Most over rated PB stuff

[Richy_C]

Whats the most over rated piece of pb stuff?

[Richy_C]

it has got to be the M 98, they're ok, but people just push it to far

[elTwitcho]

ELECTRO FRAMES FOR BLOW BACKS, ELECTRO FRAMES FOR BLOW BACKS!!!!!!! Finally someone sees what i've been saying all along, thank you Richy_c, you've made me very happy, lol

[Richy_C]

worthless aren't they?

[MuckRaker]

Just about anything that costs more than $300 ... :eek:

[rwillia]

I was stuck between voting for the Model 98 and the electro frames for blow-backs as most overrated.
My gripe with electro frames is that for the price of the marker and the frame (about $450-$500 usually), you can get a high-end marker like a Cocker or Mag or even a used Impulse or BM2K/Defiant. Besides, most blowbacks internals can't handle over 8 or 9 balls per second anyway so the electro firing modes won't be very fast - not that they need to be.
I think the M98 is more overrated though because SOOOOOOO many people have them. It's like everyone and their mom and their mom's mom owns one! I've seen so many upgraded 98s that cost the same amount as a tricked Cocker or Mag that it isn't funny! Why would someone want a tricked 98 instead of a tricked Mag or Cocker?! Plus Model 98s have a clamshell body design - making the internals drag and making them very hard to field strip. They barely have anything on them out of the box compared to other markers in the price range such as Spyders and Piranhas. The only noteworthy upgrades for 98s are the Flatline and Reactive Trigger, and Mags have upgrades very similar to those that work better - the Z-Body and ReTro Valve! So in the end, I voted for the 98 as most overrated.

[Richy_C]

ah, this man is smart

[elTwitcho]

ahhh muckraker, opinions from a man who has to pay bills. Poor guy. I however live in fantasy land where I get to keep almost all my money (until the gf decides it's time I took her out to another 100 dollar dinner for two... which is like twice a month, damn her), not pay bills, and can make it through life with just enough money to afford paintballs and McDee's for the week. Not that I'm bragging :P . Seriously though, this brings up a good question, I wonder if the majority of people who own high end markers are younger players, who dont yet have mortages, kids, car loans etc. I know for a fact that I wouldnt be gettin away with buying the stuff I buy for pb if I had bills

[butt kicker]

well i'm 20 and have a car loan and a house loan and i have a trick out 2000 cocker but that ment living on vinna sausage and beanee wenees but all for the love of the game

[Nemessis]

I have to say DYE barrels!!!! a cp barrel shoots just as good as a boomer

[Richy_C]

Hey nem! good to see you! but i still say the damn 98

[skippy8]

I don't like M98 They are overrated. Every kid in my grade got a paintball gun for christmas and I got an SE and proud. But One friend was going to trade an upgraded Compact for a new M98 after christmas. I thought cool. Then like 4 or 5 other people came to school after the break Like I got a M98! I got a M98! It's overrated.

[rwillia]

Who voted for Mags?!

[PiRaNhA69]

im with muckraker about stuff being over 300$

[Crisis]

I gotta agree with muck and piranha any thing over $300

Somtimes even $250

the LCD grip i scored for my Spyder 2000 was $229 so it's all good, and people gripe about them, try one then say what you think.. I'm happy with it

[Paintball Monkey]

I just saw and tried the response (reactive) trigger for the M98... what a joke, hahaha... is it also known as a paint blender?

[Richy_C]

gosh, didn't u know it it's nickname, the tippmenn blend-o-matic 5000?

[Crisis]

You know, i actually got to shoot a M98 tonight, HOW CAN SO MANY PEOPLE talk great about them ??? they're a TANK.. heavy as hell, trigger action kinda sucks.. that responsive trigger, where'd that joke come from ? the trigger i had stuck, and indeed became the PaintBlender 1 million

[Richy_C]

holy cow dude, i had fun at night games last night! this kid had a m98, a taso 20 incher, and a 20 oz tank, you should have seen it! it was a damn titanic, he he, he got bunkered every game

[Crisis]

man i'm starting to hate even my 14" barrel, sometimes it's just plain and simply, well TOO DAMN LONG... hehe maybe i should get a 10" for speedball

[Richy_C]

get one of those sp venturi 8" barrel while u can, they stopped makeing them

[paintballer]

I dont think the M98 is that over-rated.I mean the aims off thats really it right? :confused: :mad:

[elTwitcho]

Aim is in the barrel and consistency of your air system, not alot of it has to do with the gun.

