I dont know what it does

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

I've been shopping around, and i have come across a few things that i dont know anything about. I hear my freinds talking about them and I feel lost. I would like some expert knowledge about what an expansion chamber, regulator, and slide check on a remote do.

[MikedaPber]

Regulator: It regulates incoming air before entering the gun. It helps keep your shot to shot velocity consistant, therefor making your shot grouping tighter. Some examples of regulators are the palmers stabilizer, and the mac dev gladiator. Most regualtors attatch vertically, they seem as if they are a foregrip.
Expansion chamber: primarily used with co2, it helps keep liquid co2 out of the gun. It does not regulate, the liquid/air just goes through stages in the expansion chamber to help minimize the liquid.

My post: Not very technical

[bobalis]

Mike is right but i'll try to expand on what he said. Mike pretty much said everything there is to know about reg. When compressed air, or nitrogen enters the reg., the reg makes the pressure consistent so it makes your gun more efficient and won't hurt the gun as much (i.e. some 0-rings in the gun)
The expansion chamber is primally used for C02. When c02 enters through expansion chamber the liquid C02 expands, turning into gas. That makes the gun fire more consistenly and it won't hurt some of the 0-rings inside of the gun as well. Liquid C02 is really bad for any gun. It will freeze up your gun, making it not function. That's why ppl use expansion chambers with C02.

[Ebonclaw]

The age of the expansion chamber is over BTW, invest in a good reg instead. The stock cocker regs are excellent on Co2. Palmer regs widely known to be the top Co2 reg availible. An anti-siphon can also be purchased and installed in the Co2 tank if you really feel the need.

[Paint Bulley]

Originally posted by LAMANTEthePBguy
I've been shopping around, and i have come across a few things that i dont know anything about. I hear my freinds talking about them and I feel lost. I would like some expert knowledge about what an expansion chamber, regulator, and slide check on a remote do.







expansion chamber - it is a thing that helps/makes the Co2 before entering your gun, I forget at what temperature Co2 is liquid at, but I think it is below 100 kelvin (could be way off, cant remember everything from chemistry) so it needs time out in warmer area to get to a gas...

Regulator - it regulates the flow, the pressure of the GAS (hopefully) coming into your marker.. if you run Co2 get a Palmer Stab. if you run Nitro, Stab or sidewinder.

A slide check. it's a little thing that slides to let you disconnect quickly.


---- I agree with ebon..... dont go expansion chamber, what will that run you ? $30 - $40? that is a bunch of money, that is like 2-3 anti-syphons which work better than x-chambers...

Go with an anti-syphon

[Doomsday]

I agree, ive got an anti siphon and on/off installed for about 30+5 for labor , then filled so it was about 40, and i got the cocker reg for 44 bucks on ebay, its a great littlie reg for the money to

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Right now i dont have a regulator or expansion chamber. Does it really matter that i dont have one, or is my gun eating itself up. What would you reccomend buying that will do the job well, but not to pricey.


"He who lives by the sword are shot by those who don't"

[Paint Bulley]

it would help if we knew which paintbal marker you are using.

[BourneKiller]

Originally posted by Paint Bulley

A slide check. it's a little thing that slides to let you disconnect quickly.

close... :D A quick-disconnect is a little thing that allows you to slide a piece back and pull the joint in the hose apart, so you don't have to hunt up a wrench and unscrew it.

a slide-check is like a little valve-type-thing, it's very clever, actually.

Most remotes have them right next to the quick-disconnect.

Imagine now w/ me.....

You turn off your air source, then undo that little quick-disconnect. *PSHHFFFTTTT*

Congrats, you just lost ALL the air in your gun, and in the ENTIRE remote line (do that enough times and you'll be losing some serious air!)

Now imagine this...

YOu turn off your air source and "slide" the slide-check. Immediately, you hear *pshhfffttt* as your GUN vents the air. not the line, just the gun.
Then you undo the quick-disconnect and go about your business.... as the remote line is still pressurized, the end being closed off by the slide-check.

then, when you come back, you connect your gun (w/ the quick-disconnect), slide the slide-check (and your the pressure that was just in your hose gets evenly distributed between your gun and hose) then you turn on your air source... and go shoot somebody!

long post for a little thing :D

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

I am using a Pirahnah STS G3 VF with all everything stock exept the barrel. I use CO2. I was also wondering what an anti siphon does, and where does it go on your gun. I was also wondering what a Low Pressure Ram Air Chamber does.

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

Anti siphons are cheep. If i buy an anti siphon will i still need a regulator

[BourneKiller]

An anti-siphon tube goes into your CO2 and it eliminates liquid co2 from exiting your tank, which is VERY good for your internals. The RAM air chamber is a gimmick, it supposedely is spring loaded to force air from the chamber quick, but all it does it take up extra space where there could be compressed air. The air leaves that chamber far faster than a spring could hope to push it. If someone proves me wrong (or tries to), they have to go through Ebonclaw also, cause he gave me my opinion.

[Paint Bulley]

explain the ram air chamber thing a little more could you?

I havnt heard about it..... i gotta start checking out the blowback forums more often

see the dark blue line.... they put in a tube like that that sticks up at the top of your tank (from when it is screwed in)

so it only sucks in Gases... and not the liquid down below..

[Paint Bulley]

sorry forgot pic

[MikedaPber]

Originally posted by LAMANTEthePBguy
Anti siphons are cheep. If i buy an anti siphon will i still need a regulator

Well, all the anti-siphon does is keep liquid out of the gun. It does not regulate. It may keep shots more consistant, because of no liquid, but not as noticable as a regulator would. So, you wont NEED one, but it would certainly help.

PS- remotes also claim to keep liquid out of the gun, and of course anti-siphon taks do too. So an anti siphon on a remote must rock right? WRONG. if you put a anti siphon tank on your gun or remote vertically, it now becomes a SIPHON tank. Just to warn you in cas you have a remote, or dont have a bottom line or something

[Jaster]

Damn nice drawing there Bulley.:D
I would personally go for the Palmer stabilizer as a reg. Good thing about this is that if switch to HPA you can still use that reg. Or if you ever get a different marker down the line you could put that reg on the new marker. The stabilizer is very consistent and reliable. A good choice for upgrades.

[Paint Bulley]

Originally posted by Jaster
Damn nice drawing there Bulley.:D



Better:pissed:

:laugh:

[Paint Bulley]

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[BourneKiller]

How'd you draw that one? or... where'd you get it?

[LAMANTEthePBguy]

i just wanna say that everyone has just made my life easier. I was wonderin if anyone know how much it would cost to have an anti siphon installed.

[BourneKiller]

Ive heard like $30... you may just wanna sell your tank and buy a Smart Parts (or equivalent) 20oz tank w/ anti-siphon and on/off for about $40.

[Paint Bulley]

i think G3pb.com will do it for $15 (labor) but then you pay for shipping and everything...


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I drew that (me) in Rhino

http://www.rhino3d.com/

that pic of the car you see when you click on the link is completely done through that program... not a picture.