f5 vs. dark angel

[mdgoalie]

which has more range and flatter trajectory>

[Imus]

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[elTwitcho]

well put

[JesterDude15]

an F5 makes an Angel its Bi*ch.

Kinda like every other gun on the planet makes the Samurai its Bi*ch. hmmmmmmmmmmm...

[theomacy]

if you realy ask around you will find that most people here, at least the ones who know anything will, will say that they have the same trojectory and same range, and if you didn't take physics in high school you need to be b*itch slapped, and run out of town on a rail.

[Edited by theomacy on 07-27-2001 at 02:56 PM]

[mdgoalie]

well guess what bud, my dark angel has nowhere near the range of my cocker, its called a closed bolt design, i just wanted to know if the sandridge F5 job affected this in any way.

[theomacy]

closed bolt, smosed bolt, doesn't mean a thing. the electro upgrade on the cocker will have as much effect on your range and accuracy as pissing on your foot will have on your best friends IQ. the only way it could effect your accuracy or range would be if the F5 upgrade allowed you to shoot faster and thus created shootdown, but that would be a regulator problem not the gun so much.

[mdgoalie]

all im sayin is that i have cocker and angel, and there is a difference in range and trajectory

[krasher]

Originally posted by mdgoalie
well guess what bud, my dark angel has nowhere near the range of my cocker, its called a closed bolt design, i just wanted to know if the sandridge F5 job affected this in any way.


I don't see how, seeing as the Angel and cocker both fire from a closed breach...

The ball doesn't really care what marker it was fired from. Believe me, I asked my proball.

[mdgoalie]

do either of u two have a ****ing angel and cocker

[krasher]

Heh...

My cocker never fired further than my friends Impulse, if that helps...Neither did my nova or phantom. And when I tried Dave's shocker, it went the same distance. I've owned a few more markers over the last year, and tried numerous guns, and I haven't noticed any range difference.

[mdgoalie]

all i know is that when i took both my guns out a week or so ago i tried them both on the same field with same paint, only diff is that with cocker i didnt have to arc my gun so high that I would literally be raining paint.

[krasher]

Hey well, if you play better with the cocker and you think it goes farther, why not get it sandridged? Seems like you would like it more then.

[JesterDude15]

Closed bolt does nothing.

[Insanekila]

if any of you guys are really into paintball news then you would know about the experiment warpig made comparing the accuracy of closed bolt versus open bolt with the same gun and they had the same results from both
go to this site to read it yourself
http://www.warpig.com/paintball/technical/paintguns/balistic/closedopen.shtml

[JesterDude15]

Closed bolt made it less accurate.

It does nothing, sheesh.

[krasher]

Well obviously closed bolt would make it less accurate, that test was really dumb. A stingray is not meant to be closed bolt really, changing it would just screw it up too much. Personally I don't think closed bolt does jack.

[Imus]

Closed bolt does nothing special...just makes your gun a little quieter...this is a closed debate...and your 'Cocker went farther than your angel cuz you had the velocity higher

[krasher]

Or he was aiming it at a different angle, sometimes you don't even realize it and it screws you up.

[mdgoalie]

which of you actually owns an angel and a cocker at the moment cause those are the ONLY people i wanna hear from about this

[Edited by mdgoalie on 05-29-2001 at 01:28 PM]

[A damn fool]

ok, let me answer this question before someone like twicho gets realluy pissed ogff, lol

300FPS=300FPS, NO MATTER WHICH GUNS IT SHOOTS FROM!

if u shot the same exact paintball(which is kind of hard to do because paintball vary slightyl form eachother) and shot them at the smae exact velocity, they are going to go the same distance.

but remeber 300fps will go just as far as 300fps in another gun

[mdgoalie]

A Damn Fool is an appropiate name because I guess i have to say this again, which of you actually owns an angel and a cocker at the moment cause those are the ONLY people i wanna hear from about this

[JesterDude15]

Originally posted by mdgoalie
A Damn Fool is an appropiate name because I guess i have to say this again, which of you actually owns an angel and a cocker at the moment cause those are the ONLY people i wanna hear from about this



Ugggggh

[Ded]

dito, ugggghhh

[p8ntballMerc]

If you want something accurate and has more range, well just get a real gun hehehehe.(Don't shoot people with it, just shoot soda cans in your backyard.)
NOTE: I Advice you not to buy a gun. Crazy people and guns don't mix.


