heard is to simply limit the loader technology (no force-feed, gravity only). This automatically limits you to around 13bps max. Regulation would be much easier - you can count the number of powered loaders on one hand, but there's a bewildering array of guns. Additionally, I don't think people would be as adverse to being told "sorry, you can't use your Warp" as they would to "sorry, you can't use your Angel".

All IMHO, of course. :crazy:

[Paint Bulley]

Im fine with the 13 balls per second.... But I wouldnt mind the ACE , and to get that you need the 20 bps.

[Vaypourus]

I am looking forward to having that many modes of fire with my Tribal. It will be more of a show gun anyways...I can bust it out and brag (bragging is fun! Hey angel owners...look at this!) about having X number of modes of fire and being able to shoot that 18 bps...

I know it sound kind of gimicky, but I think its pretty cool. I will pay for all of those modes as well~

[Paint Bulley]

you know what would be sweet to have on your tribal..

AN I-Frame... that'd be nice :)

[Vaypourus]

I-frame? Are you talking about an Intelleframe?

[Paint Bulley]

Originally posted by vaypourus
I-frame? Are you talking about an Intelleframe?


no Im talking about the hyperworks I frame

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=56608&highlight=Impulse

they look sooo nice, and are supposed to be awesome

[WARPED1]

Intelliframe=huge waste of money

[Vaypourus]

For mags? Are you on drugs my boy? The AGD Intelleframe is the best thing that has come out in a while for the mags.

[WARPED1]

It's just a damn trigger job and intellifeed jack!I can get both seperately at half the price.The best thing for mags is the new Lvl 10 mod thats comin for emags!*drool*

[Vaypourus]

You don't own an Intelliframe Warped1....just trust me on this. Its alot more than a jack and a trigger job...

*also, the Level 10 Mod will be for all existing mags, level 7 and up.

[WARPED1]

Cool on the upgrade,I've shot one,not immpressed,just my opinion,if yall like it fine.

[Vaypourus]

I'm just saying though..do you have alot of experience with the mags? If you do, then you know how bad the trigger can be....the Intelleframe just makes it compareable to some of the other triggers. No other frame can even compare to it, as far as performance.

[WARPED1]

I shot mags for years,the trigger was never bad imo,I owned my mag for 7 years and chopped maybe 20 balls.The trigger was fine,it got even better when I did trigger job on it!