Camo..

[GIHavoc]

I wanna buy some camoflauge..

A lot of the other guys I play paintball with have Camo pants or hats or something. I was lookin for a place to buy it online, but I can't really find a store (online). - - ANy suggestions or websites of places to buy camoflauge?

[Mad Ogre]

Whatever you do - DON'T buy standard US MILITARY cammo!

Buy Russain military surplus cammo or Hunting camo (which is better anyways).

[GIHavoc]

Oh, ok thanx - but why is that?

[Mad Ogre]

Image. Paintballers need to get away from the militia look.

[Magnus55]

I always buy my camo from the military surplus stores. Though I know what you mean about the whole 'they wear military camoflauge so they must be training to kill people' theory that some people have. Its a bit tiresome. The reason paintballers wear camoflague is the same as the military's: so they are harder to see. People create baseless stereotypes because they don't understand and are unwilling to try and understand. It's like saying that that guy (in reference to just an ordinary guy) has a golden necklace, so he must be a pimp, because pimps have golden necklaces. These are groundless assumptions, and like my band teacher always says 'when you ASSUME you make an A-S-S out of U and ME'.

[DIRTY HARRY]

Originally posted by Mad Ogre
Image. Paintballers need to get away from the militia look. Why?
So people will like us? I hear this image problem coming from all over and I don't get what you're trying to do. If you play speed ball with a bright jersey on and a colorful marker your not all of a sudden playing basketball. You're shooting at someone with a g-u-n!!!. You want to change the image of paintball throw the damn things at each other. GIhavoc, if you're playing in the woods get some camo.

[Mad Ogre]

Guys - I understand where you are coming from...
And its one thing to say that you dont care what other people think... thats fine.
But what other people think makes a huge difference for the sports future!
Yes you can wear cammo! Just try not to wear US Military cammo! I said that before. Training to Kill People is the attitude that most people who dont play have in many areas.
Canadian players almost got hosed by legislation snuck in by people who hate paintball and softair and BB guns because it teaches people how to kill.
You can buy cheap surplus cammo from russia, german, or othr places that dont look like the US Military... You can buy hunting cammo that actually WORKS BETTER that doesnt look like the US Military's. The Army's cammo pattern instantly turns a lot of people off... these people mainly the parents of new players, socker moms, and people who also use public properties where Rec Players often like to.
These people can seriously damage the sport by calling sherrifs (This happened at one of my favorite fields within the last 2 weeks) and they can kick everyone off the field. (Yeah you can say "No they Can't" here on the net but in the field you have a paintball gun and he has a .40 cal SIG and a badge with matching cuffs, so yeah, he can). Town Meetings can further curtail our sport because these people can go to a town meeting and ***** about it and all the sudden Paintball is a Problem and the township can pass an ordinance... presto... no more paintball in your area!

Paintballers need to be a cut above. We need to be GOOD CITIZENS. We need to LOOK like good citizens and we need to ACT like good citizens. If your field has some trash around it - have your team pick it up. Appearance is everything. This sport is coming under scruitiny more and more as the sport becomes more popular.

[DIRTY HARRY]

I think you're even missing you're own point. Camo is camo to most people, weather it's U.S. issue or Timbuktu's. What I'm saying is that you can not change the nature of the sport which is people shooting at other people(don't use the word tag because it's not) with guns (markers to most are of the magic variety). What you're saying is, "Hey at least we're shooting each other in bright clothes." If the militias start wearing JT's do we have to go back to camo or will we wear tin foil?

[DIRTY HARRY]

and another thing....... Everyone should be a good citizen, everyone should extol the virtues of the sport, accentuating the safety measures and the FUN of it, pick up their messes and so on. They don't, however, have to LOOK any certian way. It's funny how now that paintball is getting to be a big money maker no one wants to rock it's boat. Your average paintball dealership don't care if you wear diapers out on the field but they'll make a few more bucks if you buy some Destroyer pants and a Premier jersey(both of which I own lest you think I'm bashing JT)Be yourself and have fun. Wear a smile.

[DasBaldDog]

Hmmm....if paintball is training people how to kill, then we SERIOUSLY need to get rid of using our cars to get to fields cause the Army uses those too. Everyday on the way to work, I'm learning how to drive to kill people. lol. There is no way in hades they will EVERY ban paintball here in the us. Anything even slightly gun related is here to stay. Hell, the NRA won't even let them decide a regulation on gun locks. We are well protected by the constitution.

