No Honor Among Thieves

[DasBaldDog]

Someone recently robbed the proshop at Memphis's Paintball park. They stole 6 guns ranging from a Freeflow Autococker to a Pirannha. The Freeflow is being offered as reward to anyone who can provide information as to who did it. I don't know about anyone else, but I think this sets back paintball worse than any kid shooting up cars or houses. If we can't trust other players not to steal stuff (I suppose this was a locked and gated shop) then I believe that paintball will go downhill REALLY fast. We're all on one big team trying to get this thing into the mainstream and things like this hurt us bad. So if the dude that took that stuff is reading this: Just send it back man. Is it really going to help you that much as to ruin an entire sport? Hey, I can understand why someone would want that autoccker that bad, but come on. None of us need this hassle.

[yo]

there's nothing wrong with stealing unless you get caught. it will only ruin the sport if he throws the guns away, but if he sells them at a "fell out the back of the truck" discount, or keeps them for himself and/or his friends, then that's 6 new people that are going to be playing in your area. i would hope whoever did this isn't stupid enough to show up on the field packing. stealing suck only when you didn't think of it first.

[MateoTheConquerer]

that happened a couple of months ago at my local shop

good news they got caught but the store only got 1/3 of the merchandise recovered.......

again yo how can u say stealing isint wrong

[in trauma]

yes this happen to my local place too



[Edited by in trauma on 05-25-2001 at 05:53 PM]

[yo]

why do you insist on annoying me? i never said it was stealing is right, i said "there's nothing wrong with stealing unless you get caught".

not only do you have the audacity to say you don't lie, or cheat but now you're telling me and the world you never stole anything in your life! are you a mormon? when did you leave the convent? do have a direct relation to L Ron Hubbard?

once again this is a opinion which is why this forum exists.

[MateoTheConquerer]

im only 15 and my parents taught me stealing is wrong......... unlike you

[Predator]

Hey Yo - I'm Mormon.

[yo]

well there little boy you talk awfully big for someone so young. i'm 25 and obviously alot older than you, so i know a little something about how life goes. i'm sure your parents tell you stealing wrong, and drinking and drugs...and i use to think those things too until i grew up. you can talk to me about right and wrong when you get finished going through puberity, until then, keep your mouth shut unless you're spoken to and respect your elders. your parents teach you that? smart*ss!

[Killers Are Quiet]

Originally posted by yo
i never said it was stealing is right, i said "there's nothing wrong with stealing unless you get caught".



if it's not wrong, then it's...

[ds613]

I don't have much respect for someone, no matter how old they are, who sees nothing wrong with stealing and apparently cheating, and disses people who do. (especially on the Internet) lol

[Predator]

Obviously you haven't grown up if you think drugs, stealing, and drinking are good things to be doing.

[MateoTheConquerer]

you preach it ds613

[Wasimodo]

Actually predator, he never said that stealing, drinking, and drugs were right. He simply said they weren't wrong.

[Predator]

So if they're not wrong, then what are they?

[Wasimodo]

That's for you to ask him. I'm just pointing out that while he's not opposed to illicit activites, he's not advocating them.

[Creek]

Yo you got a long way too go if you think 25 is grown up

[Jake]

I have to agree you don't act your age man. Stealing is never right no matter if you get caught or not. Drugs and drinking are a choice you have to make. I myself think drinking is all right if done responsibly and drugs are a choice you must make. If you consider yourself a grownup you really should consider being a role model every now and then. You don't have to be an angel but you should be a decent person and I may be assuming (and yes I know the whole *** out of you and me saying)but you don't seem to be one

[Richy_C]

Originally posted by yo
there's nothing wrong with stealing unless you get caught
So if I stole your stuff and you didn't catch me you wouldn't get pissed?right.............

[Creek]

I hate too see the guys hands that puts them in my gear bag with out asking,well friends dont count cause the wont RIP you off

[DasBaldDog]

THE SEVENTH COMMANDMENT! THOU (you, yo) SHALT NOT STEAL!!!!!!! REPEAT "SHALT NOT!!!!"

[Mad Ogre]

I'm Mormon as well.
Hey - uh... I just noticed a Free Flow on Ebay - brand new... Just came up today.

Thieves should be lynched.

