help choosin barrel

[Saiyan_warrior]

I need help on Choosing a barrel..I was think of a 14" Dye boomstick or a 11.5" Lapco Bigshot SS or a 16" 32 Degrees Sniper Barrel.

[Saiyan_warrior]

I found the Boomstick at Paintballgeeks.com for 104.95!!! :eek:

[BOBO2]

:D:D:D:D Get the boomer

[Flankster]

Don't get the boomer, its not worth the money, you can get a cheaper barrel with the same results...

[Saiyan_warrior]

Damn brett i posted this thread like 2 months ago..Im not gettin the boomstick because its not the worth the money..I need to find a place with Lapco bigshots in stock because there all backordered.

[AllOleander]

Are you interested in my 16" 32 Degrees Terminator barrel? It is black, brand new, never used, and i have heard it is very quiet, accurrate, and makesa good sniper barrel.

but i have not used it, taht is what i have heard.

Interested? PM me

I also have a brand new never used CMI TruFlight 16" for sale, never used, brand new. My frined has one and he loves it, says its very quiet and has lots of accuracy/range.

Anyone interested? i shoudl put that in my sig acutally...

[Saiyan_warrior]

Flankster might be interested in the terminator, but imo 16" way to long.

[AllOleander]

nah, it is a sniper barrel..well thats what it says on the box .. my friend has a 16" and he says its great for the woods and anythign else thats not speedball

the design looks really unique too

PM me if you are interested

[ToXiC pAiNt]

wait and get a bigshot, and DON'T get a cmi tru flight!

[ComplicationJak]

if you spit small bore get a lapco autospirit...medium bore = lapco bigshot

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by ToXiC pAiNt
wait and get a bigshot, and DON'T get a cmi tru flight!

uh..why not

they are awesome barrels! and are much more quieter than the bigshot!! just as accuarte too

[ComplicationJak]

...16 is pretty long, hard to tuck... acctually lapco barrels are not as loud as most people make them out to be. It is a huge improvement over the noise of the stock, but there is more advantage to little porting...Much better efficiency! you are going to use less gas to get up to the fps your looking for...also much easier to clean then a ported barrel. Once you clean the barrel it's clean, with a big ported barrels, the paint that is in the ports will slowly re-enter the barrel. Then your back to the point where you started...balls curving all over(balls don't break in lapcos anyway)

[Edited by ComplicationJak on 07-17-2001 at 10:22 AM]

[AllOleander]

With a 16", you would play back in the woods, and not need to tuck very much.

[BOBO2]

If you play woods your not going to be playing back to much you don't want any thing bigger than 14.

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by BOBO2
If you play woods your not going to be playing back to much you don't want any thing bigger than 14.

Why?

You can play back in woods. Its to have a backplayer on woods.

[BOBO2]

Any thing over 14 starts to hurt your accuracy and is pointless. You can back but then people like me take all the kills while the back players do nothing.

[AllOleander]

uh..back players are very imporant in any game

if you have 2 backplayers laying down paint, it could make the enemy retreat or take cover, which means you can get a beter postion.

[BOBO2]

Why would you want the enemy to retreat and regroup with more players? Good point about cover fire though, we usualy more in waves so no need for back, it's easyer for us.

[Flankster]

14" barrels or bigger pointless everyone says..?
Why do you see PROs in mags,internet,tv..etc..using them.
Kinda weird huh..
I don't think they would just make those longer barrels for nothing..Think about it for awhile...morons..

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by BOBO2
Why would you want the enemy to retreat and regroup with more players? Good point about cover fire though, we usualy more in waves so no need for back, it's easyer for us.

Retreat is very imporant in some games. If you play CTF but have the flag in the middle of the field..then having the enemy retreat would be a good idea.

IMHO, backplayers are the reasons why front players rock :)


Originally posted by Flankster
14" barrels or bigger pointless everyone says..?
Why do you see PROs in mags,internet,tv..etc..using them.
Kinda weird huh..
I don't think they would just make those longer barrels for nothing..Think about it for awhile...morons..


Hah good point. I agree.

[spyderstomper]

Originally posted by Flankster
14" barrels or bigger pointless everyone says..?
Why do you see PROs in mags,internet,tv..etc..using them.
Kinda weird huh..
I don't think they would just make those longer barrels for nothing..Think about it for awhile...morons..


They make longer barrels...because they no theres stupid people out there thinkin its actually gonna give more range....

[AllOleander]

Originally posted by spyderstomper
Originally posted by Flankster
14" barrels or bigger pointless everyone says..?
Why do you see PROs in mags,internet,tv..etc..using them.
Kinda weird huh..
I don't think they would just make those longer barrels for nothing..Think about it for awhile...morons..


They make longer barrels...because they no theres stupid people out there thinkin its actually gonna give more range....

Thats such bullsh|t ... Don't talk.

They would not invest all that time and money just cause they THINK that stupid people would buy it.

[ToXiC pAiNt]

Quit trying to sell your crap here, and put it up on ebay.

