Why can't blowbacks cycle fast enough to go 13 bps?

[ssgohan]

i have a spyder and i was wondering why they can't cycle fast enough to shoot 13 bps. i don't actually know if it is true or not but i have heard things like that. how does the angel or shocker or twister cycle faster. what system do they use that allows them to do that?

[Brazen]

i dont know too much on the subject, but guns with no moving parts cycle faster. autocockers cycle 12-13 balls a second and automags cycle 20-21 bps. thats about all i can tell ya

[Counterfeit]

Angels and other electro guns can cycle that fast because they have an electro trigger. So a spyder can cycle that fast when you put a elcd trigger frame or other electro trigger kit on on it.

[Brazen]

true true

[ssgohan]

yeah, i have the electic trigger but people keep telling me that if i try to use it at 13 bps then i will chop tons of balls. i haven't been to the field lately so i haven't been able to try it.

[ptflyer]

the marker has no problem cycling that fast..can cycle more like 40 rps......but it is the feeder that can't load the paint that fast so ...you get chopped balls....it's not the marker clcle problem...it's a ball feed problem..

[july_favre]

HA!!! 40 balls a second.

[TLplus84]

July was exagerating....i think..hehe

[ptflyer]

did I say 40 balls per sec....NO!!!!!...I said the marker can cycle that fast...your "rate of fire" is limited to how fast the paint can feed....and how fast you or the computer chip can release the sear from the striker....a cycle of the marker however is how fast the bolt closes......the gas is discharged....and then recock's...which can be as fast as 40 cycles per sec...(Kinda like when your markers sputter)..

they are two seperate things

[elTwitcho]

No, not 40 bps, no way no how, even without the sear you're looking at maybe 30 max. The problem is, that a spyder at those super fast speeds (13 bps) is incosistent, and because it relies on blowback, and not pnuematic recocking, it isnt as reliable as it should be, and you get alot of "burping".

[ptflyer]

again..we are not talking about why the paintballs get chopped here...we are talking about cycle rates of blow backs......well we are now anyway.....

and in theroy....the marker can cycle that fast....that is all I am saying..I didn't say it can cycle that fast and not chop paint....or be consistant..

[july_favre]

HA!! 40 balls a second

[elTwitcho]

And I said maybe 30 max in theory. I dont think that the bolt moves forward, opens the valve and goes all the way back to a cocked position at 1/40 of a second. And no valve could recharge that fast so after 3 shots it wouldnt recock

[Nemessis]

Its just the p.o.s elves that wont let it do that fast i tell you!!

[Brazen]

man it seems electrics are the way to go. i almost got an impulse.......

[Predator2]

I personally like non-electros...I like to have a challenge against others; of course i only play rec ball

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by elTwitcho
And I said maybe 30 max in theory. I dont think that the bolt moves forward, opens the valve and goes all the way back to a cocked position at 1/40 of a second. And no valve could recharge that fast so after 3 shots it wouldnt recock

The fastest cycling gun there is is the Automag RT. it CAN cycle 25 times in a second. Not even any electros can do that. So no gun that is currently in existance can cycle 40 or even 30 times in a second.

[TLplus84]

wow....25 bps...i thought 20 was max..tah'ts still insanely fast..but still....wow...i'm actually considering the RT Pro with the Max Flo system.

[Counterfeit]

Originally posted by TLplus84
wow....25 bps...i thought 20 was max..tah'ts still insanely fast..but still....wow...i'm actually considering the RT Pro with the Max Flo system.

Thats just how fast it can cycle though. Not how fast it can shoot.

[elTwitcho]

If you take a sear out of a spyder, it may fly around for a few seconds at close to 30, but I realise the RT has the fastest cycle. Love that retro valve

[TLplus84]

true true.....still..just the fact taht it has that kind of potential is amazing..hehe

[ptflyer]

OK..OK...I may have over stated that fact(40 cycles per sec)...I will stand corrected...but the fact still remains....that a blowback CAN cycle over 13 times per sec.....just can't feed that fast...and the fact that there will be...or might be..(let me not over state it)..or might not be drop off...is another piont in and of itself....

[elTwitcho]

Sure it can physically CYCLE at 13 bps. No problem. Piece of cake etc. But It cant FIRE at 13 bps. Chop or no chopping, your velocity would go to hell, and the gun probably wouldnt recock properly after a few shots.

[Crisis]

I successfully got my spyder 2k with lcd and 12 revvy to hit 12 once tonight...

i just couldn't keep it goin... lol it was crazy tonight.. i ran out of paint too many times.. lol