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i like tictacs
08-08-2002, 05:59 PM
A spyder compact with an e-frame, progressive barrel and a HP (high-pressure) max-flow regulator
VS.
A stock impulse, comes stock with LP max flo, progresive barrel etc.
me and paintballerX, prorbably one of the smartest people here, had an actual diligent conversation over the matter. please read.
i like tictacs: what do u think of spyders compared to high end guns
P8Nt3aLl3rX: What do you mean?
P8Nt3aLl3rX: Referring to your signature, I suppose?
i like tictacs: no, just about the people on the forums
i like tictacs: who are comparing spyders to high end electros and saying their guns are better
P8Nt3aLl3rX: Well, I'll compare a Spyder, upgraded, to an Impulse. Let's say the Spyder has an e-frame, Max-Flo regulator, and Teardrop barrel, same as the stock Impulse. I would personally take the spyder over the impulse. Why?
P8Nt3aLl3rX: Because it's the exact same, but with a better trigger pull.
i like tictacs: lol
i like tictacs: why do people hate on impulse triggers
P8Nt3aLl3rX: I feel that for the same price as an impulse, you can make a Spyder better. An upgraded Spyder > stock impulse, depending on the upgrades.
i like tictacs: spyders have the same amount of side to side play
i like tictacs: so tehrfore upgraded impulse > stock matrix
P8Nt3aLl3rX: They're sloppy, lots of play in the trigger, long...they feel like slightly-electronic mechanical triggers, if that makes sense.
P8Nt3aLl3rX: Depends on the upgrades.
i like tictacs: i dont like really short triggers anyway
i like tictacs: and i do think that the effeciency, quietness and dependebility make up for the trigger, plus the wieght and size
P8Nt3aLl3rX: But anyways, what does an Impulse have that makes it better than a Spyder with an e-frame, the same barrel, and the same max-flo reg?
P8Nt3aLl3rX: Ah, the low noise-signature is one good thing, that's true.
i like tictacs: lower pressure, much much better effiency, less chops, more compact and less kick, quietr
P8Nt3aLl3rX: However, the consistency will be more or less the same, even more so with nitrogen.
i like tictacs: yea, the reg makes the conssitency
P8Nt3aLl3rX: Are you speaking Impulse/Spyder or Impulse/Matrix at the moment?
i like tictacs: so im not saying that with the same reg one will be more or less
i like tictacs: spyder/ impulse
P8Nt3aLl3rX: Alright.
P8Nt3aLl3rX: All of those are valid points.
P8Nt3aLl3rX: However, when you really think about it, there won't be much difference either way.
i like tictacs: what do you mean?
P8Nt3aLl3rX: If you get the chance, play a game with a Spyder, upgraded with an e-frame, nice regulator, and a nice barrel.
i like tictacs: ive played a game with a AMG
P8Nt3aLl3rX: You will hardly notice a difference performance-wise, just the sound and kick will be easy to recognize.
i like tictacs: i just dont like how they feel
i like tictacs: yea^^ thats what i mean
P8Nt3aLl3rX: And some don't like how Impulses feel.
i like tictacs: it also seems like, mismatches
i like tictacs: llike
i like tictacs: smooth pull, rough firing
i like tictacs: i dunno
P8Nt3aLl3rX: I don't like Impulses myself...I owned a Rat and sold it after a couple of weeks.
I feel valid points were presented on both sides. what do you raelly think, can we try to have an unbiased, intelligent conversation over this. And please if you are going to be horribly biased and not open minded please stay out. If you have something to say thats nasty, PM me, keep it off this thread. There are many impulse owners who are very close minded, and many spyders owners who are close minded, and you damn well know who you are. just stay out. :eyes: an eye is upon you.
PaintballerX
08-08-2002, 06:02 PM
Wow...that looks mighty familiar! :)
My point is and always will be that with a few upgrades and the price of a stock Impulse, you can have a blowback that performs basically the same and better in many areas.
Woohoo! I'm the smartest person in here! :P
Mike
i like tictacs
08-08-2002, 06:05 PM
yes, true. now put the same money you put into that spyder into an impulse. see where we're going?
if i respond here, tic tacs wont post in here. or so he said.
Your a baby, your so smart you have to whine and post you conversation. Who here cares?................................my point has been made:mad:
Originally posted by AK47
Your a baby, your so smart you have to whine and post you conversation. Who here cares?................................my point has been made:mad:
i dont know what ur point is, but if you hate tic tacs ur cool with me :tup:
RichardL926
08-08-2002, 06:09 PM
stock impulses arent that efficient....