[Edited by Mad Ogre on 05-25-2001 at 10:16 PM]

[DasBaldDog]

Got the url?

[Killers Are Quiet]

hey you go DasBaldDog

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1148896590

[yo]

well all of you have responded exactly as i thought you would. i'm sure you all feel really good about yourselves now. because none of you have done anything that someone thought was "wrong".

i'm not a judge and i don't decide what is right or what is wrong, all i can do is voice an opinion no matter what others think, that's why they are called opinions. opinions are not facts but a responsive statement to something that is heard or said. when's the last time someone had a wrong opinion? i think never! you might feel that they are wrong but in fact, in there eyes, they are right.

these kids that robbed the store...more power to them, i hope they keep robbing more stores, if they get caught, then they get what they deserve, put away for life for all i care.

i had my own business and people stole from me, employees and customers and i can't say i liked it, but i realize that it happens and there's nothing i can do about it. unfortunately, i cannot control the thoughts of others therefore cannot prevent their actions.

[DasBaldDog]

You responded the way WE'D thought you would, that is to say LIKE A BONE HEAD. You hope the keep on robbing? That's is quite the wimps way out. Choose one side and then turn a blind eye to the choice or the reasoning. That's right up there by saying "I don't care". If they do keep on robbing stores, I hope the next place they rob is your's (your house incase you don't own a store). The joke's only funny when it's someone else trump.

By the way that Free flow can't be it. It's in Arizona and the description on the parts is wrong. Red and it's not a lockout edition. Thanks anyway though.

[yo]

you failed to miss the point, i don't care that they robbed the store, if it wasn't them it would have been someone else. yeah it's a sh*tty attitude but thats the way things are from "my perspective". the wimps way out...your opinion...but i think these guys got alot of balls if they're going around robbing stores.
i have to agree with you, i hope these guys do find they're way to my house as well...i was looking to get a new marker. yes, i know buying things that are stolen at a discount is wrong but a steal leads to a deal, and you can't pass up a good deal.

[DasBaldDog]

I agree ONLY in the fact you can't pass up a deal. When I got my first Cocker it was from a rich guy who's rich spoiled son had been arrested for vandalism. He just wanted to get rid of it. It was trimmed out and he sold it to me for a fair price (it was worth eq. alone somewhere around $700) which I gladly paid ($250). I got the nitro tank for $50 (114CI 4500 Geddon tank). But these kids stole from my local field and the guy that owns that place is way past nice and generous to all. Being mean to mean people is not as wrong, but being THAT mean to THAT nice a man, is cruel.
Still though, the 7th Commandment applies. How long is this thread anyways?

[Magnus55]

Yes YO, you are entitled to your opinion, just as we are to ours. Stealing is Bad. Thats my opinion. Stealing is punishable by law. That is the government's opinion. And seing as we have a government run by the people, then that is the people's opinion. Age doesn't reflect maturity. You aren't mature at all. You deliberatly start pointless arguements just to piss people off and to get attention. Just like a child.

[elTwitcho]

You know what, at my local field you can leave your gun on the table and go to the bathroom and not have to worry about someone jacking your stuff. There's a certain degree of respect that everyone has for each other, and the fact that the people running the field would notice someone taking my gun probably isnt the reason people dont do it, some people just have dignity. I trust most of the players I see at my field, and they do the same to me. I trust that they wont adjust their gun after chronying. I trust that they'll call themselves out after a break. I trust that they wont steal my gear or my paint. People like you screw that up and I doubt people will be trustful at that field anymore. People like you are bad for the sport, and I'm hoping you find a new activity to take your sense of morals to, euthanasia sounds perfect for you.

[Key]

Way to go Twitch! You oughta run for President or something. :P

[Magnus55]

Nah, to be a politician you have to be able to lie and steal...j/k :)

[Richy_C]

don't steal, the IRS hates competition

[poiuyt]

Ok, ALL of you guys are hypocrates by compare. God gave us free will, do whatever we want. OBVIOUSLY EVRYONE here has been granted this right and free choice to use it. Im sure all of you have tried underage cigarettes, drinking, drugs, STEALING you are just trying to cover it up and say your some happy mormon robot.

