View Full Version : A Flatline alternative for creating backspin????
DADGUMMIT!
06-27-2002, 06:51 PM
I had an idea the other day for creating backspin on a paintball , and I thought I would run it by you guys. Suppose you took a barrel and somehow altered the inside of the barrel so that the top half was significantly rougher than the bottom half. Wouldn't the friction on the top half of the ball create a significant backspin? I think it would , and I also think this would be alot easier than calibrating a flatline. I'd appreciate your opinions on this , especially you technical geniuses out there.
Pookister569
06-27-2002, 08:49 PM
heh, i think tippmann took a long time at making the flatline barrel and they stuck with the curved barrel because it's the best.
ur idea may work but i doubt it would work as well as the flatline
sniper14
06-28-2002, 07:25 AM
u could do all that **** or u could just do what this one kid did at m98center.com put a bit of masking tape in the top of your barrel
Madoc
06-28-2002, 08:33 AM
or you could just buy a flatline
tonysk83
06-28-2002, 08:34 AM
i think that is the best idea
Madoc
06-28-2002, 08:39 AM
sigh you people try to come up with all these crazy ideas by the time u get something to work its either a piece of @^#$ or you spend 2 times as much as the original product which is 10 times better
sniper14
06-28-2002, 09:33 AM
i already have the flatline
Yeah, this old idea.
A barrel that's straight, but at the same time for this to work decently it must be at least 14" in length.
Dual parallel lined portings all along the top of of the barrel after 4". That will release some of the top pressure on the ball, making the bottom pressure push harder. Helping with backspin effect.
A very rough top, basically honed bare metal. No polish at all on the top. But on the bottom, an extremely slick polish to allow it to also help create backspin.
Will this work? Yes, it actually will. To a certain extent. If it'll actually duplicate the success rate of the Flatline, that's another story.
you can also get a large bore barrel and use a thin layer of glue. it takes a while to get it just right but you can usually file the glue down until you get it perfect. i have heard of some people using 6 inch barrels and getting the backspin effect of a flatline...minus the length of the barrel. this is what i have heard from some people so i am not really sure how well it works. if you are going to try it i reccomend getting a crappy/cheap barrel and try it out...i doubt any of you would really try it on a freak barrel... :)
sniper14
06-29-2002, 06:15 PM
can u say stock barrel? that sounds like it would work, i dont think im gonna try it though
and the guy that wrote plans on how to do it... did it on a stock stingray barrel i believe...lol... it would be funny to be tagged out from "flatline" distance by a stock stingray barrel...
specter542
06-29-2002, 07:53 PM
Originally posted by Madoc
or you could just buy a flatline
lol...ur very right. i think this is just some goof who wants to sound intelectual in hopes making an alternative to something already sucessfull..
the flatline is one of a kind...notice how no one has dared attempted to recreate its perfection
DADGUMMIT!
06-29-2002, 08:44 PM
Originally posted by specter542
lol...ur very right. i think this is just some goof who wants to sound intelectual in hopes making an alternative to something already sucessfull..
the flatline is one of a kind...notice how no one has dared attempted to recreate its perfection Hey DIP$H*** , I wish you would please point out to me the part where I'm trying to sound "intelectual" All I did was suggest an idea that I thought might work. And your probably right , it most likely wouldn't create nearly as much backspin. but you shouldn't count an idea out until it has been researched and tested. And if you think the Flatline is perfect , then think again. You can always build a better mousetrap.
Killerbob
06-29-2002, 08:57 PM
I don't think the friction-barrel thing will work very well at all. However, it does work (although it's much more complicated) to use some sort of motor and a spinning wheel that gives the ball spin before its shot - that's what Airsoft guns use, and it works quite well.
sniper14
06-30-2002, 08:27 AM
Originally posted by CruX
and the guy that wrote plans on how to do it... did it on a stock stingray barrel i believe...lol... it would be funny to be tagged out from "flatline" distance by a stock stingray barrel...
some guy milled out a stingray to fit a flatline on it, he called it his Flat-Ray, or mab it was Sting-Line. i dont know
Specter and Madoc...
With that mindset of "just buy what's already out" I don't think we'd have HALF the innovations within this sport we do today.
It's people that find variations and other ways to make a product work that are innovators and help make more better quality products.
If we all thought like you, we wouldn't have anything but 007's still!
sniper14
06-30-2002, 08:40 AM
thats right, if people didnt want to make things better than everyone would b suck w/ those *** BE masks, BE paintballs, and 10rnd sticks insead of Halos.
Sniper, what the? That was one of the most retarded pieces of gibberish I've ever seen!