This view may be naive but look at it this way, it's like the storm cellar you built. You may never have to use it and if you do, you may doubt it's ability to work but it's still a better option than sitting around worrying about the storm.

[Mad Ogre]

Whatever.

[dawgs712]

the only time someone will see you wearing yur camo (unless you wear it in the street which is messed up) is at the field. if they are at a field, i dont think we need to worry about their view of paintball. also i have seen pics of tourneys and been in 2 and most people that finish at the top dont have camo, and i play in the woods. i dont think its necessary

[DasBaldDog]

Well that's certainly not a winner's attitude. You have to go and think, then come back and blast my theory with everything you got!

[DIRTY HARRY]

Originally posted by Mad Ogre
Whatever. Come on, you send a well written, obiously thought out reply to this thread that gets a few dissenting views and that's the best you've got?

[DIRTY HARRY]

Originally posted by dawgs712
the only time someone will see you wearing yur camo (unless you wear it in the street which is messed up) is at the field. if they are at a field, i dont think we need to worry about their view of paintball. also i have seen pics of tourneys and been in 2 and most people that finish at the top dont have camo, and i play in the woods. i dont think its necessary Just as camo is not necessary to paintball so are bright jerseys. We're talking about choice here and to say someone shouldn't wear something is ludicrous and downright elitest.

[DasBaldDog]

I wear solid black most of the time. Hmmmm.... that ties me in with Concubine.....that's not it....Columbine...that's it. People need to seriously just sit back and chill. If the world truely is going down the drain, then stop worrying, sit back and get yourself some good seats.

[DIRTY HARRY]

lol. Leave it to us to make a serious social situation out of this game. I'm just sayin' if you're going to go to bat for paintball, go to bat for all of paintball and all paintballers. 6 milion people can't all be wearing jerseys, nor should they be.

[Predator]

I mainly play woods ball, and I would be the first to be shot if I was out there looking like the Pink Panther! I like wearing camo. For one thing, I don't care if it gets dirty. They are relatively cheap to buy, so if they get torn, or stained, then no problem.

I do have a funny story though. A friend of mine took some boy scouts up in the hills to play some paintball. They had all the camie going on. Well, somebody on a four wheeler came riding by, and my buddy noticed that the people on the four wheeler were really eye-balling them. About 30 minutes after the people on the four wheeler left, a sheriff came by to see what was going on. I guess the people on the four wheeler were concerned about a bunch of gun-totin' people in camo were running around the woods.

Once the sherrif knew what they were doing, he didn't care. So I guess you can look at this from both sides. From a public standpoint, people might think your a bunch of militia men running around the back country if they don't know what your really doing. But, it seems to me that once they know what your doing, they're fine with it.

From the players standpoint, you have to wear what's most comfortable for you. If jersey's are your thing, and you like the neon colors and whatnot, then great. If you like wearing BDU's and getting all camied up, then that's fine too.

For me, I like wearing camo and will continue to do so. It works for the kind of playing I do, and I don't mind if they get dirty.

[ockey]

Go GHILLIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are the best and if you make a good one people will step on you before theey see you.

[Magnus55]

Yeah lol. If we all wore ghillie suits, people driving by wouldn't ever see us.

I think part of the appeal of paintball IS the military-like environment. In what other sport do you get to run around shooting people while wearing camo? This part of the reason why I like it. As for jerseys, it is how you play, not how you look that determines the quality of the player.

[Pookister569]

i have no idea what mad ogre was talking about when he said that ppl are turned away from paintball because of the U.S. camo. i have U.S. BDU's and i didn't get them to look like a bad *** or something. the only reason i got them is because they are good for paintball. i don't want to were something bright in the woods, might as well just say "hey! look at me!" so anyway, like a lot of the ppl said, just wear whatever you like. if you don't like ppl wearing U.S. camo, then just don't wear them, and if you like wearing pb jerseys then go crazy.

[Echo3]

Um, get army surplus camo. I got a light jacket there for like $5. Works great. Don't really care what anyone else says.

[Paint Bulley]

I have a camo jacket I wear. But for pants I just wear jeans. I wouldn't mind camo pants, but I wouldn't buy them for paintball,
I would buy them for hide and seek (i love that game).
I wear jeans.

You can try http://www.sportsmansguide.com for camo. or dirtcheap.com.

Where I play hide and seek. I would bet money nobody unless they had bloodhounds could find me.

[Pookister569]

you would buy them for hide and seek? boo ya. that game is the best. hehe

[skippy8]

Originally posted by Echo3
Um, get army surplus camo. I got a light jacket there for like $5. Works great. Don't really care what anyone else says.
Its not light its a freakin flak jacket!

