What are the benefits of an autococker?

[holymoly :O]

I want a new gun. I was thinking of an electro but autocockers seem to be very popular and the good ones cost a lot more than many electros. So I was considering a autococker but what benefits will it give me over an electro? thanks.

[ry_goody]

You get alot of custimaztion and I don't just mean buying new parts(which there are a ton of parts out there), you can custimize it very much by just messing with the timing. It has one of the best mechanical triggers on a pball gun. It has a good feel to it when shooting. It is quiet and has a unique sound. You get very good accuracy. It looks really cool. Just go to the pro shop and shoot one, you will like it.

[method84]

its a mechinical pump gun, therefore you get the accuracy and range as you would a pump with the speed of semi-auto. Its a great gun.

[Tekbone]

nothin beats the "ka-chunk" sound when firing a cocker :D

[ds613]

It doesn't need a battery, and there are no $100+ electronic parts to break. I got an electro for the r.o.f.

[DasBaldDog]

I agree. You get addicted to the "ka-chunk" the first time you hear it.

[method84]

I got an electro because the cocker was too much of a hassle and it has a higher ROF

[dawgs712]

the amount of upgrades for a cocker is insane. really no two are alike. todai saw someone with a 99 cocker running vertical with a 9 oz co2 and a black vl. that prob cost him around 300. i also saw cockers th ee so decked out i couldnt belivet

[Silent Knight]

cockers are the most upgradable guns on the market right now. next to cockers Spyders are also heavly supported by the aftermarket world

[DasBaldDog]

Yeah, I have alot of stuff on my cocker and I truly feel that it's mine.

[method84]

cockers arre endless. I was in debt from paying the local paintball shop all the money for my 98' cocker. Everytime I thought that it was maxed out I found out there was something else to upgrade.

Its definetly a good gun for anyone who likes to tinker around. I will buy another one this summber probablly.

[Richy_C]

buyer beware, cockers are sweet, look awsome (blackmagic, freeflow etc...) Cockers are money pits! i know people who can't afford to ply because they busted it all on their cockers, watch out

[krasher]

Most of, if not all, the upgrades on a new cocker you don't need at all. The stock LPR CAN be adjusted. The stock reg can too. The new 3 ways are great. All you really need is a .45 frame, barrel and revvy...but most people get so caught up in pimping out their guns that they end up spending tons.

[Silent Knight]

oh hell yea. I think this applies to paintball in general. when i started playing i never thought i would invest more then $500 (not including paint) i am starting to buy more stuff for paintball then my car! damn

the cocker being the most upgradable gun is not helping either! lol

[method84]

well the stock cocker works fine to me and there no difference between the stock cocker and the black magic that would make me want to spend 500 dollars more. Most of the black magic is cosmetics..mostly all high end cockers are cosmetics. For once, I would like people to concentrate on their parts and not their stupid milling or cool anodizing. Its really dumb. I perfer a black gun. Why do you think Spyder goes out and make their guns shiny? It looks appealing to little kids. THey think the btter it looks the better it performs and thats just dumb. Even that crappy STO cocker is not worth it at all! Its a pathetic rip off. If I were to buy a new cocker it would just be a stock WGP cocker...thats it.

[Ded]

Originally posted by Tekbone
nothin beats the "ka-chunk" sound when firing a cocker :D

actually, isn't it more of a phfffe-ta phfffe-ta?

[Warner]

In reagard to the comment about cometics:

Cockers can reach to the $1800+ range for price. What your paying for after the $1000 is cosmetics. You can get the best cocker, the best, most advanced high end parts on it for $1000. But like cars people like their guns to look sweet too, so they dish out hundreds of dollars for that look.

Can you blame them for this? Look at one of these $1500+ guns and you can't help but be blown away. :)

[DasBaldDog]

True enough. Although I disagree with the price estimates. With exception to the shroud, a 2k1 stock cocker performs almost (like 1% less) as good as some others mentioned above (Black Magic, KAPP, Free Flow....etc) I know cause I've played with them all. It's come to the point that WGP's stock equip (except for bolt and barrel) are as good if not better than most aftermarket equipment. When you buy a custom, you are playing for three things: Prestige, Polish, Power (of intimidation). Most of the cost of a $1800 cocker is put into the name of the builder, anodizing and milling. That's it. You can built a cocker that will perform just as good as an Evolution (my personal fav.) out of a stock for around $600 if not less. The only things, like I said earlier, that need to be upgraded off a stock, is the bolt and barrel. The reg, ram, 3-way, inline reg, back block, valve, it's basically all the same. If you want a LP gun, you might want to switch Inline Regs and Valves. People put too much stock into what it looks like and not how it performs.

Summing it all up. A stock cocker will rock out of the box. You get more than you pay for or think you get. Sorry for the length.

[Tekbone]

Originally posted by Ded
Originally posted by Tekbone
nothin beats the "ka-chunk" sound when firing a cocker :D

actually, isn't it more of a phfffe-ta phfffe-ta?

Probably, just didnt want to attempt to sound it out and spell it haha :)

[Congobongo]

ok i know that cockers are closed bolt guns, but what makes it so accurate? Well i do know but i want to know why.

[Wasimodo]

Actually, it's not accurate because it's a closed bolt gun. Open bolt versus closed bolt makes no difference in accuracy.

