hey, your all tippy's

[Paint Bulley]

hehe, i have no clue what Im saying......

anyways,

You know how all the little retarded spyder and pirahna owners get those E-grips....

can you get an e-grip for a tippy?

My cousin wants an E-Pirahna, and he has a tippy, so I think that is the biggest waste of money in the world......could he get an egrip for his tippy?

Thanks,

[Meph]

http://tippmann.com/systems/ebolt.asp

[Digital]

online store: http://www.actionvillage.com/011-7020-553.html

[White Demon]

no you can't get a E-grip for a tippy, plus e-grips suck, anyway the links that they put up are the e bolt, the ebolt makes it a true electropnuematic and not just a fast trigger

[Paint Bulley]

that's a lot of money......

do any of you guys actually have one of those?

[White Demon]

i dont, like you said thats alot of money, plus i dont need to upgrade my tippy cause i just ordered a STO cocker

bwahahaha

[Paint Bulley]

well I have a tribal so I still got ya beat :) (IMO)


this is for my cousin though....

would he be better off with a tippy with an e bolt

or a pirahna e grip or something wierd

[Digital]

Of course not, I fail to see the point in buying one, By the time you get a barrel, and the E-bolt, I could have me an autococker, Which is what I did, he he. Really, I wouldn't put that much money into the tippmanns. There great guns yes. but if you want a real e-marker there are others out there for that price of the e-bolt.

[tonysk83]

well if you can find me a true electro pnuematic gun for te price of the e-bolt, then i will believe you, the ebolt isnt just a sear tripper, it is a true electro pnuematic kit

[Digital]

M3 Dragun LCD (http://www.actionvillage.com/paintball-guns-m3-paintball-guns-black-dragun-lcd.html)

Mayhem Electronic (http://www.actionvillage.com/paintball-guns-pgi-paintball-guns.html)

Spyder Flash (http://www.actionvillage.com/010-4044-1.html)

Spyder AMG (http://www.actionvillage.com/010-4043.html)

are a few... 2 or 3 are $200

[tonysk83]

those arent electro pneumatic guns, those are electronic sear trippers, those are blowbacks with electric frames

[Digital]

I ended up just coping those real fast, I didn't accually recearch... Black Dragun I do think is a real E-marker...

[Paint Bulley]

im sure you could find used markers for under 297...

tribals :)

[Empyreal Rogue]

Ok, look at it this way:

Joe Blow thinks to himself; Hey, I want an A-5! Joe Blow goes out and buys a stock A-5. Joe Blow visits Tippmannpneumatics.com and guess what he finds, the E-Bolt. Joe Blow gets a 400 dollar pay check and decides to buy an E-Bolt and Response Trigger. Along with that he purchases a Double Trigger. So in summery: Joe Blow just bought a Stock Angel IR3+ for around 600 dollars.

Now I'm going to get attacked from the Autococker side, well here's another scenario:

Jack Wang thinks to himself; Hey, my Pro/Carbine isn't good for up front play, but I don't have the money for an Autococker. Jack Wang buys an A-5. Jack Wang buys a Response Trigger and Double Trigger. Jack Wang just bought a stock Autococker for less than 375 dollars.

I've yet to understand why Autococker and Angel users say upgrading a tippmann is pointless. Would you like to know? I'll tell you. **note: this information was taken from several posts on the Tippmann Pneumatics forum. end note**

Ben Dover is reading the newspaper and he sees an ad for an opening paintball store. Ben Dover becomes interested. Ben Dover goes to the opening debut of Wang's and Blow's Balls and More. Ben Dover wants to play paintball, however Ben Dover doesn't know what kind of gun to get, nor how he enjoys to play. Ben Dover decides to observe a few games. Ben Dover sits and stands and ducks and hides and watches games, Ben Dover decides he wants a gun for a person that doesn't shoot more than he'd like and has good range. Ben Dover buys a stock 98C. Now, time progresses on Ben Dover and he gets to thinking that maybe he WANTS to shoot a lot and play up front. Now Ben Dover goes back to Wang's and Blow's Balls and More Paintball store, he sees the gun that would do just what he wants. $400. Ben Dover finds Tippmann upgrades to do the same thing for $200. So now Ben Dover has a stock Autococker for $350. More time progresses and Ben Dover decides to go into the Army. 3 years later Ben Dover decides to change his old Tippmann to replicate his guns from 'nam. Point being: Tippmann guns GROW on you and WITH you. Instead of spending oodles of money at one time, with a Tippmann you can get the same gun, gradually. Sure some smart arse will start saying something about patience and all that, but in Paintball patience doesn't exist, everything is either over in the blink of an eye or lasts for hours.

