Mag or Impulse

[angelkiller13]

Should I get an Impulse or Mag????

[midknight]

Shoot both and decide for yourself. Or ask Electro or Semi.

[thebluenu]

i just wrote this in the "impulse vs mag" thread in AGD forumns

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Originally posted by Halliday
If you like maintenence (cleaning Max-Flo...) = Impulse
If you like playing paintball = Automag

It all depends on you.
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thats harsh :nod:

lets point out the obvious.....

mag
- NOT electro, unless emag
- doesnt have lvl 10 stock , will not chop with it when you do get it
- tiny, small, blah blah, really really small (in this case small is good )
- durable, cept for the emag extreme they come with a SS body right? (correct me if im wrong)
- co2 issues, rt valve CANNOT use it...
- cheap, especially used mags
-not many upgrades, should only use agd upgrades, this is a good thing
- its a mag, some ppl completely detest them, some ppl swear by them
-doesn't have cocker gnomes

impulse
- electro, @#$%y stock trigger
- little big and tall
- pretty durable, but its still aluminum
- little more maintenance, not as much as Halliday put it though
- can run on co2 or nitro has max flow, so consistency will be very good
- ton of upgrades, it kinda reminds me of a cocker as to upgrades.... this is a good thing if you have cash.... and you can get a "ace"
- its a impulse, some ppl completely detest them, some ppl swear by them
-doesn't have cocker gnomes

[PhishPhactor]

for one, Mags are cool. No one can talk sh*t about the impulse, well unless they are ignorant. Most guns are aluminum. The New Extreme Emag is a Aluminum body aswell, not stainless steel. it would be 5 times the weight if it was SS. The impulse will out shoot any mag unless it has Intellifeed, and/ or Emag. With the Vision board and the Halo B it is Superb. Mags are nice guns, yes they are small, and light and so on. Try them both and make a choice.

[Awhislyle]

well with the new tachnology the techs at e-paintballoutlet can get you cocker gnomes on your imp

[PhishPhactor]

Cocker gnomes, eww we need to get some Impulse Ogers to kill them good. Reall Good. lol

[thebluenu]

yah but cocker gnomes can respawn, and ogers dont know how to camp the spawn and spawn camp :eyes: so the gnomes always able to do there work

[PhishPhactor]

Gnomes, Hah, They are just telling you that gnomes are real. The only reason why they are being reproduced is because theyre lil Bill Clintions running around inside of cockers. That why the break down all the time and Spit baby food out the barrel.

Now in Impulse's and other good electro they're lil Ogers, which are fully capable of reproducing and making the gun even better. Plus the have Magical Clubs that hit the Cocker gnomes when the meet in Dark Alleys. The Clubs also make good tools for inside the gun.

[Awhislyle]

I want elves or trolls over ogres

[poolshark5226]

trolls? why6 would you want TROLLS? EEEEEEEEEEWW! The stock Tippy 98's have trolls. The real reson that TPI made the 98c was that, even though trolls are in the gun, they're easier to get out. You see, the LP kit lowers the pressure, and the trolls get the bends, and die.
But anyway, it really depends on what you like. Actually, it doesnt. Git the imp. It may cost more, but its more accurate, consistant, and has a higher ROF.

[PhishPhactor]

Originally posted by Awhislyle
I want elves or trolls over ogres

yea ok, and the next thing you will want is a Cake on your Birthday, you know what, give it up! it ain't gunna happen ChaChi!

[Awhislyle]

a lil O.T. but my birthday is pretty close


and just to let you know I have a big cookie for my B-day not cake

[poolshark5226]

big cookies=YUMMY

[Awhislyle]

Sigged


anyway Ive shooten mags and I think they are ok but some people hate them others wouldnt use anything else, just try em both out

[NCProckett]

What kind of mag are you talking about? And I'm assuming your talking about a stock impulse also

[PolicarStudios]

No impulse has cocker gnomes, sorry.

Tough call....the impulse is higher performance than a stock mag, but bigger, more awkward, and has lots more issues (fsdo, chops more, max flo gets randomly inconsistant, stuff like that). I'd take the impulse, but mags are pretty sweet too though they need nitro and a new trigger frame.

[NCProckett]

well its like

Automag RT > stock Impulse
Upgraded Impulse > Automag RT
E-mag > Upgraded Impulse
AI impulse > E-mag

Well.. I don't know, maybe

[poolshark5226]

woah, I've been sigged! I feel all weird inside, It's like eating a really big cookie:crazy: . Anyway, you really should try both. Well, as I see it, here are the pros and cons of both guns:

Impulse:
Pros:
-Accurate
-High ROF
-Good for snapshooting
-Relatively cheap, for the performance that you get
-Upgradable
-AWESOME right out of the box
-Loves Co2. When you screw in a Co2 tank its all like "Mmmmmmm Co2"
-Comes with one of the best regulators on the market stock
-You get a fair amount of respect just for having the gun
-Upgrades are pretty cheap
-Good customer service...If you ever need it
-Low operating pressure, so it doesnt chop like Policar said... in fact, I've never seen an imp chop, when it was the guns fault

Cons:
-Plain looking
-Some maintanace required, but not much


Mag:
Pros:
-Semi-accurate
-Small
-Low maintenance
-Easy to field strip
-Few moving parts
-You can get a used upgraded one for VERY cheap

Cons:
-Won't get much respect
-Pretty Ugly
-Needs many upgrades to be really good
- Chops without level 10
-Heavy pulll without Intelliframe
-Despise Co2

[Reklats]

I think the level of seriousness this forum paid to this thread is answer enough. Impulse owneres don't consider mags a threat.

