Tippman or Spyder Xtra

[DarkFalcon]

I'm getting a new gun replacing my brass eagle stingray. Which one should I get and why, a Tippman or Spyder Xtra?

[keyhead]

well dont expect an unbiased responce in this forum but, my friend has an xtra and personaly I'd take my tippmann over it anyday.. Its all personal preference though, i just love my tippmann...

[reneirwolf878]

i have an xtra my friend too has an xtra and my other friend and his dad have tippmans. They are both very good guns. The xtra i think is better at speedball cause it is smaller and the tippman CAN be better at woods if u have a good barrel. The xtra and most spyders have a quick strip pin that allows for easy access to the gun for cleaning but the tippman is somewhat difficult to take apart altho it will work just fine when dirty cause its really rugged. If u get a gun i say the xtra :) but go 2 a local store and try them out and c how they feel. happy huntin

[tonysk83]

my friends xtra is always breaking, my tippy is never breaking:D

[reneirwolf878]

breakin? how? my xtra is fine and dandy, does he take caer of it?

[paint pb balla]

personnelly i would choose ALMOST any spyder over a tippman. Just becuase i own a spyder. A spyder is way easier to upgrade and there are alot easier to find (upgrades) but tippmans are alot more durable than a spyder but it doesnt matter to me its not like im gonna go drop my gun off a cliff or drop it. well i wouldnt pick the sonix or any wally world marker (referring to the spyders )over the tippy hope i helped

[AvalonGT]

tippmann

[Codestar20]

All of you are saying "tippmann" or "get the tippy because my friend's spyder is always breaking". How about putting some thought behind your posts so you don't sound like a moron. :rolleyes:

I have a Spyder Xtra as you can see. It's a great gun. Anything can be fixed within 5 mins (try that with a tippy :P ). It has vertical feed which I perfer. It makes it a much more balanced gun, especially with the drop forward. The stock barrel on the Xtra really isn't too bad if you use the right paint. I have a Dye 12" SS and it's amazing. The double trigger is nice. Makes it for faster and easier firing. Stock I could get about 7-8 bps. Now with a 3mm trigger job it's about around 9-10bps. Rarely do I ever do that though. The Spyder is also more upgradable. Before you tippy owners start on me, think about this: Can you build a tippmann from all aftermarket part which are TPI own parts? (ie flatline, RT trigger). No you can't. I am also right handed. On the 98C, the feed sticks out on the right side. Not good for peaking out of bunkers or from behind trees because you have that hopper out there in the open. Now I know I am biased but I feel the Xtra is just better. Don't get me wrong, the Tippy is good too but it lacks the stock features that other guns in it's price range come with.

This should really be moved to the Blow back forum so responses aren't so one sided.

[dinky26]

First of all tippmanns are more accurate and more reliable and they are a great semi-auto. If you want to show off then dont get the tippmann, get the spyder. If you want to kill people and not worry about your gun screwing up get the tippmann. I've used a tippmann 98 custom for a whole year and i'll tell you now as a beginner tournament players its probably the best semi-auto for 150$ I think you should buy your tippmann used because your going to want to get a cocker or electro in another year or two so you don't want to buy a tippmann brand new for a lot when their are plenty of cheap tippmanns available. I'm selling mine for a great deal. You can contact me if your intereseted its in my signature. Good luck get a tippmann.

[xXhappyAznXx]

i dont know why people say blah blah is more accurate than blah blah
i bet its some freak accident that their gun is more accurate than someone elses
spyder hmm a spyder is easy to take care of to me and it works fine
tippman i never used it so i dotn wanna say anything
i dont know if tippman is truly more accurate
my spyder is pretty accurate
but this is in the tippman section
you ll get more positive thoughts about tippmans here

[specter542]

Originally posted by tonysk83
my friends xtra is always breaking, my tippy is never breaking:D
two of my friends have XTRA's and they are always leaking from the vertical adapter and where the steel braided hose connects to the ASA....i also dont like how badly those guns chop paint. it fires so damn fast....one of them has a 12volt and it still chopped...i just dont like how the barrel is so damn paint picky.

[reneirwolf878]

i used pmi premiums w/ my stock barrel, didnt break ANYTHING. I also shot 3 year old balls, worked just fine and my hose and my friends hose doesn't leak either. There's also this one dude at our field he's upgraded everything but the hose on his gun.

[SaVaC]

I have never used an xtra, but i have used several other spiders, like the shutter which i own, and tl plus, and i own a tippmann m98c. Sure spiders can shoot nice, and tippys do to, sure spiders have a lot of upgrades, but they arn't as easy as the tippy's upgrades to install in my opinion. spiders generaly come mostly upgraded as it is, and most of the time they don't need much more than they come with. and a stock m98 is good too, but there are a few usefull kits out there that really make it shine. but when it comes down to durrability, the m98 takes the cake, it is litteraly a rock, i've never had mine break beyond use. where i can't say that about my shutter. although the shutters problems wern't all that major they nocked the gun out for the game. And tippy's are dirt simple to fix, sure it takes a few min's to get the gun apart and back together, but tippmann fixed that design flaw with their new gun the a-5... Either way it's all up to you, if you can get to a proshop and shoot both of them, see which gun feel's better to you, and then buy it. either way you will end up with a good quality gun for the price.

