WHO CHEATS?

[yo]

i read something that someone wrote, where they claimed they've "never"cheated before, whether he knew or not. can anyone actually claim they've never cheated? realize this question doesn't matter if you didn't know you were cheating such as being hit somewhere you couldn't see it or feel it.

[MateoTheConquerer]

becausr i havent Damnit........

[yo]

you actually don't have any real reason that would make me believe that you're telling the truth. my reasons are simple...human nature...ignorance is bliss...or you didn't know. your reason: i am the one in a million that has never cheated accidently or otherwise. i would say my reasoning is less flawed then yours. think about my answers and reasons before you write anything else.

[MateoTheConquerer]

i admit to cheatin gin other stuff but NEVER in paintball ......

[yo]

okay man, i believe you now and so does everyone else....

[MateoTheConquerer]

DAMN STRAIT YOU DO.........

[yo]

does sarcasism ring a bell? you've never been more of a liar than you're being now. i don't care if you cheat or not, i said "it happens" whether the person knows it or not. if you don't get over the fact that you're a liar and move on to bigger and better things, its going to eat you up inside, and eventually lead to some kind of fatal illness...CHEATER!!!!!

[MateoTheConquerer]

ok i dont cheat weve established it YOU were wrong.....

but Yes it can happen The End.....

[yo]

i can't be wrong if it's just an OPINION!!!! look this word up if you don't know what it means. my opinion being you cheat and you lie!

[MateoTheConquerer]

NO YOU ARE DEFINETELY WRONG........

[green_goblin]

I have honestly never cheated, hate to break it to you, but some people in this world actually are honest, if you think otherwise then im sorry but the whole world is not unmoraled dudes like yourself

[MateoTheConquerer]

you preach it in green_goblin

[green_goblin]

I will, I will preach on brother! lol

[MateoTheConquerer]

good stuff........

[Creek]

I really don't try too cheat,If I get hit and don't know it I feel its a mistake. I did cheat one day,we where playing 11 on 11 I shot 4 guys and the guy with me shot 3 and the guy that got too us thur the fire fight hit 3,well that 11 and we was confronted will 4 more guys in front of us.
I fig if they where doing it we would too.they where calling themselfs out walking away saw it didn't break so they'd come back in the game.

[yo]

you could say not knowing you got hit is a mistake but the person (that you don't know) playing against you could call that cheating. therefore, even if you think you aren't somebdy thinks you are. i'm not saying everyone cheats all the time and i'm saying anyone should but depending on circumstances what you might call an "honest mistake" could be seen as cheating to another. and that was the point i was trying to make in this pole. the people that claim they never cheated are stating that no one has ever thought they cheated. you can only guess what you think people are thinking.

[Killers Are Quiet]

I think what people were saying was they never cheated in paintball. Life? F*ck yeah i cheat. It would take more effort to NOT cheat. Paintball? Nope, too much respect for it. Yes, I like to win, but not THAT much.

[yo]

you've never cheated, you've never been hit and not known it until the middle or end of the game? well that's just a lie. everybody has been hit somewhere they couldn't see or feel and not known until it was too late. i do my best not to cheat, i'll call myself out if the balls bounce off me.

if i wasn't on your team and we were playing a 5 on 5 game, and through the course of the battle i get hit in the ammocan while running through some brush, nobody saw it including me i didn't feel it because it hit me in the ammocan. 5 minutes go by and your team has lost three players(not saying i'm fresh just hypothetically) and my team goes on to win. as we're walking back you notice that there's paint on me. was i cheating or not? and even though i know i wasn't cheating, i could certainly understand why you would think i was.

it was a trick question, people always sit around talking about how this person and that person cheated...what do you think those people are talking about?

you can say you try your best not to cheat bit to sit around and say never, seems a little sefl-righteous to me.

[elTwitcho]

Getting hit and not knowing is not cheating. Every tournament I've ever heard of has provisions in it's rule book for obvious hits and hits that may go unnoticed. If you get hit in the pods and dont know, it isnt cheating and nobody would view it that way except for complainers

[DasBaldDog]

You can't cheat unless you do it intentionally. You are being negligent in your gaming duties if you don't realize you are doing something outside of the rules but it doesn't become cheating until you do it willingly. And to the answer, now I haven't. In some instances, if a friend on MY SIDE is being negligent in his observances of his status, I will make him aware if he lies outside the lines of fair play. I've been playing since '94 and not once have I considered cheating in a game thank you very much.

[yo]

but couldn't someone claim they didn't know when they did? i've had plenty off people that said they didn't know they got hit. i've heard paintballs hitting air tanks, hoppers, even seen them bounce off people chests but people just claim they didn't know and the cheating goes on. it just seems there's no real way to stop it...other than to shoot at the person until he screams but most people don't like that.