[Awhislyle]

LOL yeah, im not to worried about mags, we can handle em

[midknight]

Bring all those mags on, even those lvl Xs. So they won't chop, we can still outshoot their ***!

[Dravion]

Originally posted by poolshark5226
Mag:
Pros:
-Semi-accurate
-Small
-Low maintenance
-Easy to field strip
-Few moving parts
-You can get a used upgraded one for VERY cheap

Cons:
-Won't get much respect
-Pretty Ugly
-Needs many upgrades to be really good
- Chops without level 10
-Heavy pulll without Intelliframe
-Despise Co2

I just got some things to say about the Mag cons here. There are practically no upgrades for a mag so you can't put upgrades in it which means you don't need upgrades to make it really good. All if not all upgrades to a Mag, aside from upgrading the valve to a Lvl X, are 90% cosmetic. And the Mag chops just as a cocker chops, shortstroking... and the level 10 won't solve all chops.

And an imp loves CO2 b/c the maxflow has a filter in it, it's at a low pressure , and you use an anti-siphon tank. Mag's are fine with co2 with anti-siphon and a x-chamber... which is more or less a imp with the Max-Flow. I'm sure if you put a high-pressure max-flow on a Mag it would act just the same *shrugs*.

Just to clear up some stuff. I love mags, and would buy one if the e-mag wasn't a grand. I just perfer the electronic trigger over the mechanical trigger. And I've shot an impulse before and I know I like the trigger.

[poolshark5226]

Originally posted by Dravion
All if not all upgrades to a Mag, aside from upgrading the valve to a Lvl X, are 90% cosmetic.


WOW lol :laugh: :eek: :eyes: All if not all? All are 90%? WOW! And dont forget intelliframe. LvL10 and IFrame are the two things needed to make a mag good. Oh yeah, and an antisyphon and X-Chamber, and to mount one you need a vert. adapter. And of course a barrel.
LVL10=$85
IFrame=$105
Vert. Adapter=$15
X-Chamber=$40
Antisyphon Tank=$35
Barrel=$60
PF Mag=$240

Total=about $575, Im too lazy to do the math right now.

With that $, you could buy a more accurate, more efficient, faster firing, more upgradeable, Imp with a Vert. Maxflo and a 20oz antisyphon tank, and a nice hopper.

[Awhislyle]

580, good guess

[Dravion]

Originally posted by poolshark5226

LVL10=$85
IFrame=$105
Vert. Adapter=$15
X-Chamber=$40
Antisyphon Tank=$35
Barrel=$60
PF Mag=$240

Total=about $575, Im too lazy to do the math right now.


Ok, now we'll compair a Impulse...

stock 'pulse, 400
vertical reg, 50
antisiphon tank, 35
vision system, 150

We'll just assume that the stock trigger setup is perfect and works like a mags IFrame. that's 635...

And if you wanted to go for a cheaper alternative to a mag, you could go for a TKO package from PBGear.com. They are 280, come stock with a PF classic mag, barrel, vert. adaptor, gas thru, and bottom line with macroline kit. A very nice starter package for a Mag if you ask me.

now goto EPBO and look at the college packages, 450, horizontal maxflow impulse with a blade trigger and LPR. 485 for a vert. reg impulse with the same setup. That's all the perfomance upgrades you need to see a 90% increase in your impulse's performance.

Now, before you try and compair prices again, get both sides of the story.

Now, back to the question at hand, which marker to buy. Cost shouldn't be a factor at all. I think I proved that already as both Markers can be cheap, or expensive, just depends on what you think you need for the marker. What really needs to be done here is some borrowing. Borrow an impulse, borrow a mag, shoot them both, it's all comfort and what works well with you, your hands, and your needs. Thank you all, I'm done with this thread unless there are anymore intelligent questions.

[Dr J]

Dude,

My Rat has Cocker gnomes, they hang out in my Freak barrel.

I also have Angel farries, they live in my Iso-mod.

[mipaint]

There is a very important thing to consider -- Which Mag?

You MUST get an RT mag to be remotly simular in preformance. The "normal" mags (like the classics) will have shoot down from hell IF you ever are able to shoot them fast enought to make a difference. The Trigger on a mag is poor even by manuel gun standards and PLEASE NEVER have someone "do a trigger job" on a mag-- it is a sure fire way to trash the gun!

Sooo- We now have a mag with RT valve (and that restricks you to using N2-no CO2) But you still have a terrible trigger. And unless you go for a Micro mag (which uses screw in cocker barrels) you will NEVER get the accuracy from a mag that the Impulse has stock. This mostly to do with the fact that the mag barrel is held in allignment with two O-rings. The Micro mag cures this with the ridgid barrel mount.

