For the people who didn't believe non-electro semis could shoot 10+ balls per second.

[ry_goody]

http://ry_goodies.homestead.com/files/cocker_shoot.wav

That is a recording of me shooting my 2000 cocker shooting at nearly 11 balls per second. My cocker doens't have any fancy trigger job, it just had a plain ol' autococker 2000 trigger when that was recorded.

This is a picture of the gun I am shooting http://ry_goodies.homestead.com/files/cocker.jpg

[Richy_C]

we just said blowback couln't do it

[in trauma]

a 98 with an rt isn't electro and it is electro but it gets more thna 10 a sec

and i can make a mod to my gun in 2 sec to mek it shoot more than 10 a sec!!!

[MateoTheConquerer]

Pretty mutch any gun with the right person behind the trigger can get 10+ balls per second

[Ded]

no, I'm pretty sure most blowbacks with stock triggers will max out at around 7 or 8

[ry_goody]

No they won't, if you compare a blowback like tippmann to a cocker you will see that the tippmann can achieve higher rates of fire because all the hammer has to do is go forward and then instantly return back. In a cocker hammer has to go forward, back block has to come back and then go forward. Thats 3 movements instead of the tippmanns 2, therefore a tippmanns cycle for 1 shot takes less time than a cockers cycle and allows it to fire faster. Also, anyone who has shot a model 98 and a 2000 cocker knows the trigger on the model 98 is shorter and light. It would only be easier to shoot a model 98 that fast.

[in trauma]

i tested my trigger pull and it is under 2 1/2 half pounds that is on a stock trigger model 98 custom and the pull distance is 2mm

if oyu know anything about real guns a shotgun trigger pull is around 8 pounds and any other gunis about 3-4lbs.

only match grade .22's have 2lbs. and smaller

[ockey]

I did that rubber band trigger mod thats on m9center.com. I can shoot pretty fast but i have no clue how mant times i can pull the trigger a second. I estimate that the trigger pull is about 1/4 to 1/2 of a pound compared to the regular 9 trigger pull which is already really light it's scary how many shots you can rapp off in a short amount of time.

[MateoTheConquerer]

why did the real guns come into play ???

[ry_goody]

To figure out how many balls you can shoot take record youself shooting as fast as you can sound recorded, then use the "delete before current position"\"delete after current position" to section off a 1 second time period where your shooting your fastest. Then slow it down and count how many shots there are.

[in trauma]

just talking about trigger pull

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by in trauma
a 98 with an rt isn't electro and it is electro but it gets more thna 10 a sec

and i can make a mod to my gun in 2 sec to mek it shoot more than 10 a sec!!!
sorry, i won't believe it until i hear a sound file and a time/sound chart with it

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by ry_goody
No they won't, if you compare a blowback like tippmann to a cocker you will see that the tippmann can achieve higher rates of fire because all the hammer has to do is go forward and then instantly return back. In a cocker hammer has to go forward, back block has to come back and then go forward. Thats 3 movements instead of the tippmanns 2, therefore a tippmanns cycle for 1 shot takes less time than a cockers cycle and allows it to fire faster. Also, anyone who has shot a model 98 and a 2000 cocker knows the trigger on the model 98 is shorter and light. It would only be easier to shoot a model 98 that fast.

That's some pretty twisted logic. By that logic, if I dropped 4 baseballs from 1 foot, and 1 baseball from a feet and a half, because the 4 baseballs involve 4 things moving, they would take longer to hit the ground? Just because a cocker has more moving parts dont mean a thing

[ry_goody]

No twicho, what you said is some pretty twisted logic because the three movements of a cocker (sear release, back block goes back, back block goes forward) do not happen at at the same time like you were thinking with your ball comparison, they happen one after the next. If you drop 4 baseballs delaying the next one you drop by a milisecond it will take longer for all 4 to hit the ground compared to the 1 ball.

AND richy_c listen to the wav of me shooting my cocker shooting, save it and slow it down in sound recorder and count how many times in the 1 second it shoots. If you think about it, it is only easier to shoot a tippmann that fast because a light\shorter\non-short strokable trigger.

[in trauma]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
Originally posted by ry_goody
No they won't, if you compare a blowback like tippmann to a cocker you will see that the tippmann can achieve higher rates of fire because all the hammer has to do is go forward and then instantly return back. In a cocker hammer has to go forward, back block has to come back and then go forward. Thats 3 movements instead of the tippmanns 2, therefore a tippmanns cycle for 1 shot takes less time than a cockers cycle and allows it to fire faster. Also, anyone who has shot a model 98 and a 2000 cocker knows the trigger on the model 98 is shorter and light. It would only be easier to shoot a model 98 that fast.

That's some pretty twisted logic. By that logic, if I dropped 4 baseballs from 1 foot, and 1 baseball from a feet and a half, because the 4 baseballs involve 4 things moving, they would take longer to hit the ground? Just because a cocker has more moving parts dont mean a thing


no man their is a law in physics that says the following

if you drop 2 things from the same distance they will hit the ground at the same time no matter how much either ways
BUT if one of the objects has a displaceing characteristic like a feather or piece of paper then they wont hit at the same time

so your "example" isn't a good one

[elTwitcho]

So what though, think of it this way, the cycle time on an intimidator is about 16ms making it's max cyclic rate about 62 cycles per second. It's a lower pressure gun, so the cycle will be longer than others, lets quote the M98 at being 12ms for a max cyclic rate of 83 cycles. The cockers we'll put at much longer than the M98s at 20 ms and 50 cycles per second. You're telling me that you'll be shooting your M98 fast enough that a cocker couldnt cycle fast enough to keep up with you? That'd be pulling the trigger 50 times in a second, and somehow I just dont see it.

[Creek]

sounds too me like even if or even did what everyone saying its all spray and pray.your not going to be able to place a ball worth a dam trying to lay paint out.So whats the point.if you shoot 100 bps and i am shooting 5 mine are being placed where i want it,yours be placed where you hope its going too be.

[ry_goody]

in trauma, I said that if you drop multiple things dropping 1 after the next and not at the same time than it will take longer if you dropped only one.

Twicho, I am not saying a m98 can shoot faster than a super cocker or something, I am saying that if my cocker with stock ram, stock inline reg and stock 3way can shoot that fast, than a m98 certainly is very capable of shooting that fast.

[elTwitcho]

So... then... why were we arguing again?

[ry_goody]

You were trying to say that a blowback couldn't shoot that fast.