[RedWidow]

It is definatly the model 98 by far, spyders are much better then them, everybody knows that,just because they caust more people think the guns better, but there not..

[ptflyer]

"Whats the most over rated piece of pb stuff? "

I don't think it is a marker or another rather I think an expansion chamber is the most over rated...I mean a remote will do the same thing ...or an anti siphen(spell??)CO2 tank....

and you just chuck it when you finally get a regulator

[Watupi]

Originally posted by Nemessis
I have to say DYE barrels!!!! a cp barrel shoots just as good as a boomer

Took the words right out of my mouth. Paint to barrel match is more important.

[NickR]

Its anything thats an electro. Since when did we get so damn lazy that we needed a computer to shoot for us?!?!?! Why would someone trade acuracy and durability for 50 bps in 50 diferent directions and weakness. Lets see someone willingly poor a glass of water over their angel. Or give it a good bang.

[elTwitcho]

Yeah but why would you be pouring water over your gun, is it on fire? I've said it 8 trillion times before and I'm going to have to say it again (please god let this be the last time)

Because the timing of an electro is done electronically, it's easier to get exact and precise timing of your marker

An electro trigger is shorter and has less resistance than any trigger

Electros can achieve higher rates of fire easier

Electros cant be shortstroked

Electros have support for anti-chop eyes, intellifeed, smart feed, Game timers etc.

Because an electro is pnuematically driven, it will kill any spring powered gun in terms of consistent velocity

And as for being durable and rugged, An electro is built just as tough as any other gun, they arent unreliable (more reliable in my opinion) and they arent even extremely expensive anymore.

[Edited by elTwitcho on 02-21-2001 at 09:04 PM]

[jrr112]

of everything out there the only thing i think is a waste is the eltro grips. by the time u get all the upgrades u are better off getting a brand new gun.

[NickR]

Thats is correct jrr21!

[Ded]

Originally posted by Crisis
man i'm starting to hate even my 14" barrel, sometimes it's just plain and simply, well TOO DAMN LONG... hehe maybe i should get a 10" for speedball


um don't you still need accuracy in speedball games?

14" isn't that long and my dye ss which i do kinda regret that I got because those things are so over priced it's pitiful isn't really all that long and it's really accurate in speedball games I would just think that it would be more important to have accuracy over the extra menueverability that 4" off your barrel length gives you, which is not that much, in a game that the first shot could be the most important because the guy would get down behind a bunker before you could get the next one


I don't mean to try to act like a know it all, believe me I'm not, I'm just curious

[TLplus84]

for speedball, i use a 5in. barrel. I used my stock barrel, cut it in half, put porting in it, polished the inside, and now its my speedball barrel. i usually play front so i REALLY need to tuck in tite...it's loud and a little inaccurate, but i'd rather tuck in tite and lose a little bit of accuracy..

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by Ded



14" isn't that long and my dye ss which i do kinda regret that I got because those things are so over priced it's pitiful isn't really all that long and it's really accurate in speedball games I would just think that it would be more important to have accuracy over the extra menueverability that 4" off your barrel length gives you, which is not that much, in a game that the first shot could be the most important because the guy would get down behind a bunker before you could get the next one
[/B]

The length of a barrel does not affect accuracy at all. So in my mind the extra 4" is completely pointless.

[elTwitcho]

Well, it sorta is more accurate, because technically, you're firing at the person from an extra 4 inches closer... hell, you get longer range with that barrel too. 4 inches longer.

[Ded]

Well Twithcy, if you wnna really split hairs your not "technically" firing at the person from 4 inches closer because the bolt still makes contact with the ball at the same place on the earth, the ball just leaves the barrel 4" closer to the target ;)

ps how do you put those little smily things in your replies

[Ded]

WHOA!! I put one in and didn't even know about it it musst be those little code things like :) and ;) and :(

hmm what's ;(

[weasel]

So it transformss them? :) ;) :0

[elTwitcho]

Yes, but a ball is not technically fired until after it leaves the barrel, and accuracy doesnt start to degrade until after it leaves the barrel :)

[Ded]

Touche Twitchy. Once again the wiser of the two has prevailed.