[spyderstomper]

Originally posted by AllOleander
Originally posted by spyderstomper
Originally posted by Flankster
14" barrels or bigger pointless everyone says..?
Why do you see PROs in mags,internet,tv..etc..using them.
Kinda weird huh..
I don't think they would just make those longer barrels for nothing..Think about it for awhile...morons..


They make longer barrels...because they no theres stupid people out there thinkin its actually gonna give more range....

Thats such bullsh|t ... Don't talk.

They would not invest all that time and money just cause they THINK that stupid people would buy it.

a 16" barrel will do the EXACT same thing as a 12 inch barrel with the exact same paint used in both barrels..THUS makin a longer barrel useless...

[ToXiC pAiNt]

tru flight as accurate as a bigshot? HA HA HA HA,thats funny
barrel over 14 inches? HA HA HA thats funny

[spyderstomper]

Originally posted by ToXiC pAiNt
tru flight as accurate as a bigshot? HA HA HA HA,thats funny
barrel over 14 inches? HA HA HA thats funny

Actually any aftermarket barrel with the right paint match will perform just as good as any other barrel..IMO i think bigshots are better for low pressure setups because theres hardly any porting..

[BOBO2]

The tru flights are tnot even close to the big shot even with a good pait match, there just not bored well and have poor quality polishing inside.

[BOBO2]

Posted by Flankster- "14" barrels or bigger pointless everyone says..?
Why do you see PROs in mags,internet,tv..etc..using them.
Kinda weird huh..
I don't think they would just make those longer barrels for nothing..Think about it for awhile...morons.. "


What the hell are you taking about? what "pros" use 16+ inch barrels. And morons you dont know **** if you think a 18 inch barrel is even worth trying to lugg around. Your one of the people who think a 20 inch barrel is intimidating aren't you. Not olny is a 18 the same in accuracy and range but it is less gas efficent. The olny use a long barrel has is it can be stuck through brush it's easyer to point with.

[Flankster]

Dude, I've seen many pros use 16"18" barrels..Why the f u c k would they make those longer barrels then. Even the smarts freak barrel comes in 16" sizes. Tell the Smartparts manufactures that they're ****in up making longer barrels for nothing Big Boy. You are one Dumb Mother F u ck er. Don't reply if ya don't know what your talking about, your just wasting other peoples replies..You f uck in q ueer.!

[BOBO2]

Your a jack *** all you do cause trouble, all I'm trying to say is that it's been proven that any thing over 12 starts to create drag.WHy do they make 16+ barrels? I don't know they have know practical use, if you can tell me that they do somthing special then I'll drop this whole thing and appoligize but untill then SHUT THE F U C K UP. I'v never seen pros using 16+ barrels so I don't know what the hell your talking about. I know more about Paintball then you ever will you F U C U K I N G DUMB SON OF A B I T C H.

[Saiyan_warrior]

Most PROS in speedball use Short barrels, but im not sure about woods...IMO anything beyond 12 inches does not do anything..

[Flankster]

well, Look at some of the magazines, you'll see some of the pro using 16" barrels. Oh, and are you related to PirahnaPro, cuz, yall both think yall know EVERYTHING about the sport of paintball.. D umb As ses!!

[Flankster]

NO ****, Pros don't use it in speedball..!
Woods, they use em

[Saiyan_warrior]

Originally posted by Flankster
well, Look at some of the magazines, you'll see some of the pro using 16" barrels. Oh, and are you related to PirahnaPro, cuz, yall both think yall know EVERYTHING about the sport of paintball.. D umb As ses!!



I dont think so...:)

You SEE them using it but how do you know what legnth is it..

[Flankster]

Who would use long *** barrels in speedball..Speedball is fast and intense, you don't need a huge a s s barrel gettin your way..

Think about it for a while.. you dumb Slut..

[BOBO2]

I looked and I saw one so far thats it. And no I'm not related to him but we bouth know alot about the sport and choose to share our info with others, and then people like you piss me off. And if you don't want a huge barrel in speed ball why would you want one in woods?

[Edited by BOBO2 on 07-18-2001 at 05:26 PM]

[Saiyan_warrior]

Longer Barrels must be better right?

By Allen Turner w/quotes from APG March 2000
Ever since I created this barrel site I have been getting questions about barrel length so I thought I would address it here for all to read. I suspect the questions I get about paintball barrel length are due to the common assumptions that paintball guns behave generally like "real" guns, and that assumption is understandable, but inaccurate. A paintball does not behave like a lead bullet and CO2 does not behave like gunpowder.

When CO2 or HPA gas is released into the chamber of a paintball gun it accelerates the ball for 6-8" down the barrel. The rest of the length of any barrel only serves to guide the ball and reduce the "pop" noise when the gas hits the end of the barrel. Adequate length stabilizes the ball but excess length causes unnecessary friction which reduces both accuracy and speed, and it can cause the ball to spin.

This friction after the initial acceleration is why I created the paint & barrel guide, a good fit should help improve accuracy while a poor fit will guarantee problems, balls flying left, right, up and down, cats and dogs sleeping together real wrath of god stuff.