[Snyper731]

Yo, you are a peice of scum. How can you say "steling isnt wrong unless you get caught". You are a clone of that dirtbag Bill Clinton!! You are saying that if i shot someone but nobody caught me, its ok because thats one more story for the news. Its the morally lacking liek you who degrade the sport of paintball.

[Killers Are Quiet]

Ok poiuyt, God gave us free will. What did we do with it? We f*ucked it all up, ate a godforsaken apple. But with free will and the choices we make, comes the consequences. Free will/choice doesn't exactly have a good track record.

Hell yes I've stolen, cheat, and drank underage, but I know it's wrong also. He's saying it's not wrong unless you get caught, BIG DIFFERENCE!

[DasBaldDog]

For the record, I am a God-fearing Catholic. I have not smoked, I do not (at any time) drink, I do not have sex out of marriage, I do not steal. The only thing that I do that most people consider immoral is I am sometimes free with my use of language. There are good people left in this world, poiuyt. Maybe you should find another sport because if you ever steal ANY of my stuff, I don't care if you steal one measibly paintball, if I know you did it intentionally, I'll make your mother cry when she sees what I've done to you.

[DasBaldDog]

All you are doing is showing how much that schooling is not helping you. Have a little respect for the forum and refrain from the language.

[Imus]

Originally posted by yo
well all of you have responded exactly as i thought you would. i'm sure you all feel really good about yourselves now. because none of you have done anything that someone thought was "wrong".

i'm not a judge and i don't decide what is right or what is wrong, all i can do is voice an opinion no matter what others think, that's why they are called opinions. opinions are not facts but a responsive statement to something that is heard or said. when's the last time someone had a wrong opinion? i think never! you might feel that they are wrong but in fact, in there eyes, they are right.

these kids that robbed the store...more power to them, i hope they keep robbing more stores, if they get caught, then they get what they deserve, put away for life for all i care.

i had my own business and people stole from me, employees and customers and i can't say i liked it, but i realize that it happens and there's nothing i can do about it. unfortunately, i cannot control the thoughts of others therefore cannot prevent their actions.

FIRST OF ALL, nobody here said that they had never done anything illegal. We have all done things that we consider wrong in our lives, but most of us strive to fight those things, in ourself and in others so quit acting like that helps your argument at all.

SECOND PARAGRAPH...thank you for your documentary on the nature of opinions, we're all very enlightened. *yawn*

FINAL PARAGRAPHS...it seems you view stealing as a inevitable and uncontrable ascpet of life~~~HARDLY! You're such an unproductive vegetable of society that you honestly believe there is not a way to change or prevent things such as stealing in your life as well as others. You can not recognize stealing as a way of life unless you are willing not to get mad or be disturbed when it happens to you. I say this because untill it is accepted universally, then you should not bring it upon others. You would because recognizing stealing as a way of life and passing this opinion on to other people people makes them view it as a viable action. I hate to break it to you, but, stealing is a preventable behavior and untill you it isn't and stealing no longer bothers you, then you could not hold that attitude towards it. I think that pretty well defines it as WRONG!

WHY LET SOMETHING HAPPEN TO YOU AND OTHERS THAT MAKES EVERYONE ANGRY. Cuz your too lazy to get off your arse and try. Therefor you just take it...wait...i think they have a word for people like you...complacent...



[Edited by Imus on 05-29-2001 at 12:36 AM]

[NICKYB]

Yo, you just popped up to #1 one on the *** homosexual idiot list. YOU hope they keep robbing stores??? Whats wrong with you dude? You think its good because 6 new people are playing the sport? What happens when the store goes out of business b/c all there crap got stolen? Thats like 50 people out of the sport. BOTTOMLINE, Stealing is illegal and i dont do it. Yea ive taken a piece of pizza from some kid at school, and im honest about it. Am i goin to jail for it???? NO, but stealing on a larger level is wrong, yet you hope kids keep doing it.

I hate you already, and ive seen your posts for 1 day. Leave all the cool peeps on the board alone, and get away.

Lay off the religious jokes too people, didnt we just get a speach from Yo about opinions? Let people have their own religions and quit dissin them about it

[DasBaldDog]

Look at the top of this page, the first sentence by YO. I will quote "You failed to miss the point" I love that.......

