Cocker ROF vs Mag ROF

[xtremepballman27]

WHich has the higher rate of fire?

[ry_goody]

Mag

[Spyder_Kid]

mags are capable of shooting up to like 25 balls a sec with the retro valve...but even with the warp feed i doubt thats possible

[Halliday]

Automag.

[toadman7b22]

unless you put in hundreds of cash into a cocker the mag
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[Silent Knight]

from what i've learned. it seems that the mag is hella lot faster

[Silk42]

If you have a well tuned cocker you can shoot just as fast if not faster than a mag. Plus you will not break as many balls and shoot alot farther. You should look at shocktech cockers at badboyztoyz.com They can shoot faster than any mag.

[toadman7b22]

put a retro valve on a mag and i gaurentee u will be shooting the fasted mag in town
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[magman518]

Silk no gun has better range. A mag with a retro can shoot faster then any cocker.

[mefunny]

Mags.

[Keikan]

Rof is so frickin silly, Who really needs to unload so much paint?? 15,20 balls a second- What will this acheive besides the possibility of sending someone to the hospital?

And what does it matter unless its not electronic? Can you pull the trigger 15 or even 10 times in one second?

Didnt think so.

Kinda rediculous- when I do get an electro ill be using 3 shot burst probably, maybe a little faster for cover fire. but I certainly dont see needing the rediculous rate of fire people expect from guns today.

[Whisky]

Originally posted by Silk42
If you have a well tuned cocker you can shoot just as fast if not faster than a mag.
No cocker, tuned the best it can be, and triked like hell will never have the rate of fire that a Mag with the retro valve. They`ve tested the mag shooting at 25 bps ( obviously a computer was shooting) with not a single ball break.

[Silk42]

Whatever if you have a good cocker you can shoot it just as fast as any mag and have better, farther, and more accurate shots. A well tuned cocker can be shot just as fast if not faster than a mag. Mags are a thing of the past.

[Whisky]

Well, well. I like to talk to people like you who just like to crucified anything cause they heard people who heard something from somebody who was told buy some guys who has seen somewhere that maybe somebody have tought that this could be wrong....
It seems that you have to go back to school, no offense here.
The retro Mag ,is unfortunately for you, the fastest gun on earth.
The best cocker out there can shoot as fast as your finger can pull the trigger that s for sure.And we are talking here about very fast trigger pull, but no cocker can exceed 12 bps. And that woud be the fastest one. The Mag have been tested at ( i said 25 bps) but actually at 26 bps with no noticeable drop off.
I know that most cocker lover are much more Mag hater. But the fact that they hate or love the Mag won`t change that they are the fastest gun out there. This is not my own opinion, but the pure reality.
I don`t know if you know what 26 bps means, but it is 300 balls per minute faster than the fastest us military riffle.
Anyway, that people agree or not won`t change the reality.
Oh and Have you heard about the E-Mag, this is not from the past, but this is the future of paintball markers.
Nuff said...

[Halliday]

Right on brother!

[Keikan]

Like i said its done by a computer. When someone can pull 10, 12 etc Bps with their finger with out the help of Electro-pnuematics- then it will matter to me.

[Whisky]

I agree with you that if you are talking about the manual trigger pull, all guns are the same, i don`t know very much people that can shoot much faster than 7 trigger pull a second. That`s why there are electropneumatics guns with auto response trigger, cause no human being could ever pull a trigger 20 or even 12 times a second. But here we were talknig about capacity of a gun. And no gun out there can compete with a mag equipped with a retro valve.
That`s it for tonight folks.
Ciao

[Keikan]

Even though i own a very nice cocker im not going to argue about which is faster simply because I dont know anything about mags. I just find this a pointless argument since no one here could pull 25 times a second without the help of Electropnuematics.

[p8ntballMerc]

OK, guy that siad cocker owners hate mags well met the guy that likes mags but owns a cocker.Yes, Mags WITH retro valve can shoot faster, but not as accurate as a cocker. My cocker didn't break as much paint as my mags and my cocker is more accurate (thats a fact). My RT shoots faster than my cockers,but it broke a hell of a alot of paint. Both guns have the same range (no such thing of a paintgun shooting farther than another). I owned 3 mags(automag, minimag, and an RT) I also owned 2 cockers (decked out 99 cocker and SFL cocker).

MAYBE if a machine pulled a cocker's trigger it can also shoot fast as those machined shot mags.


BOTH GUNS ARE GREAT!!!

