Can u do this???

[A damn fool]

Im getting an aftermarket reg for my shuter, mot likely the palmer stabilizer, and i was wondering if i could take to stock guage from stock regulator, whic im replacing with a lapco drop forward, and add it to my aftermarkt reg somewhere?

[Brazen]

yes there is a hole on the stabalizer for a guage.

[A damn fool]

But will the spyder guage fit it, cause sypder makes al there threads metri, and i dont know if the guage is too. I was htinking bout mounting on the asa adapter though, cause i might not get the palmer stabilizer, i imight get the pmi pure energy regulator instead.

[TLplus84]

i wouldn't go through all that trouble. Just go out and buy a 10 dollar gauge for your stabalizer so that you can see what pressure you are getting from your tank(bottomline reg) and then what pressure your gun is running at(stabalizer gauge).

[A damn fool]

True, but now i think im gonna get the pmi pure energy regulator, i heard that one works really good, or the vigilante, but i heard tht one doesnt work on co2. The stabilizer is a lot of money, and form what ive heard, most regulators re the same.

[Brazen]

o ya, it probobaly wont fit. the worst that can happen is the guage wont fit and u will have to get a new one. are u running co2 or nitro?

[elTwitcho]

The vigilante is awesome but it wont run on CO2, and the way the gage works is stupid, it only shows Input PSI, not output, which is dumb as hell. But it's got great flow rate, and consistency, but I dont believe it works on CO2. The palmer stab is very good on CO2 though

[A damn fool]

I am at the monent running co2, what i think im gonna do is just buy an expansion chamber for now with the drop forward, and then when i go nitro, ill buy the vigilante, cause the way i figure it, im gonna go nitro eventually, and its cheaper in the oong run to have an expaniosn chamebr for co2 and the vigilante for nitro. but sicne right now i play in a foot of snow, i figure an expnaison chamber should work fine

[SmartBall]

I knew you by your "Blue shutter, 16 in. Dye boomstick". Ya you post a lot on P8ntballer.com. Don't take any of these responces to be true, just go wit what they say on P8ntballer. Sofar those seem to be the best responces i've seen (and the most logical).
You must be the only other person(besides me) who uses the same name on both forums. Oh well good luck with your shutter.
Most of the people on here are talking sh*t so don't go by what they say!
go to your local paintball shop and seek professional info!
it helps. you will be satified because you can try the stuff right at the store, so you know what your getting. good luck :)

[A damn fool]

Thats true, but the last time i went to my pro shop, i bought an expansion chamber, the guy never told me that the spyder gun has a metric screw, and he didnt know either, so he told me to screw the line right into the expanison chamber, it strippied out the ex chamber, and i had to sell it back to them for half the cost, cause now it was useless, so the onyl i go there is for paint and air. I know p8nballer is good, but i try and get a hwole diffrernt oipinion on everything, im on warpig too. But after all of this, i still dont know if i should go for an ex chamber, or a reg, and if a reg, the stabilizer orpmi pure energy so i still dont know what to do

[SmartBall]

The "real" best setup for a shutter (and most practicle) would be sumpin like this...
1. 16 in. dye boom stick (perfect length for back players)
2. Shocktech quik release Delrin bolt (just... SWEEET)
3. Shocktech LVC chamber long (great looking)
4. Venom turbo valve (great for HPA, or N2)
5. Vigilante or PMI reg (two great regs, one cheap,one well...)
6. Some kind of Drop forward (lapco or something)
7. As much stainless internal parts aas you can find ( will last onger and perform better)
8. Better Grips! (those grips just, SUCK!)
9. Crossfire 68ci steel tank (great tank, great price)
10. Trigger job (that trigger sucks!)
11. Shocktech Spring set (great for LP!)

thats about it and about all any thing beyond that is just about a waste of money (upgrading a spyder is a waste of money, unfortanettly though! U never get your full money back, not even close). So if you save up your money, instead of upgrading, you can buy a cocker (which will please you very, very much!). so just try it! Who knows you might like it.

SmartBall

[TLplus84]

personally i think that 16 inch barrels are WAY too long. I use a 12 inch, and won't use something past a 14. The other aftermarket stuff you listed sounds pretty good, althogh for LP i would use the AKA Lightning bolt. What you listed is petty similar to what I have on my gun.

[Richy_C]

did you mean bench marks for better grips? i have benchies, they are sweet w/stickies

[A damn fool]

Smartball, sounds like a good setup, cept i already have a bolt cyclone 3, and i took out the venturi head , so it will work great for low pressure( the diamter of the bolt head is larger then the one on the stock, so that is why i out the bolt and did something i could have with just the stock bolt) and im getting the dye sticky grips. The setup sounds sweet, but where can i get it all, and how much would it cost? plus, im not going nitro yet, im just gona run co2 for the time being. And yeah, the cocker is pretty sweet, but it is too high maintance. I know someone who has one, and the first day he played, he got shot in the gun, and he ****ed up the timing, and coulnt use it ne more. Same with a mag, theyre very hihg maintance guns, but stil they perform better then spyders, but for now, im happy with upgrading my shutter. And tlplus84, a 16 inch barrel isnt too long, at least when its a boomstick. Its such a great barrel the efficiency only increase as u get it longer. If ver have a chance to shoot something like the 16 boomstick, ull know what i mean when u compare it to a 14 inch other barrel.

[TLplus84]

i've shot a 16 in. Boomstick on my spyder...always got in the way when i tried to tuck in close to a bunker...as for the cost....hrm...get a Pure Energy reg....those are like 50 bucks and work great. As for a Low pressure chamber, if Kingman provided one, it's fine becuase i still use mine and it works great. Irun my gun at sub 300 psi, and i haven't had problems. As for a valve, the best for LP is the AKA Tornado valve, although any sort of Turbo Valve will do. The valve, if you don't get a tornado valve, which is 60 bucks, will cost around 20 to 25. The bolt you are using, the Cyclone 3, is fine for lp. hope taht helped a little.

