Help your Fav. Company Out

[Dragonlord]

This poll I think is gonna be a good one. I want me to tell me what your fav. company is. Like the company you give your support to.

[Richy_C]

smart parts babeeeeeeee

[DasBaldDog]

I owe allegance to many a paintball company but I owe highest loyalty to him who hath designated his marker........AUTOCOCKER!!!

[Creek]

PALMERS is who i give my suppoert too,smart parts and AGD next pmi.

[elTwitcho]

Bob, 'cause he's got the best customer service in the business. That and people can call him and just chat about the future of the timmy, which is cool too. I'm callin him later and askin about his warp on the timmy

[Richy_C]

So i says to bob long i says....


Does this ring a bell?
I want anti chop, Iwant miller, Freak factory freak factory please deliver

[elTwitcho]

Heh, someone on the old timmy forum elTwitcho shed's a tear for the timmy pbdojo forum was mentioning that his marker got fuched up and when he called Bob, they talked for like an hour about Bob's hunting trip. Personable guy, or maybe it never happened, who knows. Alls I know is whoever answers the phone is always cool as hell when i call

[Dragonlord]

LOL let me get this straight yall ahve actuall talked to Bob Long. Whats his number?

[Richy_C]

1-800-Bob-Long

[Dragonlord]

Are you serious? If I call that number what will he say?

[elTwitcho]

Well, if you've got a question about the intimidator you can call

1-925-625-7929

Bob's usually there, so chances are if someone picks up, you've got Bob. Just dont go calling him and going

"Are you Bob Long?"

"Yeah, can I help you?"

"Giggling like a schoolgirl heeeheeeheeeheeehee ~click"

"What the?"

[Dragonlord]

LOL that would prolly be how the conversation would go cuz I cant think of anything to ask him but this:

ME: Hello

Bob: Hey How may I help you

ME: uhh umm Mr. Long have you ever heard of a Sheridan Equalizer?

Bob: No what the hell is that??

Me: Ohh its just a gun I need some info on

Seriouly I might call him and ask him that because it seems that no one I know knows anything about that gun and I need some info on it.

[elTwitcho]

well... I doubt he'd know anything about it, and he is trying to run a business and probably doesnt have time to answer everyone's questions if they're not even about his products. If you cant find any info on a gun, try asking a rep from sheridan or start calling proshops. Dont go bugging people who wouldnt have any idea anyhow

[Creek]

Originally posted by Dragonlord
LOL that would prolly be how the conversation would go cuz I cant think of anything to ask him but this:

ME: Hello

Bob: Hey How may I help you

ME: uhh umm Mr. Long have you ever heard of a Sheridan Equalizer?

Bob: No what the hell is that??

Me: Ohh its just a gun I need some info on

Seriouly I might call him and ask him that because it seems that no one I know knows anything about that gun and I need some info on it.



Call Palmers up they'll be able too help you on this marker,or email them at wesplat@cris.com and tell them what you want,or call them at(916)932-9676

[dawgs712]

i would vote for the spyder tippman or be fro getting people into the game, but i had to go with worr games b/c watching the autococker fire is so cool!

[Dragonlord]

Why would palmers know anything about a Sheridan Equalizer?? Are you sure? Also how in the hell has BE gotten 2 votes?

[Creek]

Originally posted by Dragonlord
Why would palmers know anything about a Sheridan Equalizer?? Are you sure? Also how in the hell has BE gotten 2 votes?

cause they work on any make of marker

[I win]

PMI Guns rule!

[Richy_C]

every one thinks blowbacks are the best til;l the shoot electro, lol, i did, i was like my spyder owns, got handed an impulse, shot of a few rounds, changed my underwear and was very submissive afterwards lol

[Guesswho?]

I would want to say RPS for the paintballs but they werent up there, so i had to go with the next best thing, Spyder!

[krasher]

Aardvark Custom Paintball Products, or SiN.

[blake_sw]

Umm...Delta (Bob Long), PMI & Airgun Designs :)

[DraXsuS]

Hum, spyder is not a company, its a gun series, Kingman is the company that make the spyder series and the hammer

[felixthecat]

I'd probably go with Diablo if you had it up there......