[elTwitcho]

heh :)

[Richy_C]

hey nickr, could you drop the avatar, i feel kinda annoyed that this is the secound time it was "stolen", first time was predator (sp?) but he was cool enough to change it

[SmartBall]

He must think, "hey if I steal someones Avatar this is cool, i'll be cool to!" J/K

[Richy_C]

lol but that hurts deep down here lol j/k

[Stompa'16]

well i have played in well wet conditions with electros(rain, muddy feilds) and none of them ever had any problems

the only prob was that our paint swelled but seeing as i had my freak set hehe thank god for the large inserts

[Keikan]

Tell Nick he can keep the ava if he pays hommage to you and only you.

[Richy_C]

and if andrew would be so nice to me as to grant mod powers wo i could erase all the stupid theads put up

[Witt]

Definately the M98. I have a silver 98. It sucks. The aim is actually alright but the gun itself is made up of worthless junk. I think your better off to go with a spyder compact 200 then a 98. Pro Carb is the best Tippmann out there. Well..The FX is alright. But the pro carb kicks ***!

[toola]

The '98 definitely
mY FRIED THAT i PLAYED PAINTBALL WIHT HAD A FLATLINE BARRELL FOR IT, AND THE THING STILL COULDN'T SHOOT STRAIGHT. THat was of course it he could get the gun un-jammed

[BIG JOHNSON]

I think Cockers are way overated. The Model 98 isn't in my opinion

[elTwitcho]

WOOOOOWOOOOOWOOOOOWOOOOOWOOOO (that's my version of an alarm sicne you're probably wondering) WOOOWOOOO * ATTENTION ALL PBREVIEW FORUM USERS. POSSIBLE FLAME BARRAGE INCOMING. PLEASE DON YOUR ASPESTOS SUITS AND FACE MASKS IN AN ORDERLY AND TIMELY FASHION. PLEASE KEEP THE EXITS CLEAR. DO NOT PANIC ...

[SmartBall]

Ehh, Twitchy, I think you've been wearing that Asbestos suit too long(It's getting to your head!) J/K :D

[elTwitcho]

The colar is a bit tight... wonder how much blood isn't gettin to my head that really ought to be

[jizz186]

all you that said model 98 has to realize that all you peaple with tricked out autocockers and angels and **** are in like the smallest percentage of paintballers. alot of us want a reliable gun that can take alot of damage. alot of us dont want electro guns, hell if my gun was electro it would have been reuined the first week i played with it. alot of guns freeze up and give users problems.....but i have yet to have a problem with my m98......

[SmartBall]

Originally posted by jizz186
hell if my gun was electro it would have been reuined the first week i played with it.

:: And thats why it was smart of you to not buy an electro, because they are meant for people with just a little more experience.

alot of guns freeze up and give users problems

:: And a lot of people use N2/HPA for their high-end electro's, but Co2 is fine for any M98, in fact it's insides are designed for Co2. I was quite impressed my self with the m98's capabilites to blend paint, but keep on shootin!

[jizz186]

rich c you are the ****ing ***est ******* ive seen in a while. you must think your pretty funny sitting behind a computer talking smack. how old are you ****ing 10

[in trauma]

cockers are they are extremly overated i always see someone having a problem with one!

the are very UNreliable

[yo]

model 98 has to be the most overrated. i've played with one before and i can't say that its all bad but it seems to me everytime i go out to a field nowadays that's all i hear about. i got this upgrade and that upgrade...it doesn't end, its like a 98 convention between breaks, and its got to stop.

the newbies are all into this gun because so many people have them. which is fine but don't spew the same crap you heard from someone elses mouth a week ago and think you know what you're talking about. i don't have a problem with newbies just parrots.

the most annoying of all is the yapping people do about the flatline barrel...it shoots like 30 yards further than this gun or that gun. whatever! basically those people are admitting that they are too soft to play with the rest of their team so they're going to sit back...waaaay back and be a sniper.

i'm sorry to say, there are no snipers in paintball!! and if so why do you need to carry all that paint?

[tj]

Im with yo who ever wants to be a "sniper" must be a real wimp. I like getting shot at or it just gets too boring. My friends allll want to be "snipers", and i am the only one who will move up to shoot at them. Then they are suprised that i shoot about 4 people a game with a crappy gun when they have cockers wit flatlines exc, exc. I WOULD NEVER BE A SNIPER.

[braiden1835]

everyone in my neighborhood has a m98 it suxs a$s only three people have a diff. gun and we have rebels(which suck too in my opinion)

[I win]

In my opinion the Tippman's are highly over rated although they are nice they are plain and come with nothing on them. You have to upgrade them to make them a high end semi.

