Why does paintball cost so much $? [Archive]

werty7373

06-12-2002, 12:42 PM

i agree we have to pay the prices but y are they so high? cant they bring them down? i was reading a article in pb2x about a amature or pro team where it's member s are always in debt because of paint entry fees equip etc. it's an outrage. im gonna have to buy a case of paint soon plus fill my co2 bottles thats about 60-70 dollars. One of the main reasons i cant get into tournemant play is because of the money. 90 dollars for a case of paint?????? plus entry fee at least 1 case a game for a 3 man and most of the times the prize package doesnt even come close to covering the other expenses well the tournament producers walk away with at least a couple thousand. at skyball it brang in 100 grand (dont no if that is after expenses) 20-30 is a good price for a case for lets say pmi premiun (thats what i shoot for 55 a case)

automagdude

06-12-2002, 12:50 PM

i know why paintball cost sooo much because other sport you just need a ball. like soccer all you need is a ball and a field. With paintball you need to kept buying paintballs to play when you run out of paint you can't play. that is the only thing that i think makes me mad. That is why i hate buying field paint. You buy 10 bucks and then you have to give them more grrrrrrr. I love fields that you can bring in your own paint but i can't find any.

weefek

06-12-2002, 12:53 PM

approx $0.05 a ball (CDN) where i buy it. it probably costs them $0.001 to make.

Dr. Isotope

06-12-2002, 02:07 PM

Paintball is expensive. That's just the way it is. If it's too much of a burden, take up a sport that doesn't require regular cash inflow, like soccer (you need what, a ball?) or billiards. Once you get your cue, you're set. ;)

And no more whining about "expensive paint". Back in the days, it was $8-9 per hundred, stained everything, and blew up in the gun (pump guns mind you) all the damn time.

And another thing (who didn't see this coming) you don't have to have $1000 gear. Guys play with bone stock Spyders and still have a good time.

So to the "Eew, it's so expensive" crowd... :sleep:

F.O.D.

06-12-2002, 02:18 PM

when you think about it prices now are the lowest in 25 years! back then (10 years ago) the lowest priced semi auto was $200 now, you can get that same marker for 20 bucks(at walmart:D ) and no, I think it was about 2 dollers for 10 balls. Prices have droped dramatically over the past few years but they still are expensive. You also have to remember that paintball companys aren't major corporations like take ford for instance. Paintball only has 7 million customers, Ford has what?100's of millions. Because paintball is such a small community the companys can't drop their prices that much because they don't sell to nearly enough people to drop them. The sport has grown drastically in the past few years, and with that, prices for markers and paintballs droped too. If paintball ever gets to be as big as a company like Ford, the prices will get very low

werty7373

06-12-2002, 03:21 PM

yeah it is so cheap that some teams are having money problems top teams mind you respectable teams

AK47

06-12-2002, 03:23 PM

I guess with the precise markers it costs alot to make

SpyderElite

06-12-2002, 03:30 PM

I also agree that paintball costs waaaaaay too much. It's worse for me though because im 13 years old and can't get a job to pay for balls and co2. Once I run out of money I can't play anymore and have to wait for my birthday or x-mas for money.

hmm

06-12-2002, 05:12 PM

I have a job. Hahahaha. $7.00/hr.... ****....

DeFauLt

06-12-2002, 05:32 PM

i have a job too.. only 4.00 an hour. i know it's below minimum but i work for my parents who own a buisiness. sucks for all the other people i play with. but there is one kid who's dad buys him EVERYTIHNG he can ever want. he still sucks though.

automagdude

06-12-2002, 07:07 PM

there is one kid who's dad buys him EVERYTIHNG he can ever want. he still sucks though

same here duuuuude. couldn't say it better

DeFauLt

06-12-2002, 07:22 PM

he just got a tko mag not even a week ago and he already bought a freak and a rt valve. cant shoot for sh*t though.

halB

06-12-2002, 07:46 PM

i would like to point out at this time there are between only around 5 machines in the us capable of making paintballs, yet there are more companies than that selling paint. curious..... also they charge that much because big greedy heartless multibillion dollar corporations need to make money too. the cost is whats keeping our sport from becoming more expensive. i almost didnt start playing because as my dad was complaining bout the price of paint, some guy said, ya this is the most expensive sport in the world. and u know what, he pretty much is right. even scuba diving isnt as expensive.