[Whisky]

Yes it is possible to break more paint with a mag due to his high rate of fire and people trying to push it to fast and short stroking.
About the more accurate thing, only people that knows the truth an followed all test that could have been done know it`s not. Go on warpig and check in the articles section, they made a test beetween closed and open bolt, they both have the exact same grouping at an exact same fps at a same rate of fire.
I did shoot a tricked cocker last weekend, it`s not just for me. But it don`t mean it`s not good.
i don`t think there is such thing as better markers. Anyway, i think that people paying such attention to their markers are probably not so good players.
I don`t say i am good (even if i am.. :) ) but i never think about my gun, except when it breaks, which is hardly never. I don`t care what people think about my mag, if they like it or not, if it is what pro use or not, i can kick any a** with it.

[sackerwc]

Umm, I don't think that its the faster then any Army Gun.....
The SAW.. can fire over 600 shots a min........
and a few more can to.......

They are hand carried guns to.....

sack out...

[Whisky]

I ve been in the army and i ve shot the fastest gun on earth (before the emag) and it can shoot between 700 and 950 a minute.

[PB ninja]

I know a retro mag can shoot faster then anything out there but people need to stop saying that it can shoot 25 bps. In that test they weren't even firing paintballs they were firing perfectly round plastic balls which were force fed int the gun and the trigger was pulled electronicly. All that test was for was to illustrate the recharge rate of the valve. At 25 bps it would probably just pulverize paintballs (I say probably because no one has ever fired real paintballs that fast).

[PB ninja]

Originally posted by Whisky

About the more accurate thing, only people that knows the truth an followed all test that could have been done know it`s not. Go on warpig and check in the articles section, they made a test beetween closed and open bolt, they both have the exact same grouping at an exact same fps at a same rate of fire.

The difference between cocker and mag accuracy isn't in shot groupings it is in trajectory. Cockers have a much flatter trajectory then mags

[Halliday]

Yes I agree to a point. I think it has more to do with the regulator system on Cockers, and Shockers w/ the Max-Flo.

Better regulator=better consistancy=percived accuracy and range.

[xtremepballman27]

so mags have a higher rof?

[p8ntballMerc]

I never siad anything about a paintguun being better than another. I read that thing from warpig and I think they're right. But to ME, MY cocker just FEELS more accurate than MY mags. And what kind of attention do you mean? You mean if my marker works great or no? Well I just like to know if my marker works great or not cuz my marker is the only thing that can help tag someone out. You don't have to call me a bad player just because I like paying attention on how my marker will save my A**.


Whisky I like mags too.

[dwyer9]

Who really cares about rate of fire. No human can pull the trigger 25 or 26 times a second it isnt possible. My cocker is sooooooo much more accurate then my mag. when I put to balls right in a mag f@*s face it isn't going to matter how many he just shot at me. The fact is the cocker is more accurate and I would kill him. Plain and simple, shoot at me all you want when I line up...your dead..you are the weakest link...goodbye!


Cockers ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuule!!!

[flyingdeadbody1]

mags can be just as accurate as cockers...just as halliday said, the difference between accuracy in cockers and mags is consistency. Regulate the mag a little better and you will have the best of both worlds!!! A mag that eats cockers up for breakfast!!!

[Backtrack]

950 rounds a minute? HA!! That's nothing! The fastest gun on earth was the Mini-Gun that they used in Nam'. You know, the quad pods they mounted on the Huey's? Well those suckers sent 6000 rounds a minute (One of the guns alone) towards Charly. Think about it. That is 50 ROUNDS A SECOND!!!!! Times four..... 200 rounds a second- that is amazing. And about the rof thing. The beauty of the RT valve is that it forces the trigger back. Which is what makes it possible to fire so fast. And if any of you have tried the new reactor tirgger thingy (if forget what it's called) for the model 98-- you WILL belive that ANYBODY can shoot 20 bps. The sweet spot is soooo easy to find. Now the marker cannot feed at 20 bps which leads to lots of broken balls---- but modify a 98 with the warp feed and that is one awsome gun.

[flyingdeadbody1]

gatling guns on f-14 tomcats fire well over 50 rounds a second

[Halliday]

That would be funny modding up a M98 like that. Like yesterday I saw a guy with a Boomstick on a M98. One of the kids was like, "Man, that barrel costs more than the gun!"

[krasher]

Thing about the M98 is the valve can't recharge fast enough at 20 bps. So its not really realistic to shoot at that speed. Plus, the kick is pretty bad, so it won't be that accurate in that speed.

Anyways, I can fire a cocker soo much better than a mag, I just do not like mag triggers. Cocker triggers aren't good IMO but still better than a mag trigger. But its all preference.