Black dragon or piranha?

[team_ambush]

what gun is better?

Piranha eforce

Black dragon lcd

[Ryon]

black dragun

[weefek]

dragun fro sure

[Tommy_pball]

dragun

[Richy_C]

Wrong forum

[team hessians]

e-force=much better.

[ImpYa]

Wrong Forum?

It says black dragun below "Hybrid Blow Back Markers"

[matt197]

i'd buy the e-force PMI has been around long and knows what there doing and make quality markers

[AscreenNam3]

black dragun!!!!!!!!!:D

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by ImpYa
Wrong Forum?

It says black dragun below "Hybrid Blow Back Markers"

it used to b in the electro forum and now it was moved here Richy_c said wrong forum when it was still in the true electro forum

[team hessians]

how many of you guys have seen the new e-force? the thing has a much better trigger and has a nice feel to it.

[cocker kid 2k2]

Originally posted by team hessians
how many of you guys have seen the new e-force? the thing has a much better trigger and has a nice feel to it.

i have, ur right they are really nice

[JTramoDude]

piranha for a few reasons

pmi has amazing customer service.... if u dont believe me post something in the pmi forum... i guarentee NO one will say anything bad about them

pmi has a better rep

THE E-FORCE HAS A REGULATOR!!!!, a good one at that, i dont know if the dragon duz... but if it does it's one of those bad bottom line ones that are a real joke.

i find it funny how some people call piranha spyder clones.... a lil history lesson, pmi's been around a lllllllllllong time before kingman, and before most companies at that (well... piranha mitehave come out after spyder, but pmi's still older)

pmi's amazing field strip system... i donno if the dragon has one, but the pmi's is simply amazing.

pmi just makes aaammazing guns, i beet the living hel outa my piranha which i've had for about a year now... i have literally never ever had a problem with it, not even something like a fart during rapid fire, or a chop, or a leak, or any of that... ever.

give me some time to further research the dragun and i can prolly come up with atleast20 more reasons.

[Furious pb]

Originally posted by JTramoDude
piranha for a few reasons

pmi has amazing customer service.... if u dont believe me post something in the pmi forum... i guarentee NO one will say anything bad about them

pmi has a better rep

THE E-FORCE HAS A REGULATOR!!!!, a good one at that, i dont know if the dragon duz... but if it does it's one of those bad bottom line ones that are a real joke.

i find it funny how some people call piranha spyder clones.... a lil history lesson, pmi's been around a lllllllllllong time before kingman, and before most companies at that (well... piranha mitehave come out after spyder, but pmi's still older)

pmi's amazing field strip system... i donno if the dragon has one, but the pmi's is simply amazing.

pmi just makes aaammazing guns, i beet the living hel outa my piranha which i've had for about a year now... i have literally never ever had a problem with it, not even something like a fart during rapid fire, or a chop, or a leak, or any of that... ever.

give me some time to further research the dragun and i can prolly come up with atleast20 more reasons.

WoW! you should really know something about both markers before talking.
1. M3 has the best technical support ever, ask any dragun owner who has dealt with them
2. Dragun has a Reg too, but good call anyway.
3. Dragun is also field strippable:eyes:

You are really underinformed to be making those claims of yours.
Hmmmmmm, now which one has a better trigger pull, lets see?????? I just don't know:rolleyes:

[team hessians]

the draguns trigger is to soft, just hanging there no spring at all, e-force has the perfect springyness to it.

[JTramoDude]

WoW! you should really know something about both markers before talking.
1. M3 has the best technical support ever, ask any dragun owner who has dealt with them
2. Dragun has a Reg too, but good call anyway.
3. Dragun is also field strippable

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1. i didnt say black dragun's customer service is bad, i said pmi's is amazing, i haven't had any experience with black dragun's Customer service, so i dont wanna make any assumptinos

2. black dragun has one of the bottom line regs if im correct, (Like the ones on spyders)... from my experience with them they're really bad and make almost no diff. personally i dont consider them good regs (my friend has one on his shutter)

3. i didnt say the dragun wasnt field strippable, i said the pmi is amazingly easilly field strippable. to me i tihnk the pmi's field strip system is better, it does not have a 2-piece pin to hold in the stuff. oda then that they're petty much the same from what ive seen.