Xtra_long_balls

06-12-2002, 07:54 PM

I pay 60 for a case of blaze.....4.25 to fill my 16oz, nowhere in 70mi to get a nitro fill. Paintball is expensive, TrUeMaNsHoW90
put it well. Part of the reason why paintball is so expensive is because it's so addicting. They know that you will pay the high prices cuz you can't stand not to play. I also agree that paintball costs waaaaaay too much. It's worse for me though because im 13 years old and can't get a job to pay for balls and co2. Once I run out of money I can't play anymore and have to wait for my birthday or x-mas for money.
Mow lawns, babysit, do oddjobs. Do anything for money rather than sit home on the computer and b*** about how you have no money for paintball. I know, had the same problems. I only make 5.50 an hour and my boss is screwing me out of hours that I actually worked, but I keep working until I can find a new job so I can keep playing. Go figure, I'm an addict. Well, I think I'll go play with my paintball stuff, I'm getting the withdrawel shakes.:freak: :crazy:

StealthElephant

06-12-2002, 08:01 PM

I don't have a huge problem with gun cost (tho it is high)

i complain only about paint cost....i can't think of any maintream sport that requires constant upkeep like paintball. You play every day that's like 2 cases a week, that's 100$. Hockey, baseball, soccer, basketball you buy the equiptment and you play as much as you want...paintball you gotta keep buying...it's murder...a friend i go to school with went to a tournement, his team bought 25 cases of paint over 2 days at 80$ a case...he blew his entire savings on paint....

it's funny because once your good and you win all the prizes and get sponsored you don't need it anymore cause you have it all....meanwhile there is a huge untapped talent that just can't afford to play in the tourney scene....

I know that www.firstcallpaintball.com has severe housepaint for 29$ a case...and they replace any broken paint....even tho i ordered a revy and harness from them over a month ago and still don't have my order....

JEDARAPA2

06-13-2002, 01:46 AM

Yes, paintball is expensive. But to many of us, its important. For me, it gradually became my only hobby. Theres NOTHING I'd rather spend money on than paintball, so thats where I spend it. I used to be into nitro RC cars, and if you think paintball is expensive, try blindly going into that hobby. It was costing me about $20 every time I started and ran a car in broken parts and fuel. So, paintball seemed cheaper at the time, so I sold everything I had from RC cars and played paintball more, and fell in love with it. You don't need $5000 in equipment, but if your serious about paintball, and would rather spend your money on it than anything else, why not?

teamfortman

06-13-2002, 09:58 AM

Motocross, thats expensive, never could get into to it,
so I took up paintball :)

Also my dad told me golf is almost as bad as paintball (no he doesn't play golf, he thinks its stupid)

Sudden Impact

06-13-2002, 09:59 AM

Paintball costs so much because manufacturers, retailers, wholesale distributors have this crazy idea called "profit"...the product they sell has to pay for the other products to be made and for their employees salary and put some cash into their pockets...at least you dont have to make the paintballs by hand or some dumb **** like that...so I wouldnt complain much about price...

green_goblin

06-13-2002, 12:06 PM

your an adult that owns a paintball store, has 2 angels and a cocker.. dont tell some kids to stop whining, we cant afford it:rolleyes:

werty7373

06-13-2002, 12:12 PM

profit yeah thats important but this is ridicolous. take about .001 cent to make a paintball so what do they do charge 5 cents per ball. if it is true about the 5 machi8nes that make them y dont the compaies buy their own and give the consumers a break. the new worr paint made buy wgp has their paint machines like dilablo how they used to ditribute paint made by procaps how many of u knew that this was happenig until nps bought the rights? o yeah wat does wdp stand for?

Sudden Impact

06-13-2002, 12:47 PM

well guys...its like this...cool store owners(such as myself ;) )...give good customers a break...if someone buys stuff from me all the time they get a reduced price...the problem is, people buying everything off the internet...gotta realize the more we buy at a time the less it costs us, hence the less it will cost yall...