[Digital]

Do you belive Pumps are more accurate?

[Meph]

Originally posted by Empyreal Rogue
and decides to buy an E-Bolt and Response Trigger.

Buys both? Oh, he wants to use both of them?

[Digital]

Last time I checked, there not compatable... RT is a gas hog anyway. and if you want to buy e-bolt, go bu you a real E-marker. or a used cocker.

[White Demon]

go bu you a real E-marker. or a used cocker.



first of all when you buy the ebolt it makes the tippy a "real" e marker just cause it didnt start out one doesnt mean it isnt real.

second his whole post was to point out that you dont need to spend the money to buy a real e marker, yes you can get a used cocker for that price but the story was just hypothetical and wasnt ment to cover all possibilties, (imo) it was just to open stuck up high end gun users minds.

at least thats what i got out of his little story

go tippmann!!

[White Demon]

Do you belive Pumps are more accurate?


just curious, where did that come from? it was kinda out of the blue.

And who were you asking

[tonysk83]

if anyone says pumps are more accurate, they are not, that means an autococker is more accurate, alot of times people think pumps are more accrate because you take time to lie up your shot, second plaing with pumps makes you have a better eye, when you use a pump you pump it fire a shot, then you pump it again but most of the time you still cant keep your gun lined up with your target, so you have to find your target again and fire, doing this alot makes you as a player have a better eye

[Meph]

Originally posted by Digital
Last time I checked, there not compatable... RT is a gas hog anyway. and if you want to buy e-bolt, go bu you a real E-marker. or a used cocker.

1) Yeah, it's pretty obvious they're not compatible.
2) RT is a gas hog? I can't comment. I always thought using excess blowback gas wouldn't hurt efficiency, but I'm only guessing.
3) Buy a real e-marker? Oh, so the E-framed Spyders and Black Draguns are real e-makers as compared to the copy-cat wannabe of the e-bolt?

[Digital]

Just an idea. I think there other markers outthere that are e-markers weather jsut a spyder with an e-frame or a real E-marker that are better than the tippy w/ e-bolt for same price. I could care less what he does. his money. Just my all unimportant opinion wrong or right...

[AdamBomb98c]

the ebolt makes ur 98c a TRUE ELECTRO; solenoid operative. i know this has been said already but some people are trying to beat around the bush so to speak. all E-spyders, with the exception of the EM-1, are ETS markers, (electro sear tripper); these are not true electro's.
the E-98c has a solenoid
the cheap imitations do not. but they are equally as competitive. i just got back from a 5hour day of pball at a local field. almost every gun there was a cocker, black dragun, impulse or 98c. the black draguns keep up pretty well with the impulses, but i found that the true electro's (impulses) were the ones who delievered the best distance, accuracy, and consistancy.

[AdamBomb98c]

Originally posted by tonysk83
if anyone says pumps are more accurate, they are not, that means an autococker is more accurate, alot of times people think pumps are more accrate because you take time to lie up your shot, second plaing with pumps makes you have a better eye, when you use a pump you pump it fire a shot, then you pump it again but most of the time you still cant keep your gun lined up with your target, so you have to find your target again and fire, doing this alot makes you as a player have a better eye
autocockers and pumps are more accurate b/c they are closed bolt........it has notthing to do with lining up the shot or targetting. this is an age old arguement, closed bolt VS open bolt, it gets old so please dont start it up.