[Novocain]

Well i see some idiots that say the Xtra is more upgradable than a tippy, which it barley is. So just say They are equal, because they just about are. Also The tippmanns are built better all around, more reliable, less maintenance. I owned both, an Xtra(excuse me owned an Xtra, see why in a second), and an original 98 and now own a 98 Custom and the 98C is just a lot better i think. The xtra WAS ok, equal to the 98 in performance, really they are equal performers. Then my Xtras entire powerfeed broke off, simply broke, and i took good care of it. So after it went away, i got rid of it for $25 (it was all that it was worth), and sold my old model 98 to buy my model 98 Custom.
Almost a year later with my custom and it still works great, never had 1 problem, and its nearly all after market (not needed but why not).
So what i will say is this... if you want something Reliable, that performs just like an xtra, is basically as upgradable, comes with awesome customer service (KINGMAN'S CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS!), and will never break.. get a tippman. I feel they are over all better, except they perform the same, and the xtra does balance a bit better, and has a stock ROF that is better. If you want a better ROF take a double trigger to your custom. Honestly if you can't make up your mind go try out and shoot both, but i really recommend a tippmann 98C
Buy the 98 Custom, you will not be disappointed.

[reneirwolf878]

i have a 1 year warranty on my xtra and i can get free fixes at my shop. but its been all nice and dandy know.

[Codestar20]

Originally posted by Novocain
Well i see some idiots that say the Xtra is more upgradable than a tippy, which it barley is. So just say They are equal, because they just about are. Also The tippmanns are built better all around, more reliable, less maintenance. I owned both, an Xtra(excuse me owned an Xtra, see why in a second), and an original 98 and now own a 98 Custom and the 98C is just a lot better i think. The xtra WAS ok, equal to the 98 in performance, really they are equal performers. Then my Xtras entire powerfeed broke off, simply broke, and i took good care of it. So after it went away, i got rid of it for $25 (it was all that it was worth), and sold my old model 98 to buy my model 98 Custom.
Almost a year later with my custom and it still works great, never had 1 problem, and its nearly all after market (not needed but why not).
So what i will say is this... if you want something Reliable, that performs just like an xtra, is basically as upgradable, comes with awesome customer service (KINGMAN'S CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS!), and will never break.. get a tippman. I feel they are over all better, except they perform the same, and the xtra does balance a bit better, and has a stock ROF that is better. If you want a better ROF take a double trigger to your custom. Honestly if you can't make up your mind go try out and shoot both, but i really recommend a tippmann 98C
Buy the 98 Custom, you will not be disappointed.

Are you referring to me (the so called "idiot" that thinks a spyder is more upgradeable)? :laugh: I really didn't want to post is this thread again because it goes no where but after I read your post, I decided I had too. First of all, spyders are more upgradeable. As I said in my first post, can you build a tippmann from all aftermarket parts (body, even springs and screws)? Nope, and if one has been done, I'd love to see it. I've had my Xtra well over a year with no problems. How did yours have so many? It's called maintenance dude. Just to clarify one more thing, the Xtra doesn't have powerfeed. It was the first Spyder series gun to have vertical feed. Everyone knows this. I wonder if that was a typo in your post or you just didn't know the difference between vertical feed and powerfeed.

[Novocain]

Yes i have been playing over 5 years (ok 4 talons don't count.).

1. Did i mention your name as an idiot? If i wanted to call you an idiot i would have typed your name out, you genius.

2. I never mentioned that the 98C was MORE upgradable, i said it was almost as upgradable as a spyder. And yes: Screws, springs can be aftermarket.. The Frame can't be replaced.. o it can, i could order the frame that is white, or one 32* makes?! Yes wait a minute, i think it is possible, a completely aftermarket tippman! Think a maddman spring set, lapco set of screws, and bolts, everything, wow look at that, an aftermarket gun! Guess you don't know your tippmanns well. Sorry my gun isn't all aftermarket for ya, but it well on its way.

3. Sorry, i did make a mistake, the vertical feed, which is "built in" broke off. I think i know what maintenance is, after all, after you buy a gun i dont think im going to hit it with a car to see if i can break its feed off. I take excellent care of all my guns.

[Codestar20]

Originally posted by Novocain
Yes i have been playing over 5 years (ok 4 talons don't count.).

1. Did i mention your name as an idiot? If i wanted to call you an idiot i would have typed your name out, you genius.

2. I never mentioned that the 98C was MORE upgradable, i said it was almost as upgradable as a spyder. And yes: Screws, springs can be aftermarket.. The Frame can't be replaced.. o it can, i could order the frame that is white, or one 32* makes?! Yes wait a minute, i think it is possible, a completely aftermarket tippman! Think a maddman spring set, lapco set of screws, and bolts, everything, wow look at that, an aftermarket gun! Guess you don't know your tippmanns well. Sorry my gun isn't all aftermarket for ya, but it well on its way.