Dr. Isotope

06-13-2002, 01:27 PM

This thread seems to have gone from "why does paintball cost so much" to "why do paintballs cost so much". Oh well, Let me see if this clears it up:

Let's use nice, round numbers to make this easy. And a disclaimer to all hacks, these numbers are completely made up, for explanatory purposes only.

A paintball costs $0.01 in materials. One cent. (For example purposes only)

A paintball sells for $0.05. Five cents. That's a 400% margin, right? Wrong.

The machine that makes paintballs costs $250,000. It costs $87,500 a year in maintenance and power. It requires two knowledgeable people to operate it ($25,000 x 2 annually), plus four people to load and unload it ($15,000 x 4 annually) and two additional people for quality control ($15,000 x 2 annually).

So a new paint manufacturer, before a ball is even made, is effectively out $477,500. Just to break even, the company will have to sell 6,000 case of paintballs. Right?

Wrong. All of the paintballs go into boxes. Boxes have labels. Boxes have to go on trucks. Dealers get discounts. Not all paintballs formed are viable. R & D. Depreciation. Taxes. Etc, etc, etc. :blah:

Ten years ago, balls cost 5 times as much. Manufacturers are more than likely just now paying off their initial investments, from a decade ago. So don't bash the manufacturers. If a paintball only cost .001 cents to make, you'd probably get it for .005 cents each. But it doesn't.

You buy them for your hobby. They sell them so they can eat and sleep indoors.

Give them, and me, a break. :rolleyes:

No_DAMN_NAMES

06-13-2002, 01:57 PM

The companys that make paintballs make almost all of other gel capped things. Grab a bottle of quick disolve asprin? made by the same machine. Out of the 5 Factories, not machines, 3 of them are also pharmacuticle companys that started making paintballs for even more profit. Since they make BILLIONS anyways why do they need to keep the prices so high? Supply and demand. More people=More Profit=Lower prices. I agree that the upkeep of these machines are astrinomical. Whats a case of paint cost, like 70$ USD? Most people paintball 2 times a month. Use one case each time. 7,000,000 people paintball. Unless I messed up thats 11,760,000,000 dollars a year profit. Even with the upkeep theres no freaking way they can't lower the price a bit. Thats excluding Cananda, mainly cuz we don't have that mainy people paintballing, cuz our pop. is only like 32,000,000.

And just to tell you, 100 balls cost 6-9 dollars, 500 balls cost 30-40 dollars. Thats at feild. A case costs 90 bucks for me. Thats to freaking much when min wage is 6.45. I get 7 and work at a golf course so its pretty good.

And if you think about it, paintball isn't that expensive. In hockey, you spend 400$ in gear, then 300$ play all winter. You outgrow your stuff too so its a constant upkeep. And in golf its 500$ for a decent set, then 45$ a pop. So figure that out.

Sorry if that didn't make much sense, but I felt like ranting a wee bit. Its sort of all over the place with spelling errors but hey.

billabongboy

06-13-2002, 04:04 PM

You wanna know why paintball gear manufacturers charge so much for products??? For the same reason a dog licks himself, BECAUSE THEY CAN!!!

simple as that, they know we need their products so they make as much profeit as possible when we buy them...see its simple

coyote

06-13-2002, 05:40 PM

Yes there are Markers that cost $1400 air systems that cost $400. Thjose are some of the more expensive examples though. I don't need a $1400 marker. I just ordered a custom built electro that will cost $750.

It is much less expensive than that to get started. I will use 3 comman markers in this example.The spyder Xtra ($135), the Autococker ($320), and the Impulse ($400). I will set them up fully with nice basic upgrades. $90 for a barrel (dye stainless, Lapco bigshot),$95 Palmer stabilizer, $50 loader, $30 mask. That makes totals $525, $720, and $790. Add $120 for a 68/3000 tank if you like. If you want a $1400 is overkill for 99% of the guys who play the game. You can have you own quality gear for less than the prices above.

