Excalibur Viking

[Reyminsious]

I'm fed up with all those Angles, Autocockes, and Intimidators! I'mr ady for a real gun! But I dont know which one I should get? I decided to go to AKALMP because the strings I get with the Sidewinder I have on my Intimidator are jsut amazing! SO if they put that kind of performance into all there products I can go wrong!
Anyway here we go. I've enver owned, nor seen an Excalibur or Viking. So, if any of you woul be so kind to post Pros/COns of each and recomended Upgrades, recomended air systems, etc. I would be greatly appreciated. I look forward to joinng the AKALMP family. Jus so you knw money is not an issue. I realyl want an excellent, efficiant, reliable, marker!
Thanks in advance for any suggestions
"Reyminsios:

[JorynnRace]

I voted for the Viking, and the real reason I did that, is price.

The excalibur is hands down a better gun, but its really expensive, and I think that the Viking competes with any of the guns you listed above.

Currently, excaliburs can't shoot as fast as the Viking (10.something as opposed to 13 bps), which is apperently being either fixed by a third party modder, or something.

AS for other upgrades... umm... there really isn't anything you can put into either. I mean, when you buy one, you have the option of single/double trigger, or low/high rise. This option is for the Excal and Viking. The only real upgrades you'll want is maybe a new barrel, unless u already have autococker barrels...

I don't think there is currently anything you can do to either gun. They are both optimized. I mean AKA used to ONLY make upgrades, then they made 2 nearly perfect guns (unless you count the merlin.. but its really an autockocker of sorts)

Umm.. recommended air systems... the rule of thumb for excals and Vikings is.. uhh... use anything but CO2. U COULD use CO2.. but why would you want to? Basically, the sidewinder can handle nearly any air tank u put on it. Presets or adjustables. Since the sidewinder is so good, it greatly reduces or even eliminates shootdown. So basically, if the tank has good air flow... it'll work.

I personnally will be using a conquest 68/4500 , but thats because its is such a multi tasker. ie, I can use it on any gun without problems because it is a good tank.

OK, I am an idiot.. I just read the bottom of yer post. Money isn't an issue.. so ignore my vote and go for the Excal. It is more consistent, and really efficient. (both are consistent and efficient, but the excal is just better)

[MuffinButt]

I went for the Viking. I'm a little biased though because I own one.

If money isn't an issue I think it doesn't really matter which one you go with. The Viking is an Excalibur but closed bolt. Same trigger assembly, board, body (except where the bolt slides in), barrel, reg.

To me the markers are so close in performance that it comes down to price. $700 (CAN) is too big of a difference for a marker that will essentially perform the same.

[MINDofSIN]

The Viking is an open bolt Excalibur. The E has more options and, in my opinion, has more "prestige" because more people will shoot Vikings. If you believe in the closed bolt theory the E might be right for you.

If I had to choose which one to buy, Viking due to price.

[Reyminsious]

Well, couldn't I buy a VZiking and then buy a Closed Bolt? I use an Intimidator, and Ilove the performce or closed bolt markers. However I looked over the SPecs on the Excalibur and the VIking and they are the same gun except for the Bolts. But that does make a pretty big diference. ALso where would I buy one. Cause I e-mailed AKALMP like a week ago regaurding them.

[splatterpunx]

closed bolt isnt a kind of bolt ,it's a fireing position and on the excal requires a second solinoid,hence the cost,shockers are the only other closed bolt electro so far

[Reyminsious]

Then whats an Intimidator? Because it uses the LPr to cotrol the movement of the bolt....

Anyways I was actually lokingat the Merlin. It uses like less than100 psi or did I not read that right? Well anyone know where I can ind some more info on it?

[MuffinButt]

A merlin is just an extremely well made cocker. I don't know about the 100 psi operating pressure so I won't comment on that.

As for the Timmy having an LPR and therefore being closed bolt, the Viking also has an LPR (as well as the Excal) but the Viking is open bolt. As far as I know the Timmy is open bolt.

Here's how to know if the marker is open or closed bolt: stick your finger in the breach when the marker is in a resting position. If you hit the bolt, it's a closed bolt. If you can put your finger to the bottom of the breach it's open (the bolt is in an open position, meaning it's ready to accept another ball).

[splatterpunx]

most marker's use a lpr to control cocking pressure,bushmaster,viking,excal,autocockers,angel s,timmy's etc

a timmy is a open bolt marker,as 90% of markers made are,if you dont have a autococker,pump,excal,or shocker you dont have a closed bolt,it's that easy


a merlin is a cocker body kit,most of them come raw,then you send it to have it milled and annoed at the shop of your choice,but i have seen a few merlin's,that aka had on hand that were annoed and milled and awaiting your choice of pnuematic's


the operating pressure of the merlin because of design is supposed to be about 140 if set up propperly


if your looking into the merlin you should do ALOT of cocker research,as in understanding how they work,what part's will work best for your need's,where to get the type of anno and milling you want at the best prices and service

[JorynnRace]

I was very unclear about the subject myself until last night when I asked our Admin Sid to tell me what the difference was between open bolt and closed bolt.

Its like this: An open bolt marker is at rest, as in doing nothing, with the bolt at the back of the marker. This leaves the feed tube effectivelly "open" and allowing paintballs to fall in.
You pull the trigger, the bolt moves forwards and air is released at the same time to propel the ball, then the bolt returns to its position in the back. This entire action only requires one solenoid to perform.

A CLOSED bolt gun is at rest with the bolt forward, effectively closing off the feed tube, NOT allowing paintballs to fall into the breach. When you pull the trigger, one of the solenoids is responsible for pushing the bolt back, then the other pushes it forward and again releases air at the same time to propel the ball. When this is done, the bolt is once again in the forward position.


Hope this helps clarify why yer intimidator is open bolt.

I can't remember exactly what the LPR does.. I think it is responsible for pushing the bolt back to its rest position after having fired.. but i could be wrong.

[Auctionjunkie!]

Originally posted by JorynnRace
I can't remember exactly what the LPR does.. I think it is responsible for pushing the bolt back to its rest position after having fired.. but i could be wrong.

The LPR supplies the air that drives the bolt or hammer to where it needs to be.

Dan

[WordTizzle]

ive read that open bolt markers are just all around faster.
and closed bolts are better for shooting short strings.
What do u guys think is a better firing position?

[splatterpunx]

99% of the closed vs. open argument is that closed is more accurate,it is harder to feed a closed bolt marker faster,the jury is still out on the truth about it,action junkie was going to do a side by side viking vs excal test but i dont know if it was done,basically they are the only 2 markers were a decent test could be performed