DeFauLt
08-08-2002, 06:11 PM
stock impies have HORRIBLE efficency. that's why people use co2 with them. more shots per fill.
VeNoM
08-08-2002, 06:15 PM
ya, gotta agree. It may even be possible to make a spyder more efficient than an impulse. I honestly agree, I would rather use a tricked spyder than a stock impulse, I don't really like impulses though . . .
midknight
08-08-2002, 06:27 PM
Ok, first of all, Impys tend to work better w. CO2 (w. anti-siphon, of course) than they do with nitro. Both my friend's and my Impulses work much better off CO2 than nitrogen. Also, there is much more than what you people are saying about the differences between Impys and Spyders. First of all, Spyders are blow-back guns while Impulses are completely electro-pnumatic. Their internals are very different, and their trigger frames are light years apart. Their circuit boards are also very different, the Spyder's controls just the frame while the Impys helps to control the gun (but not totally). Also, in my experience, my Impy (with the Progressive) has outshot Spyders/Piranahs/Rebels with all kinds of barrels, ranging from JJ 2-piece and All-Americans to the cheapest POS barrels. Both my and my friend's Impulses outrange them by a significant distance.
then YOUR markers firing hot
VeNoM
08-08-2002, 06:44 PM
ya, pretty much, or they are shooting slow. I know the difference between the internals and what kind of markers they are, I just don't like a lot of electros (meaning electropneumatic) I don't like solenoids :P
i like tictacs
08-08-2002, 06:55 PM
I doubt any spyder is more effecient than an impulse. i am currently getting more than a case of paint from one 20oz fill.
Ehem.
Originally posted by i like tictacs
I doubt any spyder is more effecient than an impulse. i am currently getting more than a case of paint from one 20oz fill.
Ehem.
ya, i get close to 800 shots from a 16 oz. maybe their just overfilling mine? anyways i thought u wouldnt post any more in threads i was in
i like tictacs
08-08-2002, 07:05 PM
why dont you read that post where i said that a little more closely.
Originally posted by i like tictacs
why dont you read that post where i said that a little more closely.
HA!! got ya! you said you wouldnt reply to me. but look what you just did! hell you didnt even last as long as when u said u wouldnt post in OT. at least then u lasted an hour.
tourny_wannabe
08-08-2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by halB
HA!! got ya! you said you wouldnt reply to me. but look what you just did! hell you didnt even last as long as when u said u wouldnt post in OT. at least then u lasted an hour.
how about you shut up and stop spamming this thread
Originally posted by tourny_wannabe
how about you shut up and stop spamming this thread
because i enjoy torturing tic tacs
Originally posted by tourny_wannabe
how about you shut up and stop spamming this thread
not possible
tourny_wannabe
08-08-2002, 07:52 PM
hahahhaha:laugh:
anyways comparing two guns is pointless cause all people have there opinion so in my opinion[see!] these threads are worthless, and this isnt against tic tacs cause i like him more than hal
Sudden Impact
08-08-2002, 07:54 PM
I have an electro spyder...I like it...Ive had impulses, I liked them (except for size)...they are both decent...enough said
because i enjoy torturing tic tacs
he didnt ask why you dont quit spamming...he told you to quit spamming...there is a difference...if you have nothing but words from your rear...dont reply...
Originally posted by tourny_wannabe
this isnt against tic tacs cause i like him more than hal
watch what u say halb has is own religion. he'll get his cult after u :eyes:
i like tictacs
08-08-2002, 08:02 PM
halb is a lowlife bottom-feeder. nuff said. he ruined this thread, and ruined pbreview. he is close minded and moronic, and hasnt seen an impulse in real life yet claims his spyder compact is three times better. the moderators have done nothing about him, he made a racist remark and just got unbanned when he should have stayed banned.
:laugh:
why dont you come over to my field, and when im done kicknig your sorry *** around ill shove my impulse along wth the 14" freak so hard up your rear it will come out your throat. watch it pal.
RynoRI
08-08-2002, 08:10 PM
IMO I would go for the Impulse.....I think the spyder has a lower potential than an imp..that is why you see a STOCK imp being compared to an upgraded spyder. There are only so many parts you could upgrade on a spyder(just about all), but would not compare to an imp with good upgrades
since when in the hell have i made a racist remark? i think you can remember my heroic crusade along with dynasty against dixie cocker, which led to his snapping and consequential banishment. i wish i could take credit for it though, but dynasty did most of the work.
also, i dont have a spyder compact, ive only stated once what gun ive had. although if you spend time perusing the kingmann forums you could probably piece it together. i never said it was 3 times better. i never claimed any marker was better than any marker. however for the price of an impy, i could upgrade a compact so it would perform just as well. would it be a sear tripper? yes. would the sear get rounded? well maybe only after 1000 cases. all parts wear out if theyre used enough. however tippmans are still being rented out year after year with perhaps that many cases through it, and they do not get rounded. would it have more kick? sure. would anyone who knows how to properly handle a gun feel it? not at all. how come im not banned? because i dont go around the forums insulting everyone and everything, and i have never seen you post anything positive at all, but merely attacks on other posters. do everyone a favor and extend your promise that was so readily broken about OT to the rest of the boards. i would be happy to play you anyday, and win or lose, at least i wont go home after pissing everyone off.