[Richy_C]

agd should be making a comeback in a month or so

[Nemessis]

Delta or aardvark, I had a convo with Bob Long about the defiant a long while ago, I was so stoked I was talking to a pro trying not to sound like a ******* :D

[Red_October]

Worr!!! Long live the Autococker.

[AllOleander]

i voted smart parts becuae i hear of a lot of ppl who dont like them at all. and i cant see why. they have 2 great gun classics, shocker and impulse..the freak barrel.. i mean come on?

actually, ihear a lot of pros saying: i hate smart parts, but i love the freak

i dont see how you could hate smart parts? there was a rumor going around that the freak inserts were off but i dont think that was true

[Incube]

ummm i say pmi next is worrgames

[PiranhaPro]

Why isnt AKA on the list?

Excalibur
Merlin
VLM
new vikings
LP parts for the Cocker,
LP parts for spyders,
LP parts for angels,
The have the highest Q/C in the business,
GREAT customer service
GREAT new reg(sidewinder)


AKA is awesome, i like palmer, and the other custom shops also, they have done so much to keep this sport alive.

SP would be my 3rd company,
Shocker
Impulse
Max Flow
Freak
what isnt there to love?

[Jordan]

KAPP AND DYE

[davidb]

Originally posted by Richy_C
agd should be making a comeback in a month or so

Oh great Richy, way ta leave us hanging!!! What are you talking about?

Anyway, I voted for AGD, because the owner is a dang genius, and if you go on automags.org you can actually go in and talk to him. He always backs up everything he says with facts. Where Bud Orr and the Gardners will say stuff like, "Oh our guns seem to have more range and accuracy than the other guy's. It has to do with the fact that our guns are closed bolt and operate at low pressure, it's very complicated and I don't want to go into detail." (not actually a quote but you get the idea) On the other hand, you have Tom Kay, who will tell you -----

"Barrels are only there to accelerate the ball from a standstill to 300 fps. In theory they also help with accuracy but that's another post. The ball goes through incredible acceleration on its way down the barrel. The balls acceleration rate is approx. 50,000 feet per second to get to 300 feet per second in 10 inches. The entire barrel travel time is about 6 thousandths of a second and this means the ball is seeing about 1500 G's when its getting pushed out the gun. Although this may sound incredible if someone out there would like to do the math you will see that I'm close.

Air pressure behind the ball is what causes this acceleration to happen. This pressure varies between the different guns but is generally between 50 to 125 pounds per square inch at its peak. The air pressure peaks right when the ball starts moving down the barrel, after that, the ball moving down the barrel creates a bigger chamber so the pressure drops. This is why low pressure guns are a myth, in reality all guns shoot at considerably lower pressure than 200 psi.

Peak pressures above 150 psi tends to break balls down the barrel due to really high acceleration and G forces. If you don't have any way to control the peak pressure behind the ball, the only way you can change it is to go with lower pressure in the air chamber, hence low pressure guns. AGD uses the precise contour of the power tube tip to release air in a controlled manner behind the ball to limit peak pressures to around 60-80 psi..

It is simple to understand that the harder you push something the faster it will accelerate and get up to speed in a shorter distance. So what distance do we have to get the ball up to speed? The effective length of the barrel is from the balls position before it's fired, to the place in the barrel where the pressure gets released, This is usually at the first porting holes or the step in the barrel. Porting is there to release gas pressure!! You are effectively stopping the acceleration at the ports so your 14" barrel that is half full of holes only has an effective length of 7".

Now we understand that we need to limit the peak pressure behind the ball to keep it from blowing up, and that the pressure drops as the ball moves down the barrel. The next question we need to ask is, how far down the barrel does the ball have to go before the pressure gets to low to do anything useful? That answer is 8-10 inches. We know this from looking at the graphs that our gun dyno puts out. If your peak pressure is higher, say over 100 psi you can get away with a shorter barrel, if it's lower then you need a longer barrel. Since AGD is the only gun manufacturer to actually test their pressures behind the ball you might have a hard time getting this info for other guns.