Paintball can be as expensive as you want it to be as can any hobby. If you want the next big thing it will cost you. Is it worth it? Often the answer is no.

Xtra_long_balls

06-13-2002, 06:32 PM

Spyder xtra for 135? I either got screwed bad or that's not right.
He's right, machines cost money, but they could come down a bit. If you really think about it, compared to some sports, paintball isn't all that bad for expenses. In say, motocross, just a crappy bike will run you say $4,000, used. Plus then there's helmet (considerably more than a mask), gas (not quite as consuming as paintballs), parts (break alot more, cost alot more), clothing (fairly close in price), protective gear (alot more to buy than paintball, really the only thing you need is gloves in paintball), plus mechanic labor fees (alot more than paintball labor fees, how many shops do you know that charge $50 an hour??). I think this thread was started by and continues to be frequented by whiny kids that are too young to be legally hired into a part-time job, and therefore think that they have a legitimate reason to complain about the people who make our sport possible making a couple bucks to feed their own children. So, to all those kids, quit whining and go find a way to make a buck. Noone likes to pay high prices, but it's sometimes necesary.

AngelsHolocaust

06-13-2002, 06:37 PM

i dont know if you notcied this...but people playing paintball are getting younger and younger, and its not uncommon for us to be too young to be hired for a job..so i do think we have reason to complain. i mean i make like 25-30 a week at my crappy job and whenever i play, i shoot a case a day or damn near a case..so i can only go about once a month..it just plain old sucks

Awhislyle

06-13-2002, 09:15 PM

even so if it was 10 dollars for 15 balls people shot pums with 6grams and probably went threw 30 a day

lucifer666

06-13-2002, 09:31 PM

why do you americans b***<h so much. if you can't afford this sport then don't play or get a better job. if you shoot one case a day then you are majorly over shooting. i myself play every weekend on a mcdonalds part time salary. i pay 25 cdn for 500 balls. this lasts me about 3-5 hours. if you whine about the price then don't shoot so much its as simple as that

teamfortman

06-13-2002, 09:41 PM

25.00 CAD Canada Dollars = 16.2424 USD United States Dollars
WTF how in the world does it cost you only 16 dollars for 500 balls
Jeez :) its $7 for 100 where i play, 30 for 500, 60 for 100 and $100 for 2000 Field Paint only (its so funny, people just carry paint in pods and shoot air until its down to like only 2 enemies left)
Plus $14 admission and $5 to fill my 16 oz
Ya i'm 15, ya i work, ya i mow grass, ya i'm getting a job at the local shoe store
Oh ya McDonald's is a crappy place to work:) (just ask unreal7)

Anyways paintball is expensive, theres no around it, in business everything is about profit No profit, no business, they close
Why give a break? When theres money to made people do everything they can to make it
Two fields around me closed because they didn't make a profit

lucifer666

06-13-2002, 09:47 PM

i get 500 balls for 25 bucks from my local store. and i go play out in the woods outside my town. there is real no point in me playing at my local field cause its prettyy much the same as we play in the woods. local fields are kind of a waste of money cause most of them are pieces of ****. (not to offend anyone) where i live the closet place for me to get a good field is in vancouer b.c.

saywhat?

06-13-2002, 10:08 PM

omg. . . my reply was just cancelled. .. argh. anyways, I'll make this short & sweet then.

"The machine that makes paintballs costs $250,000. It costs $87,500 a year in maintenance and power. It requires two knowledgeable people to operate it ($25,000 x 2 annually), plus four people to load and unload it ($15,000 x 4 annually) and two additional people for quality control ($15,000 x 2 annually). "

No. You depreciate over the expected lifetime of the machine. Using straight-line depreciation & expected lifetime of 10 years, thats 25k/year. I'd also argue with you on the maintenance & power. Since the machines are used for purposes other than paintball, their expenses are also divided among the other purposes.

And the actual raw materials in ONE paintball, is FAR less than 1 cent.

Only thing I can see is inventory cost. PB's have a shelf-life, so unsold cases have to be replaced at cost by the manufacturer. But even then, I don't think its enough to justify such high prices.