Why did you even post that? Why are you finding any and all reason behind your childish BE bashing that isn't even relevant to this topic?
sniper14
06-30-2002, 06:00 PM
sorry i am full of shame, i have found the error in my ways i am sorry sensay:sulk:
specter542
06-30-2002, 06:10 PM
but meph....wouldn't someone already have tried to if they thought that the flatlines precision could be duplicated....if tippmann thought that the flatline needed a "face lift" im sure that they would already have done so, or are in the process of....
i am not disagreeing to innovation...ur right, without innovation there would be no autococker, tippmann etc...but there is a point where u just need to accept what ya got and move along...i mean, why waste time when ya got what ur looking for only a few mouse clicks away...and its success is near perfection. why risk exposing something that could potentially be a failure...i mean to have spent all that time to only have made something that in the end was fruitless, u could end up wanting to kick urself...but if u all really think that the flatlines capability can be duplicated, go right ahead
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them- Albert Einstein
and sniper...wtf are u talking about?! would u quit being an idiot please? what type of mask do u own? b/c if it is a JT, im gonna have to come over and smack u real hard...BE owns JT.
Originally posted by specter542
but meph....wouldn't someone already have tried to if they thought that the flatlines precision could be duplicated....if tippmann thought that the flatline needed a "face lift" im sure that they would already have done so, or are in the process of....
i am not disagreeing to innovation...ur right, without innovation there would be no autococker, tippmann etc...but there is a point where u just need to accept what ya got and move along...i mean, why waste time when ya got what ur looking for only a few mouse clicks away...and its success is near perfection. why risk exposing something that could potentially be a failure...i mean to have spent all that time to only have made something that in the end was fruitless, u could end up wanting to kick urself...but if u all really think that the flatlines capability can be duplicated, go right ahead
The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them- Albert Einstein
and sniper...wtf are u talking about?! would u quit being an idiot please? what type of mask do u own? b/c if it is a JT, im gonna have to come over and smack u real hard...BE owns JT.
Why? Maybe because there's also that chance of stumbling across a prototype that'll blow the Flatline out of the water? One that'll be more reliable and less finiky?
Innovaters never say "**** it, what I have is good enough, there's NO room for improvement." If they said that, they wouldn't be innovaters!
Also, Einstein isn't that smart, don't bother quoting him. For starters, in his time he didn't even believe that nuclear devices were going to be reality in his lifetime. Yet they created one for the Manhatten project and WWII.
Besides, it's I before E except after C. So Einstein gots it wrong TWO times in his own name!
The Mafia
07-01-2002, 04:18 AM
Meph...I have always enjoyed reading your posts. They have always been well thought out and intelligent resposes, rather than the rantings of some ill-informed lunatic (god knows we get a lot of that around here).
PLEASE tell me that the "Einstein wasn't that smart" comment was just a joke!!!
Not totally. Well, would you rather I tell about how when a child they declaired him braindead? Or how about a total lack of common sense of things as simple as just looking both ways before crossing the street?
So no, I am serious. With his genius, he was an idiot! In a manner of speaking.
sniper14
07-01-2002, 06:43 AM
Originally posted by specter542
........and sniper...wtf are u talking about?! would u quit being an idiot please? what type of mask do u own? b/c if it is a JT, im gonna have to come over and smack u real hard...BE owns JT.
yea i was in one of those wacked out moods the other day when i posted last, as a matter o fact i do have a jt mask, it was cheap, the mask i have is a step up from the BE ones at Evil-mart, i know the cheapness, when they say fog resistant that is only in the box. *puts on cevlar helmet* start smacking cuz im too cheap to buy a good mask.
specter542
07-01-2002, 08:06 AM
the only reason why i quoted einstein was b/c i thought that the quote was best fit and would make my argument more efficacious...
and the whole thing about, Besides, it's I before E except after C. So Einstein gots it wrong TWO times in his own name! ,
isn't that grammatical rule only in the ENGLISH LANGUAGE, Einstein is GERMAN...but i could be wrong. and i doubt that how his name is spelled had anything to do with his credibility and intelligence....i mean i doubt he considered changing the spelling of his name for the sole purpose of making it grammatically correct
Novocain
07-01-2002, 09:51 AM
ok Specter i'm not worried about my spelling, so don't worry about searching through my post for no reason and trying to pick out grammar errors. Wow you have a cool life don't you? Just wanted to say that JT masks are good, they have a great rep and work great. Now specter (Assuming you are 13 by your attitude) you can come over and smack me all you want, girls smack, guys like me punch hahaha. The flatline (properly installed, and 'sighted' in) will shoot very accurate, and as we all know very far. I'm sure you could have an alternative to the flatline That could work just as well or better. Maybe in a year or 2 there will be a new barrel out there, time will tell.