So as far as our guns are concerned, the best efficiency would be had with an 8-10" effective length barrel. Since two piece ported barrels with an effective length of about 5-6" are the rage right now you hear a lot of complaints about gas efficiency. Under some circumstances there is a good reason to use a short effective length barrel. Short barrels cut off the acceleration abruptly by venting and this has the effect of tightening up the shot to shot velocity variation. If you need this at the expense of efficiency then go ahead. Tighter velocity control usually translates into some improvement in accuracy due to better consistency.

So if you want the best of all worlds, limit your peak pressure, let your ball accelerate all it wants, don't follow the crowd and keep asking questions. "

No BS, no magic gnomes and fairies, just straight proven-to-be-true science. They also make great guns BTW.

[Incube]

JT????
Viewloader????
Kapp???

[elTwitcho]

Originally posted by davidb
Originally posted by Richy_C
agd should be making a comeback in a month or so

Oh great Richy, way ta leave us hanging!!! What are you talking about?

Anyway, I voted for AGD, because the owner is a dang genius, and if you go on automags.org you can actually go in and talk to him. He always backs up everything he says with facts. Where Bud Orr and the Gardners will say stuff like, "Oh our guns seem to have more range and accuracy than the other guy's. It has to do with the fact that our guns are closed bolt and operate at low pressure, it's very complicated and I don't want to go into detail." (not actually a quote but you get the idea) On the other hand, you have Tom Kay, who will tell you -----

"Barrels are only there to accelerate the ball from a standstill to 300 fps. In theory they also help with accuracy but that's another post. The ball goes through incredible acceleration on its way down the barrel. The balls acceleration rate is approx. 50,000 feet per second to get to 300 feet per second in 10 inches. The entire barrel travel time is about 6 thousandths of a second and this means the ball is seeing about 1500 G's when its getting pushed out the gun. Although this may sound incredible if someone out there would like to do the math you will see that I'm close.

Air pressure behind the ball is what causes this acceleration to happen. This pressure varies between the different guns but is generally between 50 to 125 pounds per square inch at its peak. The air pressure peaks right when the ball starts moving down the barrel, after that, the ball moving down the barrel creates a bigger chamber so the pressure drops. This is why low pressure guns are a myth, in reality all guns shoot at considerably lower pressure than 200 psi.

Peak pressures above 150 psi tends to break balls down the barrel due to really high acceleration and G forces. If you don't have any way to control the peak pressure behind the ball, the only way you can change it is to go with lower pressure in the air chamber, hence low pressure guns. AGD uses the precise contour of the power tube tip to release air in a controlled manner behind the ball to limit peak pressures to around 60-80 psi..

It is simple to understand that the harder you push something the faster it will accelerate and get up to speed in a shorter distance. So what distance do we have to get the ball up to speed? The effective length of the barrel is from the balls position before it's fired, to the place in the barrel where the pressure gets released, This is usually at the first porting holes or the step in the barrel. Porting is there to release gas pressure!! You are effectively stopping the acceleration at the ports so your 14" barrel that is half full of holes only has an effective length of 7".

Now we understand that we need to limit the peak pressure behind the ball to keep it from blowing up, and that the pressure drops as the ball moves down the barrel. The next question we need to ask is, how far down the barrel does the ball have to go before the pressure gets to low to do anything useful? That answer is 8-10 inches. We know this from looking at the graphs that our gun dyno puts out. If your peak pressure is higher, say over 100 psi you can get away with a shorter barrel, if it's lower then you need a longer barrel. Since AGD is the only gun manufacturer to actually test their pressures behind the ball you might have a hard time getting this info for other guns.

So as far as our guns are concerned, the best efficiency would be had with an 8-10" effective length barrel. Since two piece ported barrels with an effective length of about 5-6" are the rage right now you hear a lot of complaints about gas efficiency. Under some circumstances there is a good reason to use a short effective length barrel. Short barrels cut off the acceleration abruptly by venting and this has the effect of tightening up the shot to shot velocity variation. If you need this at the expense of efficiency then go ahead. Tighter velocity control usually translates into some improvement in accuracy due to better consistency.

So if you want the best of all worlds, limit your peak pressure, let your ball accelerate all it wants, don't follow the crowd and keep asking questions. "

No BS, no magic gnomes and fairies, just straight proven-to-be-true science. They also make great guns BTW.

Dude, they sound nothing like that. They go "Our gun shoots farthest and we patented it so dont even think about it!"