Cornmuffin87

06-13-2002, 10:25 PM

look, if u dont want to spend so much money...DONT....its as simple as that. Do u really need a $1000 autococker???? i have a Custom 98 and it fires paintballs just as an autococker does....ok maybe my tippy isnt as good looking or as high bps...but it shoots paintballs! so theres $880 dollars extra ya have now if u buy a tippy. Add 80 for a barrel. 15 for anti siphon... 20 for a tank, there ya go..theres ur gun....and where i live i can get 500 paintballs for $23. and my 14 0z costs me 3.25 to fill.......and do u really need to go through a case a day!?!?!?!? maybe thats the problem with u high end marker owners have....ur bps is way to high for ur own good! it only takes 1 ball to mark 1 guy...and unless ur playing games with 150 peopel each...ya dont need a case of paint a day!

saywhat?

06-13-2002, 10:32 PM

i don't mind the gun prices so much, i think they're justified. But in terms of paint, comon. =\. I feel like I'm in the russian army during world war 2. I'm alotted 3 bullets everyday, and if I run out, I'm SOL.

Cornmuffin87

06-13-2002, 10:44 PM

lol i guess i understand...but if ya think about it...a hopper of 150 paintballs costs roughly $7.30....and with that hopper u can mark 150 people...quite enough for a day of play.....

saywhat?

06-13-2002, 11:03 PM

lol. . . if you can hit 150 people with just 1 hopper, you'd be making thousands from the tourneys. Realistically speaking, in a game, you waste a lot of ammo bunkering someone in, cover firing for a teammate, and using the 1st shot or 2 to aim.

werty7373

06-14-2002, 05:18 AM

well internet prices arent that bad a little high but i can deal with them about 55 dollars a case for decent paint. but its the fiels and shop prices that piss me off. There are some stores that have their prices matched to the internet because they have a website and can sell there products all over the country. the fileds that really piss me off are the ones dont even consider making a website and selling them that makes me they continue to sell their 45 dollar paint a case for 90$ and its crap paint (team colors) Their website can be mail in orders or call in not neccesarily over the net ordering. And before a field owner whins how it would be to hard it is take a risk, get a loan, make a website, buy wholesale. and about the risk this is paintball and is still viewed badly in the eyes of some people and yet you still opened up a store.

coyote

06-14-2002, 07:15 AM

Canada is part of North America...

I would avoid using racism 666. You will end up looking small minded and foolish. I have heard canadian people ***** too.

For you youngsters, the game is not cheap. Most sports are (like someone said you just need a ball). Even being able to afford to play whenever I want I can't. My life only allows once or twice a month.

Dr. Isotope

06-14-2002, 08:39 AM

It's that whole "kid's today..." angle for me. I don't care if you're 14 and your lawn mowing can't get you an Angel, and the paint's too expensive, and blah blah....

Write back when you have these things called BILLS to pay, and mouths to feed (when your parents aren't putting the food in there for you anymore), and a mortgage to look out from under.

No tears shed for the kids who can't afford the game. Play soccer. Get on the swim team. Much respect to the 9to5s, with 1.5 and a dog, 17 years left on the fixed rate, who still find the money and the time to play the game they love, and not whine about it. :cool:

hmm

06-14-2002, 08:51 AM

Paintball is expensive, but it isn't TOO hard to pay for paint. I get PMIs online which comes out about $50 after shipping. That is $12.50 for 500, which is about the amount I use in a day. I have shot 700 before though. Its really not that hard to find money, even if you don't have a real job. Mowing lawns, babysitting and other odd jobs gets at least $5 an hour. I babysat alot before I started working. If you can't afford to play once every week or two, you're too lazy, too young or using too much paint.

lucifer666

06-14-2002, 08:56 AM

how am i being a racist i was just saying that its more expensive up here in canada. but if you can't afford to play then get a better job as simple as that.

hmm

06-14-2002, 08:57 AM

Saywhat- I should hope that your knowlage of Russians during WWII doesn't soley come from the movie "Enemy at the Gates"...

saywhat?