[Magnus55]

Why can't you just accept the fact that there people,unlike yourself who are honest? I believe that if you are hit and the ball pops, and you do not call yourself out because you do not know that you have been shot, then you are not cheating. Sure people might pretend that they don't know but the only reason the cheater can get away with this lie is because there actually are instances where people honestly do not know. Your lack of confidence in the honesty of human nature makes me sick. When people tell you something, you accuse them of being a liar. So if all you look for are lies, how will you ever see the truth?

I do not cheat at paintball. I never have...I never will.

[Savior]

I don't like you yo. Not everyone cheats, I NEVER have cheated in paintball EVER. I have cheated in other things however.

[Angels Holocaust]

i used to wipe, but now i figure what does it matter, there will be a game right after, so once i feel the sting on my leg i call a paint check

[Stealthy_Yellow]

Originally posted by yo
but couldn't someone claim they didn't know when they did? i've had plenty off people that said they didn't know they got hit. i've heard paintballs hitting air tanks, hoppers, even seen them bounce off people chests but people just claim they didn't know and the cheating goes on. it just seems there's no real way to stop it...other than to shoot at the person until he screams but most people don't like that.

You just need to spray them with like 100 rounds or until they cry out.

[Magnus55]

Is that how you solve your problems? With brute force and sheer numbers? You truly are a newbie then.

[simon woodstock]

1st of all, if you get hit w/ a ball and it doesn't break, its not cheating. and mr YO. wether somebody is cheating or not is not an opinion, there are obvious rules, written down, in stone. but to cheating is human nature is untrue. this weekend i played with a guy who got hit in the foot, the ball didn't brake, however he called himself out, we told him he didn't have to, his response was "if he was good enough to hit me, he deserves the elimination" how does that go along w/ your everybody cheats in paintball, and saying you cheated by accident, is like an oxymoron.

[DasBaldDog]

Like I've said before.....You CAN NOT cheat unless you do it intentionally and/or willingly. If you do not know that you have crossed the line, then you haven't cheated.

[MateoTheConquerer]

I AGREE YOU ALL RULE

[Creek]

some people you can beat then smart with a bat. they'd still say the sky is green .

[Paintballrocker]

Is everybody here a newbie except me ????????????? HUH?????????????????

[PB ninja]

When you wipe you take something away from whoever it is that hit you. It is the thrill of the elenination that makes paintball so exciting and if you cheat you take that away from someone, there has to be some honor even among enemies.

Oh and no everyone is not a newbie here, I am not, Twitcho said he'd been playing since 94'. Personaly I think anyone who gets off on the fact that they are not a newbie is still a newbie.

[cdbbombsoverbaghdad]

i don't cheat unless i think the other team already is

[NICKYB]

Yo, What was the point of this poll??? Basically people told you that they didnt cheat, and you immediately called them liars and cheaters. If your so set on your views and dont want to listen to other HONEST people, go stand in a corner with your hand up your own loose buthole. I personally dont cheat, unless i know the person who shot me has.

N

By the way, that "if he was good enough to hit me, then he deserves the elimination" thing was cool. Wish their were more good people like that in p ball.

Keep it real

[green_goblin]

Most everyone here is not a newbie, there are alot of newbies including yourself though, maybe when you have more than 2 posts you can call us newbies, (i know your talking about paintball not this lil forum but yehhh)

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by Creek
some people you can beat then smart with a bat. they'd still say the sky is green .

even if the hethens don't see the light, hit'em some more

[Ded]

The guy that works at my local "shop" played with us one time and he braggs all the time about his awesome rainmaker and how he beats really good teams by himself all the time. Well when he played with us I shot him within the first 10 minutes of the games because I had an awesome hiding place and he walked out into the open and didn't see me. I shot him twice in the side of his body and yelled at him "YOU'RE HIT" he replied with, "WHERE?" Then shortly after that he hit me and I did the honorable thing and walked off the field, stopping to look him over really good before I left. When I got off the field I noticed two big paint spots right where I thought I had hit him and it was my paint too. The paint spots were faded where I believe he tried to wipe them off but couldn't. He apologized and said he didn't feel it and I couldn't see it on him as I checked him so there was really no way for him to know either. Then, thinking back I remembered how he was holding his gun as I was checking him, he was crouched and,I believe, intentionally covering up the two spots with his arm. How could he have not felt it? I shot him in the side from about 20 feet away! it's people like that that make me wonder sometimes why I even play.

[yo]

thank you, someone understood what i was saying.
in the situation described above is the perfect explaination of why i said everyone cheats. this guy got pegged by Ded, then denied ever being hit, even after seeing the hits, and he still claimed he didn't know.
this seems to happen alot in paintball.

i've been playing for a while now, and there's not a single time i've gone out in the field and not heard the "i didn't know" excuse. its true sometimes, but not all the time. your friends are not going to lie to you but a perfect stranger might.

i see it happen all the time, especially when there's newbies on the field. and the sad part is, it's most the older or more experienced players that cheat. people i consider my friends as well as people i looked up, to have done this. one guy even said to me, "these kids need to learn a lesson." "what does cheating have to do with teaching anyone a lesson"? his response..."oh whatever".

i thought this guy was a stand up guy. he's been playing forever, he used to help me out all the time when i saw him at the field. sadly to say, i was very disappointed and i stopped teaming up with him nor did i want to play against him.

not everyone is telling the truth nor is everyone telling a lie, and whether you think you weren't cheating someone might feel differently, that's the point i was making. it's just hard to tell sometimes.

