Newbies and Cockers

[PB ninja]

I just felt like venting a little bit on those people (everyone knows them) who go out and drop 500, 600, 700+ on a brand new, shiny, custom anodized, tricked out Cocker for their very first time paintballing. I was playing with such a guy a couple of weeks ago, and sure everyone else (we're all Spyder owners) was ooing and aahing as he bragged that his gun was operating at just under 200 psi. Come game time , however, he was first out almost every game. In fact his girlfreind (also very green) had a more succesfull day then he did, HAH! I guess it just irks me to someone so inexperienced to have such a fine piece of paint propelling technology. If I had that gun I would love it like a wife, newbies should start with newbie guns. There is a lot that a Tigershark can teach you about aim not to mention gun maintenence. It's really pathetic to have to take your gun to a proshop every time it has a glitch but what else is a newbie gonna do with a Cocker or a Mag or any other high end gun for that manner? I know every part of my Spyder by name (never mind that there are only about 50 of them) and I take a certain measure of pride in that. Well I'm sorry for the long, disjointed, and somewhat grizzled post and I'm sorry if I offended any wallet heavy newbies but...You know how I feel.

[Keikan]

I have had a newbie gun for like 2 years, I just recently started playing alot (now that I have money.. and time) and the stingray2 just was not cutting it, even for rec play. I decided that If I were to buy a new gun I would invest In nice gun which could be customized, upgraded, and was consistant.

I did alot of research and decided on the Autococker.

[Phaelon Veritas]

ahhh it's ok we all loathe for something new that we wish we had heheheheh I myself wanted a mini mag real bad and can't wait til I have the money saved up to by one but hell I know I will appreciate it more when I get it cause I had to pay for it oughta pocket and it will have been worth the wait ya know?

[Keikan]

I had to pay out of my pocket too :/ I beleive I found a nice deal on the gun I wanted though...

[ptflyer]

so are you saying anyone that is new at anything and has money..shouldn't be able to buy what he wants???......SO...in other words..if you just get your drivers lic. and daddy just bought you a brand new mustang, you wouldn't drive it......

YOU SURE WOULD....(and so would I have...if I was that lucky..but I wasn't)

just remember a newbies cocker is just your used one waiting to be put up for sale on e-bay..because that newbie blames his marker on his not being successful..and the reason he doesn't play any more..

Just my thoughts...right or wrong...

[Auctionjunkie!]

No offense intended PB Ninja, but it sounds like you are jealous. In most any activity there will always be those who start with high end equipment. It may be that his friends have 'Cockers and that's where he gets the most support. It may also be that he always wanted a 'Cocker and since he was just getting into the sport he was gonna get what he always wanted. Or he could just be a squid. I do know that one effect he probabaly wanted to happen did come through; everyone oohh'd and aww'd over it. In all reality don't we all want that?
I sell lots of guns to lots of new players. I try to steer tham away from the 'Cockers, Mags and Angels. I steer them toward the entry level guns like the 98's, Spyders and Piranha's.
I hope I didn't offend you but I still feel you were simply jealous.
Dan
Manager, Team Wiseguys

[elTwitcho]

I see it sorta different. The other weekend I was playing with a guy who was asking me if buying a new barrel was a good idea. This guy had no clue whatsoever. I asked how long he'd been playing and he told me it was his first time out on the field. What marker was this fellow using? A 2000 cocker with pure energy nitro system, 12vt revy and a nice set of spectras. A guy who'd never played before had all of this, and he bought it because paintball looked really fun. Did I think he was a jack@ss for getting all this stuff? No. This guy was about 30 years old, a machinist, and when i asked where he got the money, he said he'd just saved it for a while. Who cares that he's never played before, he's obviously worked hard to get what he's using. I gave him some advice on barrels, and where to find people who could show him how to maintain his cocker, and I'm glad for it. He didnt run around flaunting his setup, and he obviously earned it, so I just decided why not welcome the guy to the sport, it's one more player on the field for next weekend. But... on the flipside, I saw a 13 year old with an evolution cocker. I'm sure you all know the type, 1600 marker, JT IZE system, JT jersey, JT cargo pants, Ronin gear 8+1, buys a full case of paint when he plays, and has a boomstick that just sits in his gear bag. This is what pisses me off, when people get expensive markers THAT THEY HAVENT EARNED. If mommy and daddy will drop 2 and a half thou just because little jimmy wants to play paintball and show off his gear, that drives me nuts. But a guy who's taken money out of his own paycheck, and decided to get a good setup to join this great sport of ours, cut the guy some slack, he's got just as much right to be there as you or I