06-14-2002, 02:08 PM

"It's that whole "kid's today..." angle for me. I don't care if you're 14 and your lawn mowing can't get you an Angel, and the paint's too expensive, and blah blah....

Write back when you have these things called BILLS to pay, and mouths to feed (when your parents aren't putting the food in there for you anymore), and a mortgage to look out from under.

No tears shed for the kids who can't afford the game. Play soccer. Get on the swim team. Much respect to the 9to5s, with 1.5 and a dog, 17 years left on the fixed rate, who still find the money and the time to play the game they love, and not whine about it. "

so only people that have obligations should be allowed to protest against the high prices?

Anyone can complain (whine) about unreasonable prices, whether they're 14 or 30.

D-RoK

06-14-2002, 02:16 PM

If you can't afford to play paintball, go play airsoft like me. Its alot cheaper. Ammo is cheap, 2000 BBs for $9 And its more fun than PB. www.neasg.net www.team-gai.tk
The last game I went to had 100 players.

Dr. Isotope

06-14-2002, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by saywhat?
so only people that have obligations should be allowed to protest against the high prices?

Anyone can complain (whine) about unreasonable prices, whether they're 14 or 30.

Yes. ;)

And "unreasonable" compared to what? Platinum? Precious gems? Gasoline? Aside from BBs, go find another ammunition at $50 for 2000 rounds. Bought any .45 lately? Try $20 for 50 rounds. That is just unkind.

saywhat?

06-14-2002, 05:53 PM

lol. . . you can't compare prices of paintballs to other ammunition, much less "platinum" or whatnot. The only question is: "Is the price for a case of paintball unreasonable considering its various cost". I'd say yes.

[X5] FLIP

06-14-2002, 06:23 PM

At my field it cost $150 for membership. After that you get in for free, free air/co2, $0.05/ball, unlimited play. I usualy spend 15-25$ per game (atlest once a week).

It would cost me over $1000 a year to play with 20$ of balls/week. With everything i got (gun kit, pballs, upgrades, membership, misc stuff that has to do with paintball) I have already spent 900 bucks and have played at the field about 6 times. It is pretty expensive, but alot of other "games", (Im not calling it a sport) cost alot also. Any hardcore gamer would spend a whole lot of money upgrding his computer just to get the game to run smooth and buying 70$ games, or anyone with a game system. Anyone who plays lazer tag alot will find that game expensive. 7-8$ 30 min, atlest 4 hours of play (equal to playing paintball) thats already 64$ per game for the same amount of time it takes to play paintball, that would cost over $3300 to play for a year, once a week. It is also a cheep game and people just run around and stuff and it just feels.... fake, unlike paintball where its almost as if ur in a real battle.

Playing paintball wont be so expensive if you just take your shots wisely. Most games cost alot to start off anyways.

(all prices are in CDN funds)

Slayerized

06-14-2002, 06:28 PM

Alright, here's a simple solution to the problem:

Shoot less paint

Buy a pump, and shoot less paint, you'll save all the money you're whining about, and improve your skills. Still cannot afford a case of paint? Get a job. I get paid 6 bucks and hour Canadian to work at McDonalds, the worst place of employment in the world, and I can still afford to play paintball and take a vacation to France this summer. Because I put some effort in and work long hours. If you aren't prepared to put in some effort to get money for paintball, then don't play. And for those of you too young to get a job, mooch off your parents. That's what they're for!!

And a slightly related question: There are around 6 encapsulators in the world right? But there are a hell of a lot more than 6 companies that sell paintballs right? So, what makes the difference between every single different type of ball that is? There could be shell thickness, fill thickness, color, possibly shell structure? and diameter. How can these factors really make that much of a difference in the paintballs you buy? As in, what really makes allstars or marbs better than brass eagles?

Henry_the_Lion5

06-14-2002, 06:36 PM

Ok, Lets pretened it costs a penny to make a paintball...