[abeaucha]

I think its close between angel and M98 in this forum M98 for sure. I played with one they have decent accuracy and all but they are so damed big I could not hide behind pratically anything and be able to snap shoot. played two games with it gun got hit both times.

[Xpert Rifleman]

Timing a Cocker takes all of ten min. It is very reliable.

[ry_goody]

Originally posted by in trauma
cockers are they are extremly overated i always see someone having a problem with one!

the are very UNreliable

No, not really, the other day I went paintballing, the first game I had to sit out because my cocker "was having problems", double shooting, all the bad stuff, no idea why. Alot of people probably thought cockers were "unreliable" because of it (people like you!). BUT the night before I had adjusted the coking rod because I thought it would make it better, but since I don't know EVERYTHING about a cocker yet, I did not know it would mess it up. Then someone who knew a little more about cockers looked at it for a minute and found out thats the problem, he adjusted a screw and it shot flawlessly, just perfet, the rest of the day.

[Richy_C]

cockers, hehe, clickity clickityclickityclickityclickityclickityclickitycl ickity

[ry_goody]

someones on crack :)

[unreal7]

SCREW M98 THEY PISS ME OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!MAN THEY SUCK!!!!!oh yeah ELCD'S SUCK TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jrr112]

m98s are over rated, but the most important thing about them is there are a newbie gun. honestly, when your start paintball you buy a popular gun you hear alot about and in most cases it a m98. but as soon as the newbie gets his head into the game and plays a little they usually make a change. but in some cases the keep the gun and make it worth keeping.

[Savior]

Model 98 because, all of my friends have them, and they arent as great as everyone that owns one sais. Yeah, they're durable YAY, that just means its a newbie gun. Thats probably why so many people say its awesome, because the majority of people who own it are new to the sport. Though it does 'tickle some peoples fancy' muawhaw

[AllOleander]

Can we have a mulitiple vote poll? :)

I would say: Angel, Tippman m98, BooYahh elcds, etc.

[liquidsoul_sm]

I basically agree with everyone. The model 98 is overrated. Spyders are over rated also. At least with a model 98 you don't have to worry about your internals blowing up in your face! Lets see what else, ah yes, the electronic grips for blow backs. Just plain retarded. What the hell is that? What good would it do to put a electronic frame on a crappy spyder or model 98. However, anything over 300, to say that is overrated is ludicrous. In paintball, alot of the times, you get what you pay for. I spent $800 on my BM and i wouldn't take it back for the world. I have bills, but I also manage my money and have a great job. Go ahead and play me with your spyder, you can have all of the skills in the world, but so do I! I also have a gun that will shoot the day lights out of your spyder (even with a ****ty electronic frame!) Model 98's are a waste of time. If you want a good beginner gun, go with a basic mag or cocker, maybe a decent spyder - NOT UPGRADED. Don't waste money on upgrades. Why the hell would people put $300 into a 98 or a spyder? The paintball world is a decieving one that is for sure!

[davidb]

I have a Spyder Shutter, and I'd rather have a Model 98. 98's are much faster than Spyders (yes, this is true, they have a very short, very light trigger pull, as opposed the LONG, slack filled pull of a Spyder). Some people don't like the clamshell design, but I like the fact that you can get at every last internal part and basically be able to have a cut-away view of the internals. My friend who has a 98 Custom needed to borrow my Shutter one time so his dad could use it. He brought his 98 over to my house, and we compared them. The 98 was much better balanced, despite the D/F on the Shutter. Even with all the practice I do trying to improve my ROF on the Spyder, I was still able to pick up the 98 and fire much faster, shooting it for the first time. After he was done with my gun, he then let me borrow his. I took it apart to get a good look at the insides, and then it hit me how easy it would be to do a trigger job on a gun like this. I did one, which took out the miniscule bit of slack that the trigger once had, shortened the pull even further, and even lightened it. The trigger pull was now probably under 2 pounds, and you just barely had to move the trigger to fire. I compared the length and weight of my gun to the 98. The weight difference is there, although barely noticeable, but is made up for by the 98's better balance. The 98 is longer, by 2 inches. Somebody said earlier that 4" was no big deal, so why is 2 inches so huge? If it's that important to you, then get a 10" barrel, it's not like you're really sacrificing a bunch of accuracy. The bottom line is, if you take a Spyder and a Model 98, buy the same barrel for them (since they both need it), and just leave it stock other than that, the 98 will be just as accurate, and much faster. There aren't a whole lot of other factors when you're dealing with to blowback guns. So why is the 98 so overrated?