[PB ninja]

First of all, Keikan, I don't even know who you are so this thread is most definently not directed at you. Anyway you said you had a Stinger for 2 years before you got your Cocker. My point is not that newbies shouldn't have nice stuff it's that they get it for all the wrong reasons. Recently the paintball bug hit a group of about 6 of my brother,s freinds and it became very fashionable to own a gun so they all went out and bought identical TL+ packages and every single one of them within a week had realized how bad they had been ripped off by the proshop owner who could obviously see their motivations for buying all this stuff and, milked every penny out of them (TL+, tank, hopper, elbow, Spectra, 4+1, and a case of paint all for just 400$). I'm not saying that newbies shouldn't get nice **** but to use Ptflyer's analogy: if a 16 year old gets a brand new Mustang for his first car yeah he has a Mustang but he'll be damned if he knows how to get the most out of it. On the other hand if he spent 3 years trying to keep a dying Gremlin alive when he finally gets that Mustang not only will it be so much sweeter but he'll know how to make it purr like a kitten... strike that we're talking 'bout a Mustang here, he could make it growl like a lion.:D
Oh yeah, and of course I'm jealous but not simply jealous.


[Edited by PB ninja on 01-18-2001 at 02:12 PM]

[TLplus84]

eh...i got a new Prelude (stick) for my first car and i'm 16...and I push this car to the limits...althouh i do agree with ou on the theing about paintball guns..

[Jordan]

Originally posted by PB ninja
First of all, Keikan, I don't even know who you are so this thread is most definently not directed at you

who cares if u dont know him he still has a right to respond!

if i was a newbie and i was rich hell yeah i'd get a damn autococker or shocker why should you get pissed off just because i own a better peice of equipment thatn u. u should be happy that u have your marker and do everything to make it look nice.

[Edited by PB ninja on 01-18-2001 at 02:12 PM]

[Jordan]

whoops didnt mean 2 put everything in quote

[Freakazoid]

Ahhh...It could be me, but I think you missed his point. He was trying to say that newbies get good guns so they can show it all off...and...suck majorly in a game. First gun I had was stingray 2. I had money for a compact but I didn't want it yet. Then I got a Compact Java Edition after that, and yet, stingray 2 did help me to understand the basics. But if you have money, and it's yours, sure go ahead and get a cocker, just make sure you know how to maintain it, that's what stingray did for me, gave me the basic understanding of maintaining a gun..
No offense to anyone...just giving my opinion

[Edited by Freakazoid on 01-18-2001 at 04:31 PM]

[TLplus84]

five bucks sez you hand a new cocker to a nwebie...he'll mess the gun up majorly by trying to time the gun...and he'll kill the pneumatics..

[ElectricHead]

thats what i think, i think cocky newbs get these nice guns, feel invincible, go to the field and get their asses kicked a few rounds, decide to forget the paintball gun, or they think it needs upgrades so the upgrade it to death mess up the timing then really **** it up

[PB ninja]

Jordan you moron read the thread before you get your panties in a bunch. The subject of Keikans first reply was "assuming that's directed at me" I was just telling him it wasn't, sheesh:P. At least some people saw my point, I certainly wasn't implying that a newbie with a Cocker has anything wrong him. I just don't think it's smart to jump in the deep end before you can swim.

[TLplus84]

they deserve what the get...not the gear..them messing their guns up....i think they should get a gun that'll take abuse..i.e. the Compact 2k. That way..they can mess around with it and not have to worry about timing and stuff like that..

[ElectricHead]

hmmm im going to have to agree, for once its my turn to tell someone esle to lighten up

[Keikan]

I have a cocker Because I realize its a good gun, And definantly need all the advice I can get on it :/. I dont have the cocker to brag about it, If I wanted to then perhaps Ide go spend money and get it Milled.

Hell my gun came today, the trigger timing was way off and wouldnt recock, I tried to fix it and made things worse :) So I took it to a paintball shop and had a guy fix the timing and my mishap for 10 bucks..