Allow me to get to the point. Longer barrels do NOT = better accuracy. A good quality, well machined barrel will generally improve accuracy no matter the length. Matching the proper barrel bore to your "paint of the day" is MORE important than the length of your barrel. That's why serious players carry different size barrels. "The Best" barrel bore and length depend on a combination of factors ( paint, gun, weather, style of game). Brand XYZ barrel is not the "Holy Grail" of accuracy for all conditions.

APG had the following comments on barrel length in a rescent barrel article: "For maximum range you must match the barrel length to the gun you use...the barrel should not be so long that the ball begins slowing down before it leaves the barrel....After a paintball exits the bore the propulsion effect of the CO2 ceases, the ball stops accelerating. There is nothing you can do to make the ball in flight go faster. What is controllable though, and therefore critical, is the acceleration of the ball while it is still inside the bore. If the ball is still accelerating as it leaves the barrel you get slightly more range. If the ball is slowing BEFORE it leaves the barrel you get slightly less range." -Russel Maynard,"Y2K Barrel theory", APG, March 2000 pg 153

Let me simplify this for the newbies or youg'ins among us. A 16" barrel will not get you to Sniper heaven, an 18" barrel is just plain asinine and a 22" barrel would need a bi-pod for stabilizing but why bother since the paint balls wont make it out the barrel anyway, but hey it would look cool, right? ;-)

In fact many expereinced members of the paintball comunity reccomend no longer than 12" barrels, including Colin from Lapco and the infamous Glenn Palmer of Palmers Pursuit Shop. In my personal experience I feel that barrels of 12" to 14" are great for most guns. I do not reccomed barrels over 14" for guns that have a high spike pressure such as Spyders, Tippmanns, F4's, Thundercats, etc. The 16" or longer barrels are also awkward on the field and reduce your ability to move quickly though the cover and hence your effectiveness on the field.


One last note about bore size and length. Low pressure guns (I do mean "TRUE" low pressure guns as in Cockers, Angels, Bushmasters) seem to tolerate tighter bore barrels (I think they are softer on paint) while Blowforwards such as Automags, Desert Fox's seem to prefer a slightly oversize bore to minimize paint breakage. Evidence of this is that Stock Automag barrels are very large.


In the case of paintball barrels longer is definitly not better......

Enjoy :)

[Saiyan_warrior]

Originally posted by BOBO2
I looked and I saw one so far thats it. And no I'm not related to him but we bouth know alot about the sport and choose to share our info with others, and then people like you piss me off.

hes talkin to me...

[BOBO2]

Originally posted by Saiyan_warrior
Originally posted by BOBO2
I looked and I saw one so far thats it. And no I'm not related to him but we bouth know alot about the sport and choose to share our info with others, and then people like you piss me off.

hes talkin to me...

What???

[PiranhaPro]

Originally posted by Flankster
well, Look at some of the magazines, you'll see some of the pro using 16" barrels. Oh, and are you related to PirahnaPro, cuz, yall both think yall know EVERYTHING about the sport of paintball.. D umb As ses!!



Ya know, its really cool to talk behind my back...asz

Where do i say i know everything about paintball? Quit making sh*t up.

Its a proven fact that one piece, consistant barrels that are less than 16 inches long are the best "overall" barrel.

anything over 14 inches is a waste of gas and space. it does nothing to inporve accuracy or distance. The ball only needs 9 inches to accelerate to its optimum speed, which is why i believe barrels that are 10-12 inches are the best barrels available.

next time your gonna say something about me at least be a man and let me know about it. backstaber

[Saiyan_warrior]

nevermind..

[paintballer56]

if you are playing a woodland game scenario type thing, get a sniper 32 degrees, but speedball boomy or bigshot

[Saiyan_warrior]

Here we go again...

Boomstick isnt worth the money, in my opinion..

[BOBO2]

:DThey arn't worth the money but I still want one:D

[ToXiC pAiNt]

piranhapro knows more and is twice as helpful as you Flankster. Whats the matter with you? (I think it's PMS)

[BOBO2]

Go Toxic!!!!

[Flankster]

Ok, PirahnaPro, BOBO2, Toxic paint, I appolgize for everything that I said..I didn't realize that I was talking to the Paintball God(PirahnaPro)..my bad..It won't happen again..

[spyderstomper]

You better apologize b i t c h. Maybe you finally learned somethin..

[FallenAngel1237]

the ball stops accelarating in the barrel after it travels 8-12 inches, anything longer that just slows down the ball. a few things that determines the accuracy and range of the paintball are:-the length of the barrel
-the paint the bareel match
-velocity
-dirt and anything in the barrel or on the paint
-size of the paintball

-heres a great web page explaining the "best barrel" debate: http://www.paintcheck.com/articles/protips/range.html

[Saiyan_warrior]

Velocity?? You need a regulator for that problem which will fix velocity spikes..

[Edited by Saiyan_warrior on 07-20-2001 at 06:44 PM]

[BOBO2]

I think he means that to high of velocity can mess up accuracy.

[FallenAngel1237]

the higher the velocity the farther the ball will go

[BOBO2]

But it also makes your ball curve.