[A damn fool]

I know i have an lp chmaber, but i want to get another one thats bigger, jsut ne thing to help, plus they look better. Do u have ne recomendations for the turbo valve, and where i could get one. And, did u polish ur internals or widen the hole to ur asa adapter to bring the guns pressure ne lower?

[A damn fool]

If i went nitro, what tank would i have to get to allow at least 1000 shots without a lp setup, and if i did, how many shots would i then get from the tank?

[ptflyer]

I have to dissagree with the statement..."(upgrading a spyder is a waste of money,unfortanettly though! U never get your full money back, not even close)"....

If done correctly...you can have a killer sypder...and when you finally move up to that cocker...you cant put you spyder back to stock..and use your reg...if you got a good one...and your D/F just take off the adapter...and your N2 tank..on your new....probably stock or close to it...cocker..and have a sweet hookup...Just my 2 cents...

[A damn fool]

Yeah, u can make a kick *** spyder set up, if u want to see some real nice ones, go to g3pb.com they got some crazy spyders. So far ive onyl played rec, so and upgraded spyder works great, i kick *** with it. The gun is only 20% of how gppd u are, and when i play i have balls, so i would kick *** with a freakin razor or something (actually, i might go out and try that one day, i know someone with oen.) but i still want a killer setup. How does this sound

PMI PURE ENERGY REG
SPYDER STRETCH Z DROP FORWARD
TURBO VALVE (udecided which one, need inout)
SHOCKTECH LP CHAMBER
SIN PAINT JOB
DYE STICKY GRIPS

[SmartBall]

I was always looking for a good drop forward for my spyder, so i could use my HPA tank form my shocker on it. That way i could use it more effectivly as a backup gun...

[ptflyer]

...a reugulator or a killer set up...which is it you are looking to get....as for the guage....it shoulc work fine in the regulator that you are looking at...so long as it has an extra hole for a guage....

But if you are looking for a killer set up for your marker...I would recomend that you set it up for LP...get that "turbo" valve...get that high flow bolt....get a good set of springs...(madman or 32o have good sets for spyders)and most important....drill out you ASA....

That will make your shutter awsome...and you will be able to shoot at about 250 psi if you want to go that low...

oh..yea...then you can go get yourself that new reg you were looking at....

Just my 2 cents...

[A damn fool]

The on im ordering is form paintballpx.com. They have them just for sypder guns, go to air systems

[TLplus84]

for a valve, I have a Venom Turbo valve, and im satisfied with it, althouh ANY turbo valve will do. They are all around the same. i donno if Diamond Labs is still around, butif they are...their valve is identical to AKA's, but is 25 bucks. I think they went out of business though...

[SmartBall]

R u sure there for spyders? i looked at the picture and it had the standered 2 hole setup- not kingmans stupid off set design.

G i hate kingman for making that STUPID design! all they wanted to do was make it so it couldn't be upgraded!

This Sux!

SmartBall

[A damn fool]

Yep, they have a chrome and a balck one for spyders, it says standard, and then a spyder version. Tl plus, what kind of lpc do u have, im looking for a really long one thatll look good on my gun

[SmartBall]

Could u go to the exact page it's on and copy that link, then paste it dowon on a responce? please.
I just can't find the stupid link!
Copy the sypder version link, so i can just click the order button.

Thanx,

SmartBall

[TLplus84]

i have the stock kingman lpc. I run sub 300 psi and it hasen't failed me since. I don't feel likegoin out and buying a 40 dollar lpc when the one i have now works fine.

[SmartBall]

But my stock reg got stripped when i tried to add a standerd threaded macro line hose to it. So now me reg is SCREWED! Darn! The drop 4wrd that kingman gives you won't except a regular ASA thing so i can't just buy a new ASA adapter! This really sux! oh well thats why i need a new one, not just because i do. it's performance man! i gotta have it. I was supposed to paintball this weekend but the gun doesn't work with out the ASA thing, and its too late to order a new one, so i'll just rent one. Hey for $3 at Skirmish, it can't be beaten!

SmartBall

[A damn fool]

I jsut ordered my setup tonight, my gun is gonna be sweet. So far, i ahev a blue spyde shutter, 16 inch dye boomstick, 12 volt blue rev and elbow, crossman laser sight, cyclone 3 bolt, and 20 ounce co2 tank. What i ordered was:

Stretch z drop forward
pmi pure energy reg
wgp bottemline adapter
taso turbo valve kit
unique spyder lvc long
another double trigger ( ine snapped will working on it)Macroline kit
Anti syphon tube

And to top it all off, my dad is tking my gun to his work where theyll drill out the asa adaptor , and chrome polish the body. that will kick ***. Cant wait to try out my new lp system, Only problem, how do i test where my psi is at wihtout a guage. (MIhgt not be a problem though, i might be able to get that put on my asa adpapter and tapped to with the other stuf nbeing done)

Thanks for all ur input on what i should do for my gun, next upgrade wil be the elcd triger frame

[A damn fool]

Smart ball, heres the xact link. Notice that one end is standard for the bottomline adapter, but the other is set for a spuyder. U rught, they are ***s, and what sucks even more is if u didnt buy a drop forward w/ standard bottemline, ud never be able to make a nice setup because uda have those stupid metric to standard adapters all over the place.

http://www.paintballpx.com/paintballpx.filereader?323226013+EN/products/1380

http://www.paintballpx.com/paintballpx.filereader?323226013+EN/products/1381