[DasBaldDog]

Much more than 50 people. That store serves the entire Memphis area. That's more than 500 people that play in that area.

[Paint Bulley]

Where you live YO? you the one that stole the stuff?

Now wouldn't that be a coincidence.

[NICKYB]

balddog, thanks for the info. I didnt know that many people went to that store, I just picked a number......

[ammoman]

its ok we must be "nice" to Yo...say happy thing and think happy thoughts now (when he thinks hes off the hook lets light him up)....yes thats nice isnt it..."good homosexual idiot with no f*cken brains"........"oooops I guess he isnt thinkin hes off yet"...."well im gonna kill him now...................................

TO BE CONTINUED

[ammoman]

.....holy sh*t!"........."are those his brains!"...."omfg I thnk im gonna puke, that is not human!" KID NEXT TO ME:"No, I saw that in a movie once...."Yo".........."whatever, but I think thats from the blob!" well whatever it is its pure EVIL lets kill it...................hehe :D!!!!!!

THE END!!!

[DasBaldDog]

Ammoman, are the voices talking to you again?

[elTwitcho]

OK, everyone needs to take a very deep breath. It's a pretty controversial topic and if the flaming continues, I'm gonna need to close it.

[filasophikal]

that sucks man, but why would you steal a free flow, don't they have a serial number engraved into it, or something to tell or trace what happened to it...

same in my area, cali... this paintball store got robbed 3 times... they took paint, messed up the store (played paintball inside the store), but the thing is all they stole was bruizers.... they left the angels, em1s, sto & black magic autocockers... all in the same exact spot... untouched.

[Richy_C]

well, now thats a tad wierd. Yo, please, you have proven nothing with your views, please consiider other users of this form before posting.

[Imus]

Sorry 'bout that flaming mods...just had to get that out...
i'm fine...for the time being

[DasBaldDog]

Atleast it was for the most part, free of gramatical errors, displayed a varied vocabulary and was logisticly coherent.

[yo]

first, i'd like to say i never said i'd steal anything, whether it be from a paintball store or a bank (well maybe). nor would i dip my hands in someones bag and steal their stuff. all i was saying that i saw nothing wrong with stealing dues to reasons "I felt" were valid. just because i think there's nothing wrong with it doesn't mean i go out and do it.

second, i never said i would "purposely" cheat in paintball, which in fact, has nothing to do with people who rob paintball stores.

third, i also don't know where the *** comments came from especially since being a theft(not necessarly myself) has nothing to do with the fact of someone's sexual orientation (not that theres anything wrong with that).

forth, what does stealing crap have anything to do with the sport of paintball?

fifth, what is the point of feeling sorry or angry towards people you don't know? if a store is robbed in the middle of nowhere, how does it effect you? do you know these people? if no, then what makes you think they give a sh*t about you? do they help put food on the table? do they help you with your bills?

sixth, its fine to say, "that's messed up", when you hear of something bad that has happened to another but you get to a point of anger for someone you don't know, that doesn't know you, seems all together stupid to me.

last of all, "there's nothing wrong with stealing unless you get caught".

[cdbbombsoverbaghdad]

at this point in time I would like to thank yo.because of his comments we will all keep a very close eye on all of our stuff from here on out.

[DasBaldDog]

I always enjoy how two days after the flaming, the nicer and more politically correct comments come out. Anyway, yo, this does affect me. I know the person who owns that shop and those guns. It affects all of us as it is a tiny pin prick that when combined with hundreds of other, can cause serious damage to the sport. I also would like to say that stealing for "reasons" should be given a lesser punishment but not condoned. I would like to think that if I for some reason was THAT bad off that I needed to steal, that should I get caught, I wouldn't get the chair. However from the description of the theft, it seems that they did not just steal, they apprently messed the place up, shot up the walls. These were not destitute people, these were rowdy kids looking for fun.

I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT THIS THREAD BE CLOSED! It has accomplished its task and therefore is no longer needed.

[A damn fool]

Too bad i didnt see this thread sooner, i would havewent off on this guys arss before...