Wuzup101
08-08-2002, 08:23 PM
A high end gun is a status symbol. Think about it, have you felt a decent electro trigger for a spyder? They aren't half bad. They have some downsides though. First of all the resale value for stack tubed semi's pretty much sucks arse right now. You can easily part out the grip...but your not gonna get much for the rest of the gun. Second, a gun like the impulse, or bushmaster, or timmy, or whatever electro pneu you want to compare a spyder to is designed to be an electric gun. The design of the gun allows it to work a bit more reliabily with some added features. Personally If I were to advise a new player who was getting into the game now what gun to get (assuming he had the money) I would tell him to get an impulse (maybe used). For the fact that he can upgrade the **** out of it later. But doesn't have to touch it in the beginning and it will still be a great gun. And if he decides to sell it, there are actually people looking to buy impulses.
I have no doubt that an electro frame spyder can keep up with an imp speed wise. But you just have those little added features with an imp.
This being said, I am currently working on getting a gun for my little bro who just started pb. He really wanted a millenium...so I'm going to strip down my old spyder bottomline...buy a full size splashed millenium body, and buy a nice electro grip (maybe a used one)...and that is going to be his gun. This way he has a nice gun that will allow him to develop his skills, and I will have a reliable gun to use in the even my cocker breaks down...which pretty much doesn't happen. Now If I wouldn't already have a slue of spyder parts, barrels, etc....I would be looking for a used imp. But since I do, this is the best solution IMHO. I also believe a nice looking splashed milly body electro with nice parts will have a decent resale value when it comes time.
i like tictacs
08-08-2002, 08:27 PM
a very intelligent post, thumbs up to you. finally a smart man! woohoo! :) :) :)
hey i suggest a mako storm frame. all metal, adjustable trigger, and a crap load of features.
Originally posted by i like tictacs
a very intelligent post, thumbs up to you. finally a smart man! woohoo! :) :) :)
i was hoping that your reply would try to rebut that. however it appears you did not try to, and instead chose to gloss it over. id rather ahve you reply to it, point by point. i was also hoping you would abide by your promise made in the other forum.
Originally posted by i like tictacs
why dont you grow up, this is the last response i will make to any of your posts.
too bad you break promises just as often as you insult other users.
tourny_wannabe
08-08-2002, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by duda
watch what u say halb has is own religion. he'll get his cult after u :eyes:
and his internet hoodlums?:eyes:.........
hal you have stated that your spyder was better than cockers or even with it, and in a couple weeks would be better than it
Originally posted by tourny_wannabe
and his internet hoodlums?:eyes:.........
hal you have stated that your spyder was better than cockers or even with it, and in a couple weeks would be better than it
1) i wont be upgrading my marker much, considering i need to save up 900 for car insurance (OH GOD NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!) so i wouldnt have said it would be better in any given time.
2) umm sorry, ive just been making a lot of lists lately.
tourny_wannabe
08-08-2002, 08:57 PM
ok my bad, i thought you posted in the 300$ threead that you were gettin an E-LCD frame
my bad
car insurance is a ***** i get it in a year:paranoid:
oh ya, already got the elcd. :)
tourny_wannabe
08-08-2002, 09:09 PM
so youve got a shutter and elcd frame>
anything else(this would help in future spyader vs threads :))
dont have a shutter either. getting closer though. and if i told u everything i had then what fun would that be?? i gotta make it interesting for ya :)
tourny_wannabe
08-08-2002, 09:16 PM
oh piss offf cmon theres like 70 gabillion spyder markers, spyder tl? tl+?
this is gonna take a while*cracks knuckles gets cup of coffe*
lol, kingman- a new flavor every week
tourny_wannabe
08-08-2002, 09:32 PM
this weeks flavor-spyder victor next week spyder victor java edition, week after that spder victor special java edition
PaintballerX
08-09-2002, 05:48 AM
Wow, so this thread has been any of these things:
Spam
Immaturity contests (hal automatically wins)
Anything BUT the topic
Grow up people, 90% of the 37 (now 38) posts in this thread were off topic.