[Mad Ogre]

I'm so pleased you dont care what other people think...

Look - I'm trying to get this sport on TV... That might not mean anything to you but this is a far cry from my city trying to BAN paintball altogether like a couple years ago... We are making progress and we have to go careful.

Image is wether you choose to admit it or not a part of it.
Jerseys and the growing popularity of them as helped more than people realize.
Look - you play on a baseball team - you wear a uniform.
You play on a Football team - you wear a uniform.
You play on a paintball team and you wear a uniform. Get it? Paintball is a SPORT.

I've sat in on meetings where this sport has been discussed.
One one hand you have the SPORT players, wearing uniforms...
There was a photo of a team playing speed ball... That was acceptable. Another photo of a different team - they had on military cammo... the attitude was completely different.
Why? One group looked like a team playig a sport and the other team (These guys were actually playing eachother) looked like people playing at killing eachother.

Now, guys, listen - I enjoy recball... Outlaw Paintball... I love it. I'm just saying that to people who dont know paintball - it gives a different perception to the Soccer Mom types. If you have Army cammo - fine. If you are about to buy some cammo - There are other patterns you can use that are actually BETTER CAMMO than the US ARMY style... Buy the other stuff. There are PLENTY of cammo types out there. Giving that Militia look is something that we should avoid.

My TV project is progressing nicely... If you have cable tv in Utah... There just might be something good on TV. :D

[DIRTY HARRY]

You're losing me on this whole US Army camo pattern thing. On one hand you're talking about peoples perceptions then you say if you have to, wear something other than US Army camo. Well with of those peoples perceptions come misconceptions, one of them being that anyone in ANY camo is militia like. Joe Public couldn't tell you woodland from tiger stripe, so the type you wear is really inconsequential considering people are so short sighted. Another thing you have'nt addressed is price. Lot's of little kids these days spend all their cash on a marker and paint. Should they go get a "uniform" for another $100, or wear camos for a fraction of that?
Is it safe to assume that your tv show will not be covering scenario games, big games and your everyday walk on games because of their attire?

[Mad Ogre]

I'm saying that at all... You dont actually read everything do you?

People recognize the US Military cammo as what it is. "Hunter" cammo is differnet and they dont make the automatic association with the Military or Militias or killing people. Perceptions are almost never logical. I'm not going to go on about that - its just the way it is. You can dislike that all you want but it is fact.

I saw RealTree brand cammo shirts for sale for only 12 bucks. $12 isnt going to break anyone and it is actually better camoflage than the Army style.
Let me say that again - REALTREE is BETTER.
I've worn both... there is a difference... The Realtree actually gives you an edge. (but you dont like that idea... I dont get that) One advantage Realtree gives you is that it offers a lot of different patterns. You can actually get cammo SPECIFICALLY for the area your playing in... and the SEASON your playing in! This is why Marine Recon and US Army Rangers train scout snipers to alter the cammo they wear to the area... We used to spend a few extra minutes at the OBJ Rally Points to make these adjustments to our cammo... so we can blend in better. Its that important.

You dont have to spend a lot of money - just be smart about the money that you do spend.


Cool icon btw...

[Mad Ogre]

No - I dont work for Realtree - and there are other brands out there that do the same thing.... all good.

[DIRTY HARRY]

Wait a second, now it's ok if we run around the wood's shooting each other as long as we have hunter's camo or real tree on? People know the difference? You must live either on a military base or in a tree stand because you're out of touch. Average people see camo, not what kind it is. I'll bet the people in the milita don't even discriminate what camo you're wearing. Plus, why would it be better to look like hunters? Don't they hang around the woods shooting and killing thing's? I thought that's what you're so against.

[DIRTY HARRY]

Originally posted by Mad Ogre
No - I dont work for Realtree - and there are other brands out there that do the same thing.... all good. I'm not arguing this point cause you're right. Almost any other camo is better than woodland, except maybe urban. Your first point was that camo is bad for our image. Then that became US military camo is bad and others are ok. I don't think most people could differentiate between most of them.

[Predator]

This is a fun argument. So since the people on the show "Bootcamp" are wearing Tiger Strip camo, does that mean that paintballers shouldn't wear tiger strip because people will think we're military? How about military personel that use paintball guns as part of their training. Does that tarnish our image?