Basicly you can't get the preformance from a mag that will compare with a STOCK Impulse until you go up to an E-mag.

FOM

[poolshark5226]

mipaint-YES THANK YOU! All I was trying to say is that you'd put a lot of $ to get a mag working at the same level as a stock imp. So, jus to raise the price thing one more time, lets say you get a TKO package. Then add intelliframe for speed (to compare with imp), and an antisyphon tank. $410 right there. AND LVL 10 so it doesnt chop. $495. And, just to be on the safe, "I dont want to destroy my valve" side, add an x-chamber. $535. Now, an imp DOESNT need a ACE system not to chop, the main reason is so you can sustain very high rates of fire and not chop. Like 14+ a second, most likely more, as my imp doesnt chop at 14 WITHOUT vision. And, forget the vert reg. Get it with horizontal reg and a gadget grip, for $400 at pbdiscounters.com. Add a tank...$435 for performance equal too, if not better than (and IMO it is much better than) your $535 mag. Don't get me wrong, I love mags, I truly do, I just think that Imps have a lot more going for them. When it comes down to it, its just user preference. An imp with all thats listed still costs $100 more than the mag listed. Whatever, just my .02

P.S.: There isnt much wrong IMO with the imp trigger, but it can be fixed by getting a $25 trigger.

[Dr J]

Get an Impulse WHERE????

<BMFG>

[poolshark5226]

Hey Dr J- Im sorry, I <3 EPBO, but do you get a gadget grip with the EPBO one for $425? I love Rats, but if you're going standard Imp, I say go with where it's cheapest. Im in the process of making my own Batman Rat right now, except I'm doing it in peices, one upgrade at a time. And, those upgrades are coming from EPBO...or 888:P

[mipaint]

I would recomend you thing very hard about getting a Vertical reg gun. You will see hundreds of posts from fokes wanting to change their bottom line guns to vertical reg guns-- I don't think I have EVER seen a person that wanted to go the other way!

Second you might want to consider some of the "packages" this is by far the cheapest way to upgrade your impulse- and the pluse is that even though you have upgraded it, it still retains the same warrenty (because the goodies were installed and tested for you by the dealer.

Finaly you should be aware that almost every retailer will match prices on the same iteam. This means if for example the free tape worm has no value to you and someone else was selling at a lower price, it is almost certain you can get the peice for who you what just by discussing the price.

A little tip-- just be up front and honest. Tell whoever you want to buy from that you would like to buy from them but you would like to know if they have any room to work with you on the price because such-in-such has it for X amount. This give them a chance to explan why it may be worth paying more (often it is) and give them a chance to match prices if you don't like the resion they are more.

The more you buy at one time, the easier it is to make "lower" prices. As an example if you took the LPR, LPR adapter, cocker hose, Vertical reg, vertical adapter, and blade trigger out of a package, those items would add up to about $150 to buy outright. so if you subtract that $150 "valve" from a package price, you are effectivly only paying $335 for the Impulse !!!

[Dravion]

just a question FOM, how long is that special gona be going?

[mikerox123]

Get an imp, i got a mag thinking it would be a better deal, i mean the TKO is like $125 dollars cheaper. Then i thought i migh be able to get some upgrades and get the same performace. Then i realized that i would need to get:
Intelliframe-$125
ReTro Valve-$300
Level X-$80
so that brings me to a grand total of $785 just to get th same performence as a stock imp. So i traded my mag and some for an imp less than a month after i bought it. Whit the extra money i saved i could get a vision eye and a evo II.

[mikerox123]

Get an imp, i got a mag thinking it would be a better deal, i mean the TKO is like $125 dollars cheaper. Then i thought i migh be able to get some upgrades and get the same performace. Then i realized that i would need to get:
Intelliframe-$125
ReTro Valve-$300
Level X-$80
so that brings me to a grand total of $785 just to get th same performence as a stock imp. So i traded my mag and some for an imp less than a month after i bought it. Whit the extra money i saved i could get a vision eye and a evo II.
Im not gonna tell u what to do, but just think about it. Would u rather spend $785 dollars or $575 for the vision imp. So with the money u saved u could play paintball some paintball instead of blowing it all on a marker

[paintballer1987]

i have both a impulse and a mag, and i love them both the same!!! get a tko package if u get a mag and then buy a intelli-frame, u dont really need a lvlx i have had my mag for a year and have never chopped a ball EVER, rt valve really isnt much of an issue, you dont really need it...
If you get a stock impulse it'll be the same price as a mag with intelli (correct me if im wrong), and if you get n2 for both guns, and I also love my impulse both i can do very well with on the field, each have their own advantages and disadvantages, i can shoot plenty fast with each gun easily the mag trigger isnt bad with an intelli-frame at all. Both guns are very fun and easy to maintain,

Dont forget you can pretty much never break a mag.
Dont forget impulses are pretty hard to screw up also.
Both guns will perform perfectly and competetively as long as you maintain them properly.

DONT FLAME EITHER MAGS OR IMPUSES!!!