But if anyone knows a good page I can goto With information on maintaining the cocker plz post it here, I know Ill need it Soon :)

[Watupi]

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~rchopra/Articles/AutocockerInfosheet/ACTroub.html#3

If that works, it should take you to Ravi Chopra's cocker page.

[lssbug]

first of all i am a newby so excuse my ignorence, but
i don't see the difference if some one has the money,
if they earned it or its given to the by mommy( i wish)
they have to learn with a marker High end or not most likely
they will screw it sometime. so if they have the money for the proshop to fix it let them sooner or later they will learn for themselves how to keep it working good.
and in the mean time they are keeping the pro shop in buisiness.........just my opinion

[Keikan]

thx watupi

[zombie master]

if you young guys just took five min to learn how to read up on something like a computer or a cocker you would no nothing in this world is hard to learn if you show intrest

[ElectricHead]

whaT ARE YOU Ttalking aobut??

[zombie master]

see thats what i mean if you read the crap people always say about how hard it is to fix cockers and how newbies need to go to pro shops you would now what im talking about think about it if more of the people on this site would read up on things they wouldnt always have to ask the same questions all the time . and the ones who think they no it all wouldnt always talk out there @!$

[Angst]

Damn, I’m 16 and I don't even have my permit yet, maybe I'm just lazy hmmm… oh right yes cockers should only be placed in the hands of experienced player who know how to lubricate them properly.

But seriously guys let the baby have his bottle to cling to. Some people are always going to believe having the best gear makes you the best player. And you shouldn’t get angry with those who have good gear and never played. What if no one was there to tell them what’s good, what’s bad? What proper to start with etc. Besides don’t feel sorry for *******s that blow money on something they’re never going to use, and instead like forward to the prophecy that someday you might purchase that gun on eBay for a price you could easily afford to pay

[zombie master]

i was older than that before i started to drive. and cockers can be in any ones hands i just got one and im a so called newbie. and in less than a few hours i could take the gun apart and put it back together eyes closed all because i read about it .im not try ing to start a fight but when i hear a bunch of jealous kids say new comers shouldnt buy high end guns because they dont have enough expereance . i feel that is being ignorent just like me calling you guys kids you dont like that . and i dont like it when people run there mouthes about things they dont understand when they could learn about what they are trying to tell others so easy and not have to lie (bs) all the time . by the way its not just young people that do this adults are guilty too

hope i dont offend anyone im not talking spacifically about anybody

[Dman]

I guess when I couldn't afford to buy good markers I looked at things differently. I just said to myself that I would have a gun like that someday.....and when I do I will apprietiate it a lot more than that punk...because I worked my *** off for it. I thought the same thing when I was sixteen and someone would get that new mustang. Was I jealous....YES. Do I hate them for it....NO. The first gun I had was a Splatmaster...and then an old Stingray I. Not cadilacs...but they shot paintballs and I have great memories of them. Just like I still look back fondly on my 1984 Murk Lynx Diesel I bought for 300 in High School. You cherish the hard times once they are gone. You sometimes have more fun overcoming the adversity...and you become a better player/person for it.

[PB ninja]

Hahahaha! what a heated debate! First of all let me say that if zombie master calls me a kid again I'll slap him upside his avatars head. Anyone who makes assumptions like he did based on a paintball forum should take time to rethink who's talking out of who's ***. It seems like every time I post on this thread I just end up clarifying my original post so here it goes. #1 of course I am jealous of people with Cockers 'cause they're really nice guns. But I am neither disproportianatly (sp?) jealous of newbies vs. pros with cockers, or jealous enough of anyone to post a thread like this on the subject. What prompted me to start this thread was not newbies with cockers but newbies who buy cockers for their first gun without even looking into the ramifications and responsibilities that come with taking care of one. It is definently true that, to anyone willing to look for it, there is a wealth of information on whatever gun you own. BUT the type of people I have the afore stated problem with don't buy the gun with the mindset to do that kind of research. Furthermore, it is my belief that learning about paintball ball guns by dealing with problems that arise in the feild rather then hunched over your monitor; this kind of knowledge could be frustrating and expensive to someone who has a Cocker for their first gun. #2 as stated in the previous sentence and in all of my previous posts in this thread I refer to cockers as FIRST guns. People need to quit getting defensive about it and then telling me about their previous guns. If you had previous guns this post does not refer to you. Like I said earlier take time to actually think about what I wrote before "running your mouth" (if that's at all possible on a computer;))
Peace

[MeWrOq]

A few weeks ago, a kid 11 or 12 years old was at my field with an angel and a boomstick. He was saying that he had been playing for 3 years and he had never been hit! All of us laughed at him but he insisted that he was telling us the truth. The next game 4 of us made him our primary target, we hit him in the chest and goggles. He started complaining then he went home.