The whole concept behind paintball is shooting people with a gun. Granted, the gun isn't discharging bullets, but your stilling shooting a projectile at someone. I don't think it's the clothing that's going to improve our image. Just the nature of paintball itself (guns - shooting at people, tactics like hiding, flanking, bunkering) will make people think it's military in nature. It's funny how paintball uses some of the same terms used in combat (i.e. flank, bunker). Should we start using other terms in our paintball talk so that it doesn't sound military?

If you want to improve our image, you need to think outside the box of just what we wear. You need to change everything about paintball that makes it fun, so other people will accept it. It isn't going to happen.

[DIRTY HARRY]

That's what I'm trying to get across here. It shouldn't be how you look, it should be how you handle yourself. Look at some of our pro teams, the most recognizable people in the sport. Swearing at each other, throwing tantrums on the field, fighting with the refs, the other teams and each other. Here they are all decked out in bright colors with nice shiny markers, the best chance of getting airtime of any paintballers. Would you want them on tv or a safe, organized game with people in camo who act civily towards the other team, the refs and the crowd?

[Mad Ogre]

"It shouldn't be how you look, it should be how you handle yourself."

I agree - It SHOULD BE. Thats called "Perfect World". But we have VIDEO clips and sound bites and ignorant Liberal newscasters who if they think they can capitialize on making something look bad, they will. We also have a nation full of media-feed sheep that do not know how to think for themselves. IMAGE is just as important as your actions.

I really wish that a person's actions was all that mattered... That a person was innocent until proven guilty... that the Constitution was the governing document of this country... That it didn't matter what you look like.
But we dont live in that country anymore. We live in a country where a single complaint from an old lady will send a Tacticle Response Team to your door... Where you have to prove in court your innocence instead of the prosecutor having to prove your guilt. Where town meetings are no better than 18th century new england Witch Trials. Where Political Correctness rules over Right and Wrong.

Take some pictures of HUNTERS and SOLDIERS and people DO know the difference. Take pictures of guys whereing hunting pattersn and military patterns and there is a kneejerk reaction there - an automatic response. And for the majority of the people out there - its a negative response.

You can argue that all you want - but your not going to change that fact. People believe the news. People don't care if they have misconceptions.

You dont have to believe me Dirty Harry - I dont even care if you do or dont. I've only continued to respond because I dont want someone to think I'll back out of a debate - but since all we are doing is repeating our selves I think this has become pointless.

[DIRTY HARRY]

Well then we agree to disagree. I know where you're coming from don't think I don't. This discussion has most definately run it's course (a couple of times over). Good luck with your tv show, I truly hope that gets off the ground. Peace out.

[elTwitcho]

You guys are seriously stupid if you dont think our image doesnt matter. I'm sorry to have to put it that way, but it's true. Look at lazertag, fundamentally the same game as paintball, you shoot people, and in lazertag, the guns are called guns, not markers, and when you eliminate someone, it's called a kill. But they dont wear camoflauge, and as such they dont have a militaristic look. When was the last time you ever heard a school shooting blamed on lazertag? When was the last time you heard anyone try and ban lazertag? They are fundamentally the same arent they? You're trying to shoot someone in both, so what's the difference?

[DIRTY HARRY]

I'm not getting into it with you too but tell me where in this thread the words "image doesn't matter" appear? We were arguing over camo patterns by the end here so we kind of lost track of the main topic. We both agreed that image mattered, my point was it goes beyond the clothes you wear when you're playing. It seems all the tourney players would like nothing better than to have the woods emptied of rec players so they can say "Hey look at us ESPN!! No more camo!! Can we be on tv now?" I play tourney ball and wear JT gear but I'll be damned if anyone is gonna tell the scenario players that their games and their attire aren't wanted in this sport. They play the sport the way it began and I can respect that. Speedball hasn't changed the fact that you do the same thing they do, shoot people with a gun. The more you deny this the more ignorant you sound but like I said, I'm not going to get into it with you.

[DIRTY HARRY]

I can't argue this topic anymore. My head hurts and I think there's a tumor in my eye. I retire from this thread. Thank you and goodnight.

[Mad Ogre]

Wow - what a way to end the debate Dirty Harry...

I'm impressed.

[elTwitcho]

Yeah there's only one problem with that argument








YOU DONT SHOOT PEOPLE WITH A GUN. YOU HIT THEM WITH GELATIN CAPSULES!!! what sport have you been playing all this time? Is baseball practicing throwing hand grenades? Is race car driving practice for running from the cops? 5K jogging practice for being stranded behind enemy lines and having to return with the antidote before the biological warhead detonates? Sure the mechanics are the same, but you're not shooting people with guns, you're marking them with gel capsules fired from pnuematic cattle markers.