I know I'm a big autococker fan, but my friend's angel, even though he relies on it cuz of speed(and he got it just to be cool)and this is hard for me to admit, but shoots as far as my SFL or any of my cocker if they have the same velocity. It's just my cockers shoots more accurate, either that or I'm just good with cockers.

I voted for the F5 anywayz. Hehehehe

[RanchDip]

This is from a man that owns both a LCD and a Free Flow.

Both guns DO go the same distance when shooting at the same accuracy. I thought for the longest time that the Free Flow shot farther, until one day when I was at the rifle range, I decided to get them both out. Mounted on a bench, side by side, they both had the same range and accuracy (or so close that it wouldn't make a difference in real life situations).

After I had conducted the bench-mounted tests, I decided to do another informal test with me holding my gun. This time, the 'cocker did shoot farther. I was really complexed about this until my friend said, 'hey, shoot them again, I want to see something', so of course I did. Then, he noticed that I was shouldering the 'cocker differently, putting more of a trajectory on the ball.

The key things about accuracy are a) paint to barrel match; b) good consistency; c) holding the marker steady while firing.

[jdw_56]

c'mon everybody, lets just all buy ourselves a samurai and then we'll all get the same performance! there, settled.

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

i say we all get blow guns. then it will be challenging, if you know what i mean. :)

[filasophikal]

why not just throw paintballs....

[ß㣣阮îç ™]

there you go, thats a good idea..

[flyingdeadbody1]

between the two guns the only thing that can affect the range is consistency. if a stock angel is less consistent then the f5 cocker will appear to have more range, because the velocity will stay the same therefore the balls fly at the same spot, and dont drop off. thats all there is to it.
dont worry, your in that phase where you think guns can shoot further than one another. dont worry i went through that phase too. youll grow out of it. :) lol

[abeaucha]

Your wrong cockers will always shoot further and more accurate than any other gun for no reason they just will so there. Angels aren't accurate because WGP is magic and stays in business by sprinkling fairydust/closedbolt into their guns. But seriously I swear some angels are not accurate as little sense as this makes I know I am not the only person who this happens to.

[WGP*BLACK*MAGIC]

this is what you need to do, find some way to hold your gun perfectly level, not you a stand or something that can be made at your home easily. i just put two u shaped pvc pipes on top of straight pvc pipes and put both guns in there shooting at the same target, chrono them at the same fps and see wich is more accurate as for range, after 10-15 shots move the device farther and see how many actually hit with both of your guns i did this with my cocker and my boss's fly and there was no major difference. the bolt design has nothing to do with it, neither does electronics. we both have 16" boomsticks on our guns to so dont say oh your barrels were different. you will see.

[Paco]

The Force 5, hands down. Yes I have one, yes they're more accurate at longer ranges and shoot just a little flatter. I've shot them side-by-side with a Dark Angel, both using a 14" boomstick.
I can't imagine that the people who swear there is no difference in range/accuracy have ever fired both markers. Not that one is a better gun, and I won't get into the whole open vs. closed bolt thing cause I don't care. The point is, purely judged by the performance of the two tools, the cocker and/or F5 will outshoot an angel at a distance (assuming the same conditions).

[high adjucator]

ok everybody who says closed bolt does nothing
put the barrel on a open bolt gun and fire see how muhc air is coming out.
now take a cocker and fire and see howw much is coming out!!!
use same barrel
thats the difference and i dut think it gives range thats a sales gimmiick but the accuracy is much better (read my thread)


also an angel is open bolt.

[Richy_C]

thats pressure you're talking about.

[high adjucator]

it might be pressure but one has more than the other
thats the differencr!!!
thats why accuracy is better now i know the rangen is not better!!!




did ne body have to turn there reg so far down that the pressure was 250 psi when they first got there cocker form wgp??

[Richy_C]

Right, ok, so say you take a timmy, stock, at 300 psi, fire it, then do the LP mod, and the accuracy is going to be differant? ok, whatever man.

[high adjucator]

heh hem
the cocker has more "pressure" than the open bolt even tho it runs at half the pressure!!
thats my point!!!!!!!