[Empyreal Rogue]

Sorry, I don't know a whole lot about the E-bolt other than it regulates CO2 and makes the marker a real 'electro' and it has Full Auto and 3 (maybe 2, can't remember) burst modes.

Same thing with the response trigger. But I got my point across, that's all the post was suppose to do. :D

[sniper14]

Originally posted by AdamBomb98c

autocockers and pumps are more accurate b/c they are closed bolt........it has notthing to do with lining up the shot or targetting. this is an age old arguement, closed bolt VS open bolt, it gets old so please dont start it up.

not to start anything up, but i think it was War Pig that did a test w/ open and closed bolt stuff, neather is more accurate. they are the same.

[pbfreaker]

if u want a "true electo" the new bko bushmasters r like 300. But jw, y would u wanna spend $300 on an up grade that puts a giant pimple on the side of ur gun. I mean the 98 custom is already ugly enough the last thing it need is a giant pimple attacking the gun

[Digital]

I don't really trust that test, WARPIG is a great site and has some damn good info, but Takeing a Marker that wasn't build origonaly as a Closed bolt and turning it into one doesn't convey that it will preform as good as a trun closed bolt. Espesialy the stingray witch is the marker they used. I would have to see the marker and test in person before I could belive it...

[sniper14]

i think people say that closed bolt guns are mor accurate is cuz cockers are closed bolt, cockers are high end guns, consistant, most have some kind reg on it, and most of the time a good barrel

[Digital]

There could be some truth to that...

[tonysk83]

Originally posted by AdamBomb98c

autocockers and pumps are more accurate b/c they are closed bolt........it has notthing to do with lining up the shot or targetting. this is an age old arguement, closed bolt VS open bolt, it gets old so please dont start it up.

wow its closed bolt, actually playing with pumps over a long period of time will make you a better player, ill try to find the article on it.

[specter542]

they took at STINGRAY and tried to make it closed bolt. they suceeded but it was actually a bolt action marker. still closed bolt. similar to a breach load system.....in other words, i dont trust warpig. lol

[Meph]

Oh bloody hell.

Okay, guys, I'm going to let you all in on a "secret". I didn't like the Warpig review either, I thought it didn't cover enough field, and they chose a poor gun to use.

I have already wrote up about half of the article as it is, and I'm not sure what magazine to submit it to. But I've done a similar conversion with a quality gun (i.e. Tippmann Pro/Carbine). And I've done a lot more testing and research with this than Warpig even thought of doing. Like close range accuracy, overall distance, long range accuracy, et cetera.

What is the outcome? Is closed bolt truely better than open bolt?

I can not say, but I do have concrete proof! You'll just have to wait until i finish the article and submit it. I'm thinking Crossfire Mag I might submit it to, but I don't know yet. Just because I like Munky, he's a cool guy. And if I can talk with him, I'm sure it'll be a headliner.

[Digital]

Angels are open bolt ain't they? If they are then could they use a stock Cocker and a stock angel? Those are 2 markers that are real close in proformance... what do you think...

[sniper14]

i think if u could use more than one gun to do the tests, like if u used 5 or so, and made it so they all were open bolt and closed bolt. i think if u made a cocker a open bolt gun that it wouldnt be up to its normal performance tho, i think Digitals idea might work w/ the Angel and Cocker test, the same thing that i said for the cocker, if u take an Angel and made it a closed bolt gun then i dont think it would preform to its max.

[Meph]

Digital, you have to think better than that. Which is why I don't like just cocker side to an angel tests. Too many factors.

The reason it's so important to use the same gun is to limit away any and all factors EXCEPT for bolt position. You are using the same valve, same operating pressure, same bolt design, same barrel, same paint, you name it. The only difference in this type of testing is how the bolt operates.

So that is really the most critical part of the test.

*and yes, Angels are open bolt. So aren't almost all electros (Timmys, Viking, Impulse, Bushmaster, et cetera). Except for the shocker and excalibur. I can't comment on Matrix, I've never really looked that up, and I've heard too many people saying it's closed or open bolt to know which it really is. Nor do I care to find out.

[sMeG!^!hEaD]

In some ways they are and in some ways they aren't