Everyone who did reply made very valid points, and I am standing by my opinion that Spyders can have everything an Impulse does performance-wise for the same amount of money...with a few small exceptions.
It's no doubt that the Impulse is a better marker in some ways. It's quieter, less kick, more consistent out of the box, etc., but the Spyder can hit all of that and more.
Anyways, I personally don't like Spyders anyways...shoulda used a Piranha for the comparison. Now THERE'S a nice marker.
I'm reviewing one of those sentinels for PBFreak.net in about a month when they said they could send me one, so I betcha that'll be even better. :)
Mike
oh sweet, u get to review stuff? you absolutely suck. my friends mom is a journalist and he got an xbox, GBA, nintendo gamecube, and games all free. i hate him to no end. grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr and u too. i want free stuff!!! gimme gimme gimme
PaintballerX
08-09-2002, 08:22 AM
The fact that I'm in the industry helped too. They won't give stuff to people your age, have to be over 18 I believe, and I'm well past that.
Beans, beans, the magical fruit, the more you eat the more you toot!
Eh?
Mike
Guillotine
08-09-2002, 08:58 AM
hmm, this thread has really intrigued me(especially with tic tacs calling himself smart, a little bit of arrogance I detect? yes! just playin with ya man)
anyways. I currently shoot a bruizer bandit(spyder clone for those who don't know, also same as a boss knight raider). and I drilled out the VA, put an Air America Vig reg on, sanded and polished the internals, and am running nitro, and have a 14" cp one piece. so, if I say, put in a white wolf delrin bolt, and a Kingman Sprint frame, my bruizer will be as good as a stock impulse?
also, if anyone can answer me this on a side note, I have been trying to lower my OP, haven't broken in my reg yet though. and I have a crappy guage, do I need to break in my reg, get a better guage, or my bruizer will just never get lower than 700psi OP without a turbo valve?
Dr. Isotope
08-09-2002, 09:54 AM
A little interesting reading for the spyder and clone carriers 'round here... http://home.hiwaay.net/~jmorris/
Spencer16896
08-09-2002, 12:54 PM
Why would anyone consider themselves Smart and expect people to agree with them?
There is no point in arguing about this stuff, it is like saying there are Snipers in paintball, no matter what you do, there will always be people there to say otherwise.
jpball103
08-09-2002, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by i like tictacs
and when im done kicknig your sorry *** around ill shove my impulse along wth the 14" freak so hard up your rear it will come out your throat. watch it pal.
do you enjoy sticking 14" objects in other guys butts?:laugh: :P
PaintballerX
08-09-2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by jpball103
do you enjoy sticking 14" objects in other guys butts?:laugh: :P
Grow up.
jpball103
08-09-2002, 01:46 PM
:eyes:
soon enough:P
tonysk83
08-09-2002, 01:55 PM
this is what i want to know, we are saying why impys are better then spyders, i want to no what spyders are better then impys
PaintballerX
08-09-2002, 02:11 PM
We...well...hm. You see...
Okay, I don't even get what you're asking. But, the point of this thread was to introduce to everyone who doesn't understand the fact that Spyders can be as good as Impulses...that fact.
Whew, I didn't understand that.
RynoRI
08-09-2002, 03:35 PM
I would agree with PaintballerX on this one. The fishy would have been a much better choice for comparison. While I do believe that the spyder would shoot just as well with the named differences between the two guns, my only qualm is with the fact that the Spyder takes metric parts which makes repair trouble some and also there is little to no warranty on a spyder. However, the simplicity of a Spyder is also bliss.
The impulse has a good warranty on it and a good company backing it. Although, sometimes there service can be troublesome. If you send the gun it will be fixed and sent back quickly
What it all rolls down to is they will both shoot the same and be great guns....but little side elements i.e. (warranty,maintenance,parts) would make me buy an imp
However, if there was a situation where someone asked me if I wanted to use either for a game I would not show bias in saying that they are both great markers
tonysk83
08-09-2002, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by PaintballerX
We...well...hm. You see...
Okay, I don't even get what you're asking. But, the point of this thread was to introduce to everyone who doesn't understand the fact that Spyders can be as good as Impulses...that fact.
Whew, I didn't understand that.
i get it, yes i do think a spdyer can be better then an impy
moabrider69
08-09-2002, 07:13 PM
yeah i was going to get a impulse from paintballgear.com but they were out of stock and i ordered a spyder xtra with mako trigger frame and 14" all american for the same price as an impulse and i am very happy with my choice. i think my gun right now (in sig) could perform just as good as a slightly upgraded impulse
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