[ElectricHead]

LOL!!!! What a little moron!!! There is no way he deserves a angel and a boomstick!!!

[PB ninja]

That kid would have been since he was like 8 years old if he'd been playing for 3 years, that's hillarious:D! It's good you taught him a lesson. What's a kid that young doing with an Angel anyway?

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by ElectricHead
LOL!!!! What a little moron!!! There is no way he deserves a angel and a boomstick!!!

Now who is to say who deserves to own what gun? Thats like saying someone does not deserve the cloths they wear, people they are friends with, car, ect.

[PB ninja]

I think there's a safety concern in that situation. The kid was obviously not acting responsibly (lying about his experience), he could hurt someone with that gun.

[MeWrOq]

Originally posted by PB ninja
What's a kid that young doing with an Angel anyway?

I saw the kids dad, he had a nice gun too. Im guessing that he gave it to him.

[PB ninja]

That would explain it, but I still don't agree with it. Rather then go on and on about it;) i'll just refer readers to BBT paintball. Go to guns then to Autocockers, right next to the 2K autococker there is actually a warning that illusrates my point.

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by PB ninja
That would explain it, but I still don't agree with it. Rather then go on and on about it;) i'll just refer readers to BBT paintball. Go to guns then to Autocockers, right next to the 2K autococker there is actually a warning that illusrates my point.

Now that is just BS to put a freakin' warning next to the gun. It's not like it is rocket science to fix an autococker, you don't even have to be mechanically inclined. It is about as hard to time an autococker as it is to change to oil in a car, except cleaner to time the a/c.

[Richy_C]

i am really against newbies getting super guns. expeirianced players that own spyders and can't afford much more ::cough:: me ::cough:: deserve those guns,

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Richy_C
i am really against newbies getting super guns. expeirianced players that own spyders and can't afford much more ::cough:: me ::cough:: deserve those guns,

Just because someone with less experience can afford a more expensive gun then you doesn't mean you have to hate them. Does it bug my when I see someone who has played for 6 months or less and has a C&C Autococker, when it took me over 5 years to get my cocker? Yes. Do I think they don't deserve it? No. No one can say who deserves a gun.

[Richy_C]

i never said i hated them it's just they are so spoiled if they are kids, and if they are adults they better know some people or they are being wierd

[elTwitcho]

Well, I think a newbie shouldnt get a high end gun for once reason, newbies should not have that kind of firepower. It is a common newbie mistake to see these kids with their rentals literally dumping their full hopper at a bunker wall that a guy is behind but isnt showing anything that guy could possibly hit. These rental guns are model 83s, with a ROF of maybe... 4 bps. Now, do we really want sir wastepaintalot to have an angel in his hands? I just dont think that these people are ready to use the power of a high end gun responsibly. Safety is a big issue in paintball, and this is bad for safety. And yes, I know alot of people with high end guns shoot alot of paint, but the majority dont, and very few people with electros light people up, like newbies have a tendency to do.

[Richy_C]

eh, close enuff

[ptflyer]

I say...so what the newbie has a cocker...if I knew then what I know now...I would have had a cocker for my first marker....it will be my next...but just think that same newbie in a year...will be more experienced..and won't have to move up to a higher end marker...which in the long run is probably cheeper..than doing what I did..get a spyder...spent a lot of money upgrading...only to later sell for a lot less than I put into it....to offset the cost of the cocker...

and if he isn't playing anymore in a year...think he will give me a good deal on his cocker???.....hahaha

[PB ninja]

Thank you elTwitcho, it would only take 3 seconds for some ******* newbie with an Angel to put 40 welts all over you. That just isn't safe.

[Richy_C]

that is unless they don't take out your eyes because they forgot the damn barrel plug