Ok yo, lets think about this. Just becasue u don't know someone, u cant feel for them? Its idiots like u who will never get off there *** becasue therye at the age of 25 and crusing around on a paintball forum yelling at teenagers instead of trying to make a difference in general. Now, i must admit, im not a perfect person, i drink, i smoke, i have stolen(not to the extent of this, food, maybe 10 bucks from my brothers) but i stil have the slightest bit of compassion for what ive done. I feel bad.

So, i dont know people, why the hell shoudl i care abotu them? Ur telling me, if ur on the paintball field, and see some kid fall and break his leg on a rock, u wont go help him up, simpy becasue u dont know him, so **** it? Give me a break, if people thought like that then the wprld today would be total kaos, most people have some compassion. U must have been a *** when u were little or something, because u abviolsy have so little self esteem or couldnt care for people so much that u think if it doesnt affect u, screw it.

Ok, one more thing(before twitch freak on me for flaming) U seem to think that roberis like these wil have no effect on u or the sport of paintball. Its the people who steafl form the stores, shoot out of cars at by standers, etc etc that give paintball such a bad rep. People dont like paintball becasue of the *******s they think paly in it (yo). This robbery will now effect the entire town's veiw on the people who play, and everyone will be a suspect to them. From here, parents with kids wont let htem paly or join the sport becasue of this, etc. IN the long run, this is gonna effect ur ***, because who knows, the y can make paintball illegla or something to that extenet. All im saying is how freaking stupid could u be to encourage the destruction of the sprt u play? I know u have ur own vieews on things, but how can u stand by something that everyone but u has pretty much thought to be wrong in its own way?

Oh yeah, get off ur ***, and do something u mature 25 year old instead of pondering at a paintball site where u can feel u can say what u want to attempt to sound cool to people who cant see u. Just becuae ir 25 and abiously have nothing beter to do then sit on ur computer, doesnt mean u have to try to sound cool to the little teenagers. Guess what , its not working.

[Richy_C]

right then, it does affect me, it means anothe rstore will close, less newbies sign on, less money toward my field or tournety company, the less likely they are to stay open, they close, i'm outta luck. Yo, just leave, just leave

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by yo
first, i'd like to say i never said i'd steal anything, whether it be from a paintball store or a bank (well maybe). nor would i dip my hands in someones bag and steal their stuff. all i was saying that i saw nothing wrong with stealing dues to reasons "I felt" were valid. just because i think there's nothing wrong with it doesn't mean i go out and do it.

second, i never said i would "purposely" cheat in paintball, which in fact, has nothing to do with people who rob paintball stores.

third, i also don't know where the *** comments came from especially since being a theft(not necessarly myself) has nothing to do with the fact of someone's sexual orientation (not that theres anything wrong with that).

forth, what does stealing crap have anything to do with the sport of paintball?

fifth, what is the point of feeling sorry or angry towards people you don't know? if a store is robbed in the middle of nowhere, how does it effect you? do you know these people? if no, then what makes you think they give a sh*t about you? do they help put food on the table? do they help you with your bills?

sixth, its fine to say, "that's messed up", when you hear of something bad that has happened to another but you get to a point of anger for someone you don't know, that doesn't know you, seems all together stupid to me.

last of all, "there's nothing wrong with stealing unless you get caught".


I'm so Pizzed at you're arrogant posts, Yo, that I can't even begin to form a response where every other sentence isn't, "Yo, you stupid ****ing moron." I think I've said all i need to say. You stupid ****ing moron. If I was the moderator in this forum, I'd delete you're stupid ****ing posts ... you're lucky.

[DasBaldDog]

Everyone take a deep breath, now count to three, exhale......breath in.....hold it, aim and FIRE AT YO. Just kidding, I think we all need to chill. The points made thus far are, Yo is an immoral moron and stealing is bad.

[erickwang]

what do you expect when paintball players are mostly:

1)white trash
2)ex war vets
3rednecks
4)white trash little boys that smoke weed
5)people like timothy mcveigh
6)self inflicting pain lovers.


DONT EVEN TRY TO ARGUE THIS ONE, YOU ALL KNOW I AM RIGHT AND BY DENYING IT YOU REINFORCE MY THOUGHTS CUZ THEN I KNOW YOU WILL BE IN DENIAL...

[DIRTY HARRY]

This thread is really bringing out all the @sses. So here I am.