[Halliday]

I wear black cargo pants and a $12 Advantage Timber long-sleeve shirt I bought at Wal-Mart.

[DIRTY HARRY]

Good thing I retired from this thread or else I would've said...there's a flaw in your arguement. By your justification wouldn't shooting someone with a real gun just be a way of inserting a lead pellet by means of gunpowder populsion launched from a hand held steel tube? The mechanics are the same but wording something differently does not change it's nature.
Newbie: El Twitcho, what are you doing?
El Twitcho: Getting ready to play paintball.
Newbie: Oh yeah, how is that played?
El Twitcho: Well if you must know, stupid newbie, we use pnumatic cattle markers to propel gel capsules that mark people.
Newbie: Cattle marker? You mark cows?
El Twitcho(now starting to actually twitch): No! We mark each other.
Newbie: How do you do that?
El Twitcho: I told you, we fire gel capsules at...
Newbie: You shoot at each other.
El Twitcho: No, no, no! We mark each other!
Newbie: Yeah by shooting each other with the cow gun, I get it.
El Twitcho: Don't call it a gun.
Newbie: Why not?
El Twitcho: The futre of the sport depends on it.
Newbie: The future of the sport depends on saying cattle marker?
El Twitcho: Yes.
Newbie: So you're ashamed of it?
El Twitcho: What do you mean?
Newbie: Well you can't call it what it is, so you must feel guilty or be ashamed of it.
El Twitcho: Must...kill...newbie...
Newbie: Well I'm gonna go use my foot propeled wooden plank with wheels down at the skate park. Get that twitch looked at. I think they got medication for that.

[Edited by DIRTY HARRY on 05-21-2001 at 08:04 AM]

[DIRTY HARRY]

It just occured to me that you might have been joking. If so I retract my statement and re-retire.

[Magnus55]

I think this has gotten a bit off track..lets just leave it as this: People see what they want to see, the only way to give them a wider perspective on things is through enlightenment...no, I'm not talking about religion, I'm talking about going out there and educating people on what the sport is about. When we play and how we act in our everyday lives will reflect on paintball. So go out there and be good people and do good things. Then the good feedback will follow.

[ghosthunter]

i just want to say that i agree with whoever said that people can definitly seperate the hunting camo and the military camo quite easily

[DasBaldDog]

*Does a little dance to impress the people on this thread*
*A Tango or Cha Cha perhaps*

[Magnus55]

The arguement is not if people are able to distinguish between different types of camo; it's about how image afects paintball. Frankly, people will always find ways to be prejudice towards paintball, if not the camo, then the guns we use, or the fact that we are learning war tactics, or how paintballs may not be environmentally friendly or how about how we all become masochistic satanists from inflicting pain uppon each other? When will it end? People will always have conflicting views, that is what distuinguishes people as people, when you try to change those views, that people have developed through their own experiences, then they become argumentitive because it is as if you are trying to change them as a whole. Why can't we agree to disagree?
-So camo may be bad for the sport, but perhaps that is a part of what draws people to the soprt in the first place.
-There are different types of camo, some people can tell the difference, others can't.
-Wearing a jersey may not make a person a better player, but perhaps it helps a player feel confident and play better.

[Warner]

I do wear US ARMY camo but I understand where Mad Ogre is coming from. What mom is going to let her son (or daughter, especially daughter) run around shooting other people when we look like a bunch of Texan Revolutionaries?

While this military aspect is appealing to some people, the tournament circuit has definitely shied away from this image. They are trying to make this look more like a game then hunting.

Any kid though that is trying to influence his parents into letting them play should buy/borrow a magazine that has one of those new to paintball pieces and have their parents read it.

[Warner]

WOOO!!

I completely missed the second page.

Image does affect the way people consider the sport. No its not right. No the world is not perfect. Yes first impressions are everything.

Lol, I always forget that paintball guns were originally to mark cattle. Think i'm gonna go change Paintball Guns to Cattle Markers on my site. :)

[bruboy720]

If I were you i would go to ebay and look, I got a full camo-suit for $9.99, now tell me that isnt a steal...
P.S. Ebay has all the best paintball stuff, for the right price. Always look on Ebay before the regular sites because most dealers sell their supplies for alot cheaper than their store.

[green_goblin]

You can get some good hunting camo from http://www.cabelas.com