[Killers Are Quiet]

Correct yo, wiping does happen a lot in paintball, but I think what ppl were so pissed off about was the fact that you said "everyone"

[The Billionare]

Not cheating is what makes me a man. I never cheat at anything. I once was handed too much change by a good friend who owns a video rental store. He handed me back a ten with my five, it was supposed to be a one, I gave it back and he gave me a free rental! I was ten at the time and used to bug the crap out of that poor man with questions everyday, I learned then that not cheating and always being honest pays off far better than cheating and being dishonest. Two years later I had almost forgotten the lesson and asked my karate instructor if I could fight in the green belt ranks. He said, "why, don't you think you have earned the rank of purple?" I did earn it and won second place in that tournament. I wanted a first place trophy, but obviously I wasn't good enough was I? I didn't deserve first if second was the best I could do that day. I was tagged three times at the field on sunday, but I tagged nine people and with great moves. I don't need to cheat. I don't need to lie. My friend at the video store told everyone about what I had done. I would hate for it to have been the other way around and have him telling people that I took advantage of his mistake and was nothing but a cheat and a thief. I heard a story about a guy at a tournament, points to another guy and says, "see that guy with the angel, he wiped once when I played here with him." The other guy asked, "when was that?" and the guy says, "oh about five years ago."

[paintballer56]

define cheating.................

[NICKYB]

Cheating - The Intentional breaking or bending of rules in order to give yourself or someone else an unfair advantage or disadvantage.

[Ded]

Originally posted by Killers Are Quiet
Correct yo, wiping does happen a lot in paintball, but I think what ppl were so pissed off about was the fact that you said "everyone"

my thoughts exactly, I have to admit to cheating once, but only once and I know of many people that would never have even done it once and never will either.

[Magadeth]

Cheating, yeah it happens, yeah it sucks. IMO if you are hit in an area where you cant feel it and do not notice it, that is not cheating. Now the guys that you see wiping? That is proof that they are dishonorable scum. I normally try not to overshoot people, but if I catch you wipeing, I will Lite you up and after the game will tell eveyone that you wiped. Some people have been banned for this sort of behavior. If you feel the need to cheat in a GAME like pball, I will no longer trust you to be around me and will not even want to hang with you socially. WIPERS ARE SCUM AND DESERVE TO BE OSTRASIZED FROM THE SPORT. A BIG part of the enjoyment I get from pball is the respect of my foes at the end of the day. If you earn a reputation as a wiper you will never be respected by anyone, even if you do have skills.

[The Billionare]

I thought yo and this stupid thread would be gone by now. I guess it was just wishfull thinking. I never cheat and neither does my team you a-hole. A lot of low self esteem blow hards do, but we don't so don't say everyone. I hate to sound like rush limpburger, but everyone doesn't!

[KOTOWA]

IM A CHEATER, Im sorry, it only happened once, I didnt wipe, I didnt go automatic, I got those JT tearoffs, I got shot in the lense, ripped the tearoff right off and tossed it, and kept playing, but all I one is a case of paint, I feel so guilty, Id take it back now, but I used half the case. BOo Hoo

[jaredu]

I only cheat when I see someone else cheat.

[Q98]

One time there was paint on my mask and i was thinking about wiping but i didn't I called a paintcheck and i was clean. i have never cheated before(but I've only been to the field 3 days).

[Incube]

haha i did twice onece by mistake i got shot on the hopper and didnt know! then i got shot on the foot and wiped it!

[abeaucha]

I may be the only one who agrees but all experienced players have "cheated" if you consider unnoticeable hits. I don't consider them cheating but I see his point which is a very valid one even if you didn't cheat on purpose the other team will see it as a wipe. Awhile back I got a hopper hit it was obvious to everyone but me than I got bunkered and I did not see the guy come around the other side lit me up with like 20 shots later I asked him why he did not have me surrender and he replied because you cheated I told him I did not know and it was true, he pretended he believed me but I could tell he didn't, and if we were in reversed shoes I would not have believed him either. just today I got shot in the harness and I was playing against newbies I did not know I was shot neither did they but later I saw it and I just called myself out the ref looked at me funny because no shots were fired when I called myself out. But people who wipe truly suck, I'd never wipe or play on but the other team doesn't know that. This was a good topic in my opinion but the message was not delivered right so it got flamed.

[PaintKiller]

Yo when I played pball last time I got spllatered off a bunker and I got all over my gun and when that happened u r still in,
So it was all over my marker and I wiped only the bever tail to show the guy and thats it and he said ok u r still in a sec later the reff goes no wait you wiped.
wut an ***!
ok first of all it was all over my marker I had proof.
I just was showing him that it was allover.
I will neverdo that again, I wasent trying to cheat.