Pump vs Semi

[JayHeich]

I AM getting a semi I'm Just curious as to some stuff.

1) is a pump more accurate then a semi? If so / not why?

2) Are pumps less expensive then semis(Obviously the cheapest pump will be less then the best semi, but im talking quality)

3) Exactly hwo do they work? Picture plz?

[VeNoM]

some say pumps are more accurate, its near impossible to determine if this is true though . . . i personally like having the best of both worlds, a semi-auto pump, autocockers. a pump gun that pumps its self, its great :)

[TreeBeardTheEnt]

If you were to get a pump anyway, the kingman hammer is $55, takes spyder barrels, and is decent. similar to this is the traccer, and the maverick. the sl-68 II is by tippmann, is very sturdy, but is around $120 (overpriced). phantoms, armsons (which i have), and sniper II's and III's are the high-end pumps. phantoms ($175) and armsons ($150) are the best, and snipers ($210) are overpriced but can be upgraded to become a very nice semi, called the autococker.

I made this list below a while ago, and how handy it is:

Pumps promote thoughtful shooting, as opposed to spray and pray.

Pumps save money, as gun upgrades are not needed to make a pump good; they are generally good to begin with. Semi guns often are given upgrades, such as barrels, x-chambers, regs, low pressure, nitro, etc, etc, before they can be considered "good" by their owners.

Pumps also save money through less gas and paint consumption.

A good pump is generally quieter than a semi.

Pumps are closed bolt, and so are inherently more accurate than open bolt semi guns, as less bolt movement and slower feeding promote greater accuracy.

Pumps are more consistent than semi guns, using very little gas and being of a simpler design. Consistency will allow a player to know that the effective range of each shot will be very close to the next.

Pumps are generally lighter in weight than semi guns, as they have less moving parts, no need for large tanks or hoppers, etc. This equals faster movement and higher agility in the game.

Pump players are forced to rely more on the development of accuracy, timing, and technical skills through an inability to rely on an "accuracy through volume" mentality.

Pump play is different and therefore is inherently less popluar than semi play. Playing pump requires the user to go against the conformist grain of rejection, which usually is seen in the shallow, simple, and ignorant statement, "pumps suck".

Watching the facial expressions of ignorant semi players as they find out the pump player hit them is priceless.

Hitting the player with the 'cocker feels even better.

The higher accuracy of the pump will encourage the pump player to rely on aiming, over spot aiming, or using one shot to guide others.

The combined qualities of pumps encourage stealth, where a pump player knows that every shot must count, as misses will simply give away the location.

The satisfaction of knowing that you, as a pump player, can just enjoy yourself in the game, rather than worrying about gun failures, malfunctions, and wasting money on too much paint is a good thing.
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check out the pump/stock forum for more stuff.:cool:

[AK47]

I sat a good semi is just as accurate, pump is a good skill biulder, if your good with a pump, i'll be a demon with a semi.:)

[Silent Knight]

Pumps promote thoughtful shooting, as opposed to spray and pray.

[TrUeMaNsHoW90]

Pumps are closed bolt, and so are inherently more accurate than open bolt semi guns, as less bolt movement and slower feeding promote greater accuracy.



this is the biggest load of crap ive seen in a while. it is a myth that closed bolts are better than open bolts.

[TreeBeardTheEnt]

Actually, it is a myth that this is a myth. The Autococker, Shocker, and Excalibur are the closed-bolt semis i know off-hand, and their accuracy exceeds that of any gun in their price range. I think this qualifies closed-bolt as being inherently better than open-bolt, at least as far as accuracy goes. I know that the excal can only fire 13bps, and the shocker 11bps stock, so then closed-bolt probably aren't what you want if you want bps...
I know you. You started that flame war in a thread of the pump/stock class forum of the same name...it was funny. You were talking about your Timmy being what you needed to win. Skill allows you to win against pros.:pissed: :pissed: :pissed::goody:

[Radius]

In my experience, I have never noticed a difference in accuracy between open and closed bolt.

I will do the math one day, but I want to know the rate of expansion vs. how far the ball travels before the bolt retracts in an open bolt system. I suspect the paintball is already out of the barrel before the bolt begins to retract. If that's the case then there can be no difference in accuracy. It's just a theory for now though.

I do know from experience however that a semi will become more inaccurate than a pump if you use CO2 and fire a lot of paint in a short period of time. The main reason is velocity fluctuations resulting from the CO2 chilling the marker and not expanding as rapidly. A pump won't normally do this because the ROF is much lower and has more time to warm up between shots.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by TreeBeardTheEnt
Actually, it is a myth that this is a myth. The Autococker, Shocker, and Excalibur are the closed-bolt semis i know off-hand, and their accuracy exceeds that of any gun in their price range. I think this qualifies closed-bolt as being inherently better than open-bolt, at least as far as accuracy goes. I know that the excal can only fire 13bps, and the shocker 11bps stock, so then closed-bolt probably aren't what you want if you want bps...
I know you. You started that flame war in a thread of the pump/stock class forum of the same name...it was funny. You were talking about your Timmy being what you needed to win. Skill allows you to win against pros.:pissed: :pissed: :pissed::goody:


i kno shockers r slower when stock but u can get an angel frame 4 em and make em shoot fasta than lots of open bolts obviously as fast as the ever so fast angel

[optimas77]

go for a semi they shoot faster like 6 shots a sec minimum and they are just as accurate

[camoman5000]

I once played with a Talon and a Tigershark once (woodsball of course). I was surprised, I personnely never found a time when I had to shoot 6bps, and I got a couple of poeple out. If I had my preference, I'd just get the semi. I would get a Phantom, cuz it fits me better than any semi, but they are to damned $$$$. Oh well, I'll keep the semi...most of all because I'm lazy (I hate pumping)