[NICKYB]

So basically Erick you are a white trash little kid who had both legs shot off in vietnam(no offense to anyone that has, for real)living way out in the country while smoking weed and eating squirrels with your brother Timothy Mcveigh. THAT IS MY LIFE MAN!??!?! HOW DID YOU GUESS IT!??! stupid moron, get a clue that people on these boards are normal kids and mature adults that are trying to get the sport promoted but are held up by idiots like you and Yo

Yo and Erickwang, F ags of the day for the 8th time running

[erickwang]

like i said...denial

[schuss]

someone never learned morals......
I was recently at a field game with over 200 people, and not one person got jacked during games and such. No one even touched my paint. stealing is a violation of a social contract, since if you steal from someone, they should steal from you. This creates a vicious cycle. Getting good deals, taking advantage of price matching and all that is alright, but stealing is flat out wrong. Getting stole from raises your biz insurance, as well as pisses you off and reduces your stock. If you are too poor to buy a gun, work. I am not perfect, I drink, I smoke, I can be an ******* sometimes, but I NEVER steal. Get some morals Yo, maybe then you'd be less pessimistic about life. You get what you expect from life, and if you expect to be stolen from, you will be.

[MuckRaker]

Originally posted by erickwang
like i said...denial

And you are????

[Creek]

I wish YO come too my house and learn a few things about life.
But frist sometime you got too slap them to get there attention

[Ded]

Originally posted by yo
why do you insist on annoying me? i never said it was stealing is right, i said "there's nothing wrong with stealing unless you get caught".

not only do you have the audacity to say you don't lie, or cheat but now you're telling me and the world you never stole anything in your life! are you a mormon? when did you leave the convent? do have a direct relation to L Ron Hubbard?

once again this is a opinion which is why this forum exists.

yo, i really don't like you, first you accuse everyone in the world of being a liar and a cheat, then you say there's nothing wrong with stealing! what's your problem man?

[Ded]

Originally posted by yo
well all of you have responded exactly as i thought you would. i'm sure you all feel really good about yourselves now. because none of you have done anything that someone thought was "wrong".

i'm not a judge and i don't decide what is right or what is wrong, all i can do is voice an opinion no matter what others think, that's why they are called opinions. opinions are not facts but a responsive statement to something that is heard or said. when's the last time someone had a wrong opinion? i think never! you might feel that they are wrong but in fact, in there eyes, they are right.

these kids that robbed the store...more power to them, i hope they keep robbing more stores, if they get caught, then they get what they deserve, put away for life for all i care.

i had my own business and people stole from me, employees and customers and i can't say i liked it, but i realize that it happens and there's nothing i can do about it. unfortunately, i cannot control the thoughts of others therefore cannot prevent their actions.






that is the first time I have ever seen a wrong opinion, congradulations dumb*ss

[Predator]

Originally posted by erickwang
what do you expect when paintball players are mostly:

1)white trash
2)ex war vets
3rednecks
4)white trash little boys that smoke weed
5)people like timothy mcveigh
6)self inflicting pain lovers.


Hmm - let's see if I meet any of these criteria.

1) white trash - I don't consider myself white trash. I am white but I'm not trashy.
2) ex war vets - I've never served in the military
3) rednecks - Once in a while I get sunburn on my neck if I don't use sun screen. Does that count?
4) white trash little boys that smoke weed - Same as #1. In addition, I've never touched the stuff.
5) people like timothy mcveigh - The man isn't even worth mentioning.
6) self inflicting pain lovers - I don't like inflicting pain. I don't consider getting hit by a paintball necessarily pain. Pain is more like breaking an ankle, or getting hit by a truck.

Conclusion - looks like I don't fit any of the above criteria. I still love the sport of paintball. Explain that one to me.

[DasBaldDog]

Damn, I never thought the thread would get this long.

[Pookister569]

awhile ago, a paintball field that i go to sometimes got robbed. they have a trailer filled with everything they need (co2, nitro, paintballs, crap load of guns etc....) and someone stole the truck and trailer and later they found the trailer burnt to a crisp. it really pisses me off when people do things like that. why won't people learn that stealing is wrong? i hope they find the people who took the trailer and beat em.

[elTwitcho]

Well, I had hope for this thread. It was misplaced