[Ded]

YOU'RE WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!! YOU CAN JUST GO BURN IN HELL YOU BA$TARD!! um, that was just me saying stuff that I really don't mean, except for the wrong part. I think spyders are better, even though you can shoot faster, maybe, with a 98 the spyder is still a better overall gun, you can do a TLPlus84 trigger job and have it shoot faster than a 98, I think that upgrading a spyder is well worth it and i enjoy my spyder right now more than I could EVER enjoy anything done to ANY m98, i think they are decent guns but I think spyders are better.

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by Ded
YOU'RE WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!! YOU CAN JUST GO BURN IN HELL YOU BA$TARD!! um, that was just me saying stuff that I really don't mean, except for the wrong part. I think spyders are better, even though you can shoot faster, maybe, with a 98 the spyder is still a better overall gun, you can do a TLPlus84 trigger job and have it shoot faster than a 98, I think that upgrading a spyder is well worth it and i enjoy my spyder right now more than I could EVER enjoy anything done to ANY m98, i think they are decent guns but I think spyders are better.

I agree, spyders are fun and i think they are just designed better than m98s.

Its also fun to build spyders, i love my custom spyder!

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by vwtrucker1
I dont find Model 98s to be over rated at all. I take on Angels with my 98 Flatline and I kill them. WHile Angels are dumping there hoppers in 15 seconds I just advance and unload on them. Plus I get the range. I dont want to hear that M98's are over rated because in my opinion they dont get enough ratings for how well they perform.
Em, BS. I highly doubt you eliminate every angel you see. What if an angel owner picked up a m98 and played you, would you do the same? so you should say then "I dont find Model 98s to be over rated at all. I take on m98s with my 98 Flatline and I kill them. WHile m98s are dumping there hoppers in 15 seconds I just advance and unload on them. Plus I get the range." Not so much fun to trash talk while your hiding behind your modem and some on cuts you logic in 2 is it?

[jdw_56]

cut that bs logic richy!! cut it good! m98's hahahahahaha. buy a 10 lb block of lead and attach a blowgun if you want something cheaper.

[jdw_56]

cut that bs logic richy!! cut it good! m98's hahahahahaha. buy a 10 lb block of lead and attach a blowgun if you want something cheaper.

[Savior]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
Aim is in the barrel and consistency of your air system, not alot of it has to do with the gun.
Then how comes autocockers seem so damn accurate :eek:
Maybe its because of the boomstick that was on it, but MAN was it accurate, and it looked so cool. I want one now :(

[moodydoody]

model 98s are a little overrated, but thats stock, after you put a couple of thing on them they perform well for the money not super but well. I do think that they are overrated just like Electro blowbacks, they perform well but will never match mags, cockers, bushy, or any other high end gun. think about what you are comparing it to, I saw lots of people comparing them to high end guns and saying they suck. NO DUH. of course they will suck compared to nice guns because they are beginner guns not nice ones. I am getting a bushy or cocker soon and I must say I liked my model 98 allot. like I said earlier, they are over rated but that does not mean they stink, they are good guns just not worth all the hype. and they are not that reliable either. if you loose the valve screw well your screwed they loose to much of the blowback gas to recock, and this happened to all my friends with 98s at some time or another.

[alex]

has to be the m98 they are just way to everrated(sp?) i don't know why everone thinks they are so good yeah there durable but trigger pull sux and im not bashing i just don't like it.

[Guesswho?]

I would have to say the model 98 is way to over rated!

[PiranhaPro]

DYE barrels, a J&J, CP, or Lapco will all shoot just as good, for less than half the price.

Electro grips, why the fuss? A fully tricked blowback will shoot just as good as a fully tricked angel(woah thats gonna start some flames, bring it on:))

[Richy_C]

and that ain't so, but i won't debate, just cause some people fail to realize there is something better, now that i think about it, spyders are overated

[PiranhaPro]

No, I wanted someone to respond, Im not gonna go crazy and flame you, I like debates, please explain your side...

[Richy_C]

I've tried to but people with the anti High end mind set never listen

[tj]

i listen do tell why

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by Richy_C
I've tried to but people with the anti High end mind set never listen

So now your assuming that im anti high end? Im about a month away from a bushy, is that not a high end gun? Im nowhere near anti high end, i simply stated that blowbacks with perform as well as an angel, the only thing the angel has over a blowback is that the blowback will always have a very small amount of kick.

[tj]

i want your fishy

[PiranhaPro]

No way, fishy stays:)