cocker vs mag...not the usual :)

[Sudden Impact]

I've got a few things I would like to vent. I own an automag and I'm tired of hearing autococker this autococker that. I'm tired of hearing people say that my mag sucks compared to their cocker. Well lets set some things straight. Ive got 350 into my mag, of course its not going to compete with an Evolution X cocker. Another thing, I dont give a **** what kind of trigger job you have or what upgrades you can get, my mag is backup to my shocker, so why would I give a ****? If anyone else is tired of hearing **** like that...give me a "Hell yeah"

[Sudden Impact]

Before everyone blows up. I also like autocockers...so dont start saying im an ******* mag owner or something like that...They are great guns...just tired of them being compared and each other cutting the other one down.

[Silent Knight]

I know what you are talking about. But im on the other side of the fence. I own a cocker, and I am tired about hearing people who don't have cockers dog them just because they cannot afford one.

[Sudden Impact]

I just think its stupid to dog someone else's marker no matter what it is.

[ry_goody]

I personally think there is nothing wrong with a mag they are good reliable guns. I can also easily see why some people would want them. But the truth is that a cocker is just better than a mag. I can only see a few reasons why you would seriously consider a mag over a cocker unless you get into technicalities like a mag can technically shoot 22 balls a second without shootdown and all those other marketing gimmicks (I know there are alot of marketing gimmicks behidn the cocker too). But when I hear someone say that they want to upgrade to a cocker or mag from there blowback I will automaticly say the cocker. Thats mainly because now a days, people like that would want a mag over a cocker because there worried about reliability of the cocker. They have a friend or someone with a mag witch says they got it because the cocker is unreliable, to much maintenence for a cocker, costs too much to keep up, only for smart people who know what there doing blah blah blah. Which all those reasons aren't true. Then there are the few people who want a mag because it is small\compact, the only people that want that are people that for some reason think that by taking 1 inch off the height it will make them play better, I don't get that, maybe if your a midget it is understandable. So this all comes down to this, when I see a 16 year old or some other teenager with there mag which they think is the best. I can only frown on them because they were mis lead into thinking it is better than the cocker for some reason and if any critisizm were to come out of me for this reason, it would be directed torwards there mag since thats the reason I would frown on them.

One last thing, Sudden Impact I could easily see why you have a mag as a backup. You don't want something that will allow you to tweak it until it fails, you just want something that shoots until you can get your fine tuned gun working again. If I were to get a backup it would prolly be a mag, but for a primary I want something that will let me make it perfect.


[Edited by ry_goody on 05-27-2001 at 06:02 AM]

[Silent Knight]

Originally posted by Sudden Impact
I just think its stupid to dog someone else's marker no matter what it is.

EXACTLY!!!!!!

[Creek]

My self I like the mag.As for the cocker ( yes I can aford one) I don't. I dont like messing with a marker trying to get it just right.On the other hand A mag you dont.My mag now is just a rec marker cause my Impluse is my back up now.My Blazer is my main marker.
As far as being miss inform on a cocker I am not. I got a team menber that has one and he's always fine tuning the thing .I have been offer a cocker for my Impluse and turn it down. I don't rag on anyones marker for one reason WHY.
It is bs to say yours is better than his.I just play the game and show it on the field.Most of the time I am looking in the dead zone not looking out.

[method84]

well I think the mag is more reliable because of the lack of parts. The cocker is more complex and could be an annoying gun for people who dont like to tinker around. The mag is a reliable gun and it shoots fast and it takes co2 or nitro setups. The trigger is crisp and clean and I have shot both mag and cocker and owned a cocker and I think the mag trigger is better but thats my oppinion

As far as hating on the mag...Its your gun, your not the only person who bought the mag if that were ture then AGD wouldnt be around today. Alot of people own mags and at my field there are more mag users than cockers. The cocker is a great gun it does have great accuracy and range but it does lack the speed of the mag even with a trigger job. Thats my opinon also so I aint flamin anyone.

This topic will go far :p

[Spyder_Kid]

how can a cocker shoot so much further and so much more accurate if you have the same barrel, same paint, same reg, you get the point...id like someone to answer this one for me...its just air pushing a ball

[method84]

there is a diffrence but its not anything so noticable that you would want to throw your gun in the trash and get a cocker.

[Creek]

Well its how you set each marker up.And why in the heck would you put a reg on a mag when its built in the marker.If you put a reg on a mag can trash the one that came on the marker.A stabilizer before the reg is all you really need. Palmers wants me to dump the stock reg and put 2 stabilzers on the mag.So you see theres no way you can say you have the same set up as the cocker just on how the work diffrent of each other.

[Sudden Impact]

Well I bought my mag for two reasons. I wanted a backup to my shocker in case it ever goes down(like I said before :) ). and #2 it will be for my g/f to use when we are playing rec ball and such. So I had to take into consideration what she liked. I dont like cockers that much(the trigger) and she couldnt stand it, so I went with the mag. Simple enough. I wasnt planning on getting better performance out of the mag than a $800 custom cocker(got that with my shocker :) :) )

[ry_goody]

Spyder_kid, cockers don't really shoot further or have flatter trjectory ranges, its just marketing gimmicks. But stock 2000 cocker do run at 200 psi (spyders\tippmanns shoot at 800 psi, mags shoot at 400 psi) which is very soft on paintballs and the softer the gas is the more accurately it will propel them, its like gently pushing a paintball for a longer time instead of just whacking it as hard as you can really quick. That is why cockers are more accurate than most other guns.

[Creek]

Look at a paintball like a softball.to smack it as hard as you can and the thing turns into a spining football. Now with the same pich you hit it softer and it goes smoother and out longer.Thats where LP and HP come into play.This example isn't too the best but about the same guide lines

[Spyder_Kid]

thanks creek but i already got the lp talk in march or so in the blowback forum...so the shocker and matrix would be more accurate than the cocker...how could u make the automag operate at a lower pressure...where could u get higher flowing parts

[krasher]

Creek, are you sponsored by palmers? You said they wanted you to dual stab it and take out the AGD reg, would they have to custom make a mount for it, or would they just gut the AGD reg and put a sideline and male stab on it? Just wondering.

[Creek]

Originally posted by krasher
Creek, are you sponsored by palmers? You said they wanted you to dual stab it and take out the AGD reg, would they have to custom make a mount for it, or would they just gut the AGD reg and put a sideline and male stab on it? Just wondering.

You gut the reg and put a side-line stabilizer on the mags A.I.R. and that will be the reg plus you have a male vertical stabilizer before that one. The one on the a.i.r.you use to control the velocities. meaning you can also make it run around 300 too 400 psi. I wouldn't do the mod they would(palmers) for me

[Warner]

About doggin each others markers: to each his own.

But i have to say when this doesn't digress into a flame war much can be learned about each gun type. I didn't know that the stock 2000 cocker only went on 200 psi.