Ok one last thing. Hey specter i heard that K-mart is having a blue light special on comedy books... You better stack up :laugh:
specter542
07-01-2002, 10:12 AM
novocain, whoa ur a big man but i wouldn't let ur mind wander...its too small to be on its own. btw im 16, i have my own car (2002 VW Jetta), and i can put my money where my mouth is. u must have been given a wood carving instead of a brain b/c u show no character buddy...
im done w/ this thread...so its off to k-mart for me.
this thread needs to get back on track.
specter542
07-01-2002, 10:14 AM
btw, u dont need to educate me on the flatline...i left that up to myself some time ago. :wink2:
Novocain
07-01-2002, 10:48 AM
haha looks like my mind is to small to be on its own. I have a wood carving because the words i type show no character :laugh: I won't say what im tempted to do..
yea he's right lets get it back on track.. o with me and specter gone i think it will be hahaha
you kids need to simmer down. i don't care how einstein spells his name, the definition of innovator, or how much money you have specter. oh yeah specter if you are so intelectual you wouldn't be in this thread posting smart elic responses to other people. quit trying to act like your some hot shot... this is an on-line forum... and by the way you guys, tippman owns hella-rights on flatline barrels. the entire idea behind the shape of the barrel is a trademark of tippman now. i believe tippman signed a contract with the guys at wgp. at least thats what i have read from different sources (correct me if i am wrong). as for the idea behind the flatline. it can be tampered with because its far from perfect. lets compare the flatline to other barrels...
(1) a normal barrel -- just screw it in
(1) a flatline barrel -- put on adapter, insert barrel into adapter, tighten adapter, test barrel and if it doesn't shoot straight re-adjust. when you get the barrel perfectly straight add some sort of adhesive.
(2) a normal barrel -- shoot at about any angle and get the same effect
(2) a flatline barrel -- hold barrel up right straight. if you do not fire when the barrel is up right and straight you will fire paint every which way.
(3) a normal barrel -- no cheap plastic shroud around it.
(3) a flatline barrel -- cheap plastic shroud. if you take it off it looks like a very large...bannanna (wink-wink) shaped object
well i am just trying to say that tippman can improve on it. other companies can too. all we had were straight barrels, no porting, no rifling. now we have spiral porting, fluting, rifling, and bent barrels. you see, if people said that the first barrels were perfectly fine and know one can improve on them, then we wouldn't have this barrel that you guys are arguing about. no barrel is truly perfect in a sense...cause if it was everyone would have it...
why does everyone have to be so argumentative...
sorry if you guys hate me now. i am just a little tired of you guys arguing in this thread. dadgummit was just stating an idea... and everyone had to get pissy with each other over personal beliefs...
Originally posted by specter542
the only reason why i quoted einstein was b/c i thought that the quote was best fit and would make my argument more efficacious...
and the whole thing about, ,
isn't that grammatical rule only in the ENGLISH LANGUAGE, Einstein is GERMAN...but i could be wrong. and i doubt that how his name is spelled had anything to do with his credibility and intelligence....i mean i doubt he considered changing the spelling of his name for the sole purpose of making it grammatically correct
It's a ****ing joke, man. Loosen up, if you honestly took me serious about the I before E crap then you gotta be tighter than a noose at the Gallows!
Originally posted by Novocain
...you can come over and smack me all you want, girls smack, guys like me punch hahaha.
Not necessarily. Pimps also smack, and the vast majority of all Pimps in the United States, Canada, and the Soviet Union are guys.
Villhime98c
07-01-2002, 12:41 PM
I've done the ghetto masking tape at the top of the barrel mod, and I noticed a slight increase in range, and a flatter trajectory.
Novocain
07-01-2002, 03:25 PM
lol meph
Blackfire
07-01-2002, 03:43 PM
Everyone seems to be asking why anyone would try to make a different type of backspin barrel when they have a perfectly good flatline they could buy. Has anyone even considered the fact that the flatline costs like $100? Are you all fricking millionaires?! Sheesh. Also, at least for me, its fun making your own mods.
Novocain
07-05-2002, 07:38 PM
a really, i mean if you already have an aftermarket barrel, then you got a stock barrel too. And we all know the stock barrels accuracy wont get much worse, so why not mess around with it.
sniper14
07-06-2002, 06:38 AM
i just pollished mine and it shines like a mirror, i could put a glue in there or sumthing.
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