[dawgs712]

lets not start this gain..oh god

[DasBaldDog]

Closed bolt makes it less succeptable to dirt and other debris. It call also make it quieter if you have a good barrel and paint match. Everyone knows that pump guns are inherently more accurate for one reason or another. What alot of people don't realize is that an Autococker is technically a PUMP GUN. Now before you go and shout at me, let me explain. The Sniper was a pump gun, no one disagrees there. All an autococker is, is a Sniper will a small assembly that pneumatically pumps the gun for you. So, to most people it's not a pump gun, but consider it a SUPER Pump gun. It has pneumatics to control the pumping arm. I know there is alot of "technicalities" to my statements but if you just open your mind just a tad and look at it from a different angle, an Autococker is just as much a pump gun, as an Angel (no offense to Angel owners, wait, I'm one) can be a semi.

[dawgs712]

he's right. its a pump can that pumps via gas being sent to the pneumatics. so you pump it every time you pull the trigger. so its a very fast pump gun

[DasBaldDog]

Wow, I didn't think anyone would agree cause it's kind of a strange way of looking at it. Thanks Dawgs for being open minded.

[Wasimodo]

Sure, he's definitely right. That's why you can upgrade a Sniper to an Autococker if you install the pneumatics.

[DasBaldDog]

I was thinking of taking one of my cockers and I guess, downgrading it into a Sniper. Can it be done?

[Congobongo]

ok i already knew that so then what makes a pump hella accurate, i heard pumps just make people aim so thats why its accurate but there hasta be something to it, you dont hafta go into depth just tell me briefly cuz im trying tell my friend that cockers are way better then just regular spyders and yet he still wont believe me all he asks me is why

[DasBaldDog]

I think it's the fact that all the gas goes straight to the bolt and is not routed anywhere else (routing causes turbulence in the gas). Now when I say the gas isn't routed, I mean, the gas going to the bolt isn't routed. There is another jet of gas sent to the pneumatics. That is the job of the three way, it sends one jet to pneumatics and another jet to the bolt.

Another theory is the fact since the pneumatics is an outside entity from the gun, all the gun itself does is shoot. Therefore, the gun itself is simple and proficient and accurate as there are few moving parts (as Angels are accurate with few moving parts).

In short, accurate because base gun design is simple and reliable. (pneumatics not part of base design)

[Congobongo]

cool thanks, finally i know why hehe

[Wasimodo]

Out of curiosity, how hard would it be to put together a cocker out of parts?

[DasBaldDog]

If you know what you're doing, not hard at all. If you know someone who knows what they're doing, not hard at all. If you think a high end marker is a Stingray, just quit now. I recommend either taking a airsmithing course from WGP or find someone who knows what they're doing (I suggest ALOT of expierence). My friend Andy has worked on them for 3 years, has built 4 of his own from scratch and even teaches classes on behalf of WGP (they liscensed him to). He works on mine for me, until I can take a WGP class myself. DON'T try and do it off a website. I mean, build and time it. I have YET to find a website that describes it accurately.

[Congobongo]

where can u take a wgp course? dasbaldog this might be a stupid question but im debating on whether to buy a 99 for 200 bucks or a 2001 for 340. Is there a dif in the two designs of the markers, or just some dif parts.

[DasBaldDog]

Not $140 worth of difference. Most cocker owners take IMMACULATE care of their markers. Take a look at the marker, if it looks good, go for it. My first cocker was a '96 and it still shoots fine. I still play with it on occasion (I have a gun rotation). I'm not sure where you can take a WGP course. You might search online on Yahoo or something. Go to http://www.worr.com or something or try http://www.durtydan.com or heck, just post a thread in the High End Marks forum. Someone on here would know. I'd ask Andy but he's in Colorado on a rafting trip at the moment and I doubt he took his cell phone.

[Congobongo]

ok cool just what i wanted to hear, ya i live in california though ill just ask around about taking a wgp course, i know how a cocker works, but i dunno all that niddy griddy tech stuff and i really should know that so i can fix it myself instead of having to take it into a shop.

[DasBaldDog]

Yeah, Andy said the one he took was in CA somewhere and he said it was kinda fun.

[method84]

Hows is the sniper? I was thinking of getting a pump gun for fun and I have a hammer I play around with. It has a lot of upgrades (terminator baarel) lol. But I seriously want a pump gun that would actually be playable with. I also like the looks of that sterling pump or the phantom. My fiend had a phantom and it was awsome.

[ds613]

I was thinking of taking one of my cockers and I guess, downgrading it into a Sniper. Can it be done?

Yes, go to: http://www.worr.com/retail/access/index.html
They sell a kit do do that.

[DasBaldDog]

My friend the airsmith has several Snipers(II's) and I love. They feel like a semi just you have to pump them. They are massively accurate with a good paintmatch. Phantoms are more accurate but more common. I like the look on people's faces when you walk out there with something they've never seen.

[dawgs712]

here is a site that shows you how a cocker works. the blue area has air passing through it.

http://www.worr.com/technical/animated-autococker.gif

here is a great site that teaches timing....

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~rchopra/Articles/AutocockerInfosheet/ACTroub.html#Timing


these should do you well