Now out of a case thats $20, (.05 X 2000)

-Then that company has to Advertising, Which is probably the most increase in price, Overhead on the machines, factory, offices, and all that jazz. Lawsuits, ( remeber people sue happy these days), legal junk (Like Patents, Copywrites, ect. That ain't free). Then profit, Those guys arn't making the paint for the fun of it. So now that 1 cent paintball doubles to 2 cents. Which in a case is $40. Then you've got the wholesalers. They've got shiping, overhead, advertiseing, and there legal stuff, and profit again. adding up to a 3 cent paintball. (.03 X 2000=$60) This of course isn't exact or may not be even close. but what my point is is the fact that there not out to screw us over on some 200% profit margin. Its the simple fact that thats how much it costs to make that paintball and those guys got to eat like you. Any company has those kinda costs. There was a good article about this subject in the January 02 of Paintball magazine I think it was.

BTW- I found paint online for $42 online at Actionvillage.com, Estimating Shiping it will cost $47-$50 depending on shipping method (air-ground) For bigball, Other paints I think are different prices.

i like tictacs

06-14-2002, 06:53 PM

seriously. buy a pump. BUY A PUMP. youll spend 120 on a semi-decent one, get MUCH better, and save MUCH more paint. and its better when you bunker people with them too. ooo yes, im buying a pump asap.

Xtra_long_balls

06-14-2002, 06:56 PM

Lawsuits? What kind of f***ing idiot would sue the paintball manufacturer, and for what? Because they ate a bag of 500 paintballs and had diarrhea for a week? Because the paintball didn't break on the opponent and he shot you leaving a welt?? Whoopy do, if there is anyone that sues the paintball manufacturer, they're way too whiny and rich to be playing in the first place. They should go play chess or polo or something and give me the lawyer fees so I can buy some porno tapes and 1/2 a case of marbs. :D

Henry_the_Lion5

06-14-2002, 07:09 PM

Someone will sue anyone for the same reason people sue McDonalds because there coffee lid didn't say "Contence HOT" Even though it was coffee.

Xtra_long_balls

06-14-2002, 07:12 PM

So now all paintballs have to have a label that says "Contains Paint"?? I hate lawyers. They suck. They drive the good and decent to do strange and stupid things.

Henry_the_Lion5

06-14-2002, 07:27 PM

I agree, Its weird, but all we can do is live w/ it.

coyote

06-14-2002, 07:38 PM

Don't Blame Lawyers...

Blame the ugly American with the "it's not my fault I am a moron" attitude. If people would own the fact that the often do thoroughly reckless, stupid, and damaging stuff that isn't someone elses fault that problem would go away. The problem is these chimps think that the world should pay them for their lack of sense and intelligence.

Henry_the_Lion5

06-14-2002, 07:51 PM

I guess your right, but no matter whos fault it really is, the bottom line is we (the decent paitnballer) Who suffer from those chimps who sue because they shot themselves in the eye because the end of the barrel didn't say "do not look in this end and pull trigger". Seriously though, we suffer because of all of that kinda stuff. and what kills me is those idiots accuallywin most of the time.

saywhat?

06-15-2002, 12:00 AM

oh dear lord. . . I guess I can go thru accounting 101 again.

"k, Lets pretened it costs a penny to make a paintball...

Now out of a case thats $20, (.05 X 2000)

-Then that company has to Advertising, Which is probably the most increase in price, Overhead on the machines, factory, offices, and all that jazz. Lawsuits, ( remeber people sue happy these days), legal junk (Like Patents, Copywrites, ect. That ain't free). Then profit, Those guys arn't making the paint for the fun of it. So now that 1 cent paintball doubles to 2 cents. Which in a case is $40. Then you've got the wholesalers. They've got shiping, overhead, advertiseing, and there legal stuff, and profit again. adding up to a 3 cent paintball. (.03 X 2000=$60) This of course isn't exact or may not be even close. but what my point is is the fact that there not out to screw us over on some 200% profit margin. Its the simple fact that thats how much it costs to make that paintball and those guys got to eat like you. Any company has those kinda costs. There was a good article about this subject in the January 02 of Paintball magazine I think it was.
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1. ONE paintball, costs FAR less than ONE cent. They buy paint/gelatin in bulk, and the amount of paint & gelatin in ONE paintball is a fraction of one cent.