[Nugget]

i find it funny how some people call piranha spyder clones.... a lil history lesson, pmi's been around a lllllllllllong time before kingman, and before most companies at that (well... piranha mitehave come out after spyder, but pmi's still older)

Just a correction on the history, ACI came out with the first stacked tube blow back and PMI has made Piranhas longer than Kingmans Spyder, but that doesn't mean anything

[pbViper]

e-force

[JTramoDude]

to me it means they aint spyder clones.... but im gonna stop now we're gettin 2 far off the topic

[Furious pb]

I find that it is generally a good idea to have at least a slight familiarity with both items in a comparison. I actually took the effort to look up the other gun and Learn something about it. I know its a tough concept, but see if you can grasp it.;)

Hessians, as far as the trigger goes, if you get an aftermarket trigger from check-it products, the trigger is adjustable, so you have less play. and it isn't jsut hanging like the crappy stock trigger.

[team hessians]

i was wondering about those triggers...i just think they need to put some sort of spring system behind the trigger.

[scotty2naughty]

The Black Dragun LCD has the Vertical not the "crappy bottomline one" The Dragun also has a very nice trigger pull, it is a lot better than the Spyder ones. I did see the E-Force and I wasn't very impressed, for the same price with the Black Draguns you can get and LCD with all the modes if you want them, if you do not want the modes you can get the Basic for $125 which is $75 less than the E-Force. I don't think anything that the E-Force has is worth $75. I have heard great things about both of the customer support, if your M3 gun isn't working a lot of the time they will send you a brand new gun. I would say go with the Black Dragun over the E-Force.

[madgoat33]

I hate to break it to you ladies but the black dragun lcd doesn't have a bottom line reg its above the x-chamber. Also the M3 Patriot has a bottom line reg which works extremly well for me. As for trigger pull the M3's is a mouse click and i guarantee the E-force's is longer but i really don't mind a 2 mm pull instead of 1.5. In the end its your decesion but i would probably save some more money and get a Piranha Pro TS W/ Mako Storm Frame. They look sweet and perform great.

[team hessians]

man just go shoot an e-force, they shoot way awesome, you'll see what I'm talking about.

[MrSpoonJDM]

E-Force :D mai friend has a black dragun and he chops non-stop paint he once managed 2 chop like 3 balls in da bolt and got da shells stuck so he couldnt shot..... black dragun just chops 2 much paint and i personaly have an E-Force trigger is nice and tight no slop and is just like a mouse click.....da black draguns trig is is hella sloppy and and mushy....ma opinion hehe

[madgoat33]

I've put 3 cases through my M3 Patriot and never had a problem. Didn't break a single ball.....i pinched one when i tried to shoot 12 bps with a VL 200.

[old68]

i find it funny how some people call piranha spyder clones.... a lil history lesson, pmi's been around a lllllllllllong time before kingman, and before most companies at that (well... piranha mitehave come out after spyder, but pmi's still older)

In 1991 I had a PUMP action pmi piranha. looks like palmer with a pump, or a long pgp with sidefeed and asa on the rear. I still have (it), minus gripframe and a bunch of other parts missing. Phantom was and still is cooler, and my hairline is receding. It resembled in no way shape or form a spyder. Their semi auto at the time was called a PMI 3 (similar to spyder), and although the piranha was sold as a pmi im pretty sure it was made by sheridan.

[vailripper]

e force no question. Much better feel IMO. Try em both out and get the one you like. I got the eforce and love it.

[madgoat33]

How you think an e-force is better I have no idea.

[vailripper]

Originally posted by madgoat33
How you think an e-force is better I have no idea.

1. Tried both, I liked the Eforce feel much better (Personal preference)
2. Got advice from local shop
3. PMI has great tech service
4. There have been some reliability issues lately with the Draguns.

I say just get the one you like more, they are very evenly matched.

[madgoat33]

The only problem that you ever hear about with Draguns is the sear. This recently happened to me...it is not a big deal seeing as how they are mailing one as I speak. Also the proshop around me has been around for 8 years and they still thought m3 Patriot was a JT so that just tells you some people aren't well educated. The customer servie from M3 is as good as it gets.......the also have videos on how to take it apart and ect....