3. Sorry, i did make a mistake, the vertical feed, which is "built in" broke off. I think i know what maintenance is, after all, after you buy a gun i dont think im going to hit it with a car to see if i can break its feed off. I take excellent care of all my guns.

1) Why is there so much bitterness? You might as well have typed my name out. It sure as heck seemed like you were talking to me. But maybe you weren't...

2) But where is the aftermarket body? Can you get a turbo valve? Totally aftermarket internals that aren't made by Tippmann? We aren't talking about those overpriced kits that Tippmann sells. I am talking about individual parts. That's good you have a good performing Tippmann. My friends tippy treated him well for 3 years until his powertube wore out.

3) Where did it break off from? I've never had a problem with mine. It's been fine for well over a year and a half. And yes, I do take great care of my guns.

[Novocain]

You can put the following on to make it aftermarket:

Full Boar flush cocking(Rear bolt, and additional)
maddman spring kits (replaces all the springs)
phsycho ballistics powertube/front bolt
Triggers (rt, double, e bolts, all kind of stuff)
Vertical adapters
new microline
stainless steel screw set from lapco
barrels
a new body (from tippmann, 32*, or probally a custom dealer)
And more, i can think of about 1 part that can't be replaced maybe 2. That might be good, because you dont need it replaced. However more and more additions are appearing for the Custom.

The Vetical feed happened to break right where it forms into the body of the gun, the one side cracked, and then it fell off.
Really they perform equally, i play woods a lot, so i need a rugged gun. It's all preference between Tippmanns and Spyders, They both have strong points, and both perform about equally.

[jimmy777]

id have to say that its not really the gun that wins the game, its the person! But if i had to chhose i would say tippmann. My friend came over to my house all excited about getting his spyder xtra in the mail that day. So we put on the co2 and sure enough air was leaking out of the vertical adapter. After shooting about ten balls one of them broke. I have gone through over 3500 balls and have only had 3 ball breaks !!! There are some things that i liked about the xtra. It did have a nice feel and well in the end i realized that the only difference is that u will probably have more problems with a spyder than a tippy!

[Codestar20]

Originally posted by Novocain
You can put the following on to make it aftermarket:

Full Boar flush cocking(Rear bolt, and additional)
maddman spring kits (replaces all the springs)
phsycho ballistics powertube/front bolt
Triggers (rt, double, e bolts, all kind of stuff)
Vertical adapters
new microline
stainless steel screw set from lapco
barrels
a new body (from tippmann, 32*, or probally a custom dealer)
And more, i can think of about 1 part that can't be replaced maybe 2. That might be good, because you dont need it replaced. However more and more additions are appearing for the Custom.

The Vetical feed happened to break right where it forms into the body of the gun, the one side cracked, and then it fell off.
Really they perform equally, i play woods a lot, so i need a rugged gun. It's all preference between Tippmanns and Spyders, They both have strong points, and both perform about equally.

That's weird about the vertical feed. My Xtra's vert feed is screwed into the gun with a screw on the front and on the back. Don't know how yours was formed, as you say. My Spyder is rugged enough for woods play. One time playing in some snow, I slipped and fell while running to a bunker. The gun went flying one way, me the other. I had to drive out of the bunker to get my gun and hopper (that flew off my gun too). :laugh: It was really funny. Just goes to show ya that Spyders aren't at delicate as people make them out to be. Well this is an interesting debate...

jimmy777- How will you have more problems with a Spyder than a Tippy? Did your friend know that Spyders come dry? Probably not. Oil would have fixed that.:rolleyes:

[reneirwolf878]

i didnt oil up my gun the first time i played w/ it, worked like a dream. i oil after every use tho, thats only 3 so far :)

[tonysk83]

this debate is never ending, to start it seems that spyders in general come with useless upgrades, like mini expansion chambers, bottomline regs, which r a joke, mini drops, and so on, also the stock pull on a spyder is long, mechanical spyders that is, the pull on a stock tippy is very very short

[Madoc]

Sigh people people you really think your going to be getting a even amount of suggestions when u ask this in a tippmann forum?

[reneirwolf878]

two of my good friends have tippmans. they got them cause it feels better for them. i got my xtra cause it was comfy and ncie looking. they say my xtra is ugly, i say the 98c is ugly, its just preference.

[specter542]

Originally posted by reneirwolf878
i used pmi premiums w/ my stock barrel, didnt break ANYTHING. I also shot 3 year old balls, worked just fine and my hose and my friends hose doesn't leak either. There's also this one dude at our field he's upgraded everything but the hose on his gun.
mmmmmm ok... i've seen numerous XTRA's in action and w/o a 12volt revvy Xboard, and a lighter trigger finger, its gonna keep on chopping

[reneirwolf878]

i know 5 people w/ xtras and they only bad thing ive heard from 1 guy w/ his green one was that the hose it came w/ sucked. the new one that i have is a ss hose. and no one chops. only one person w/ it uses a revvy but he shoots fast so yea, he needs it. i take my time and aim and im not a fast firing man so i find the use of a revvy for me anyways, pointless.