2. Adversting by paintball companies is nowhere near high profile. When was the last time you saw a commercial about all stars or marbs? Mostly the paintballs advertise by word of mouth (which is FREE), and magazine ads in paintball mags (which is cheap considering the subscription base of paintball mags).

3. Cost of machines/office space = depreciation over lifetime, so the cost of the machine is spread out over however many years. I'm guessing at least 10+ years.

4. #3 also covers patents. Oh btw, copyright is for written materials. So unless you planning on shooting a short essay at your opponent, its irrelevant.

5. Lawsuits. Rofl. I don't even want to waste time arguing this assinine point.

6. Now we come to wholesalers.

subpoint a. shipping: whether its FOB (free on board) destination or shipping, shipping costs can be substantial when you ship large quantities of paint. HOWEVER, depending on the arrangments the retailer/manufacturer has with their respective shipping companies, which ALSO is tied into shipments of other materials, they get significantly reduced prices. SO, because they ship things besides paint, and since they ship frequently & substantially, they get substantially reduced prices.

subpoint b. advertising. Retailers don't advertise. Or at least not substantially, and its usually thru paintball affliated sites, which means they pay little to nothing for ad space on another paintball site, and in return, they provide ad space on their site for the other company. And their biggest advertising power comes from word of mouth.

subpoint c. overhead. AGAIN, overhead is generally divided among the other various activities that also utilize the same resources as paintball manufacturing.

subpoint d. legal issues. once again, I'm not going to waste my time arguing this ridiculous point.

SO, what did we learn in all of this? Theres nothing worse than a wannabe know-it-all that doesn't know jack. So please, next time before you start "conjecturing" all of these financial assumptions, please go take accounting 101 at your local community college. I'm sure you can afford it, since you can pay for the 70 dollar cases of paint.

saywhat?

06-15-2002, 12:02 AM

"Someone will sue anyone for the same reason people sue McDonalds because there coffee lid didn't say "Contence HOT" Even though it was coffee."

THats the MOST idiotic god damn thing I've EVER heard in my lifetime. Thats akin to well hey, someone will EVENTUALLY sue company X for 100 million dollars because you can sue anyone for anything, THEREFORE company X has the RIGHT to charge a high price right now in ANTICIPATION of this FRIVILOUS lawsuit that might NEVER happen. GOOD LORD. please do not EVER speak again.

saywhat?

06-15-2002, 12:10 AM

And if anything, because paintballs have such a high turnover rate due to their rapid use & shelf-life, manufacturers can afford to earn a lower profit because paintballs will be continually ordered year round. The decrease in profit could more than be offset by the increase in volume as people buy more paint. But either way, they won't willingly decrease prices on paint until they can be sure that the increase in volume will make up for the decrease in profit. Its just like if you can charge 2 dollars a pill for a prescription drug, and people will buy it regardless, why would you charge less even if 2 dollars/pill is a complete ripoff to the consumer?

Dr. Isotope

06-15-2002, 01:07 AM

Interesting points, despite your inability to condense them into something readable. Your multi-faceted attack against the Evil Empire of Gelatinous Encapsulation is strangely admirable.

But there is one bottom line that you fail to recognize:

Paintballs are sold at whatever cost the market will bear.

Simple. They sell at $60 a case because you'll pay $60 a case. General accounting fails to even warrant relevancy. :|

Henry_the_Lion5

06-15-2002, 09:20 AM

This of course isn't exact or may not be even close. but what my point is is the fact that there not out to screw us over on some 200% profit margin. Its the simple fact that thats how much it costs to make that paintball and those guys got to eat like you. Any company has those kinda costs. There was a good article about this subject in the January 02 of Paintball magazine I think it was.

saywhat? Did you conveniently miss those last few sentences?

more specificly

This of course isn't exact or may not be even close. but what my point is is the fact that there not out to screw us over on some 200% profit margin

I NEVER SAID IT WHAT RIGHT! I WAS TRYING TO MAKE A POINT YOU DUMB ****ER! and someone did sue McDonalds because there coffee lid didn't say "Contence HOT" ans he spilled it on her and burnt herself. She won too but she didn't get all she sued for.