how fast can you shoot with a tippman [Archive]

Digger

11-02-2002, 11:43 AM

Absolutley,

I chose to buy the Maddman spring kit instead of buying an RT kit. I installed the lighter sear and trigger springs for better response and the heavier main spring for cold weather (played in 40* F temperatures this morning).

I don't want to modify any of the internal gearworks just yet, and so looked for something more formal than the do-it-yourself trigger jobs discussed here and on other web sites.

The lighter springs works like a dream. I am not sure how fast I am shooting now, but its much faster than the normal 98c. Perhaps 6 or 7 balls a second. What I do know is that I now outshoot my regular VL200 hopper and have to be careful not to chop balls. I have used these springs now for the last three weekends.

The other thing that you may want to look into is a double trigger. Helps you shoot faster as well.

Guess its time for a revy for me. The Maddman kits run around $10-15. For that price you can't go wrong. Check ebay or countypaintball.com.

GrayFox

11-02-2002, 12:10 PM

i have done a lot of mods to my trigger system and on top of that i have a really fast trigger finger so i am shooting around 7 and sometimes i can get it up to 8 for a couple of seconds on a good day

Cloud113

11-02-2002, 01:23 PM

no i really did get 10 balls per second but average i get around 8 balls per second lol i had too much sugar that time i shot 10 balls per second

tonysk83

11-02-2002, 03:31 PM

ok sure....

CapnCrunch

11-02-2002, 05:26 PM

How do you know how fast you shoot without a LCD?

kingalls

11-02-2002, 05:34 PM

I believe the standard method is making a reasonable guess at your rof, doubling it, and then making sure it is faster than anyone who has previously posted... Seriously, though, record the sound of yourself fireing, then use a digital music editor to count the number of relevant peaks for the noise profile in a second.

holyhandgrenade

11-02-2002, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by CapnCrunch
How do you know how fast you shoot without a LCD?

most chronos ( not the hand held ones) will do it also

as for my rof, alot slower since i got used to my cocker trigger and im not used to my m98 any more, but 6 or 7 if i had to guess, but unless you do an actual proven test ( either a chrono or music editing software) there really isnt a way to know

Cloud113

11-03-2002, 06:12 AM

what u do is have someone say 1 mississippi while u shoot no i'm j/k i just guessed mine pretty much

tonysk83

11-03-2002, 01:51 PM

ok tape a stop clock to your hopper lid, put in 50 balls excatly, set timer for 5 seconds(or ten so you can get really and start firing at 5)then when the timer goes off stop shooting, count the number of balls in your hopper, then i think you divide that number by 50 im nto sure though

X_Paint

11-03-2002, 05:25 PM

I can get a steady 8 with my stock A-5.

slicedice2k

11-03-2002, 06:28 PM

I just bought a tippy wit an ebolt for 125$ (sweet), but i can only rip like 9, maybe 10 on it, non consistently. With my friends stock tippy i can rip like 6. :D

Turambar

11-03-2002, 06:58 PM

I get around 6 or 7 right now..gonna mess with my trigger spring (yes, I only have one spring) and see what happens.

The trigger mods I did lowered my trigger pulled by so much..plus the double trigger will always help.

starboarder2001

11-03-2002, 07:41 PM

Originally posted by Cloud113
what u do is have someone say 1 mississippi while u shoot no i'm j/k i just guessed mine pretty much

we figured.

greatonekyle

11-06-2002, 11:53 AM

8bps and i didnt guess, i used a chrono if thats how u spell it

shinobidice

11-08-2002, 07:16 PM

Well, i have acquired my own old black scratched to heck 98c. It had a double trigger on it, i can probably get about 6-8 on it on a good day, havent actually played with it yet. Just fun shooting at targets so far.

M89king

11-21-2002, 06:33 PM

i can get 15 BPS with a Ebolt on responce mode

-=ReD-hAzE=-

11-21-2002, 07:11 PM

i max out my flash... and fire pretty goll-darn fast on Turambar's tippy... with mine... i probably get about 5-6...

3Fingered Jack

11-21-2002, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by don
how fast can you shoot with a tippmann?:) :) :)

18,000 bph. No joke.

GrayFox

11-22-2002, 01:41 PM

hahaha that would get pretty painfull shooting non stop for an hour unless you have a ebolt (which you could get like 36,000 bph) and a super megasized horendus hopper:eek: :rolleyes: :eek:

Gravity Slave

11-22-2002, 04:05 PM

I can probably get out 7-8 balls through my 98c a second. It's because I use a custom horizontal zip line fed clip/loader. It's designed to feed every paintball consecutivly just like an actual fire arm's spring fed clip. So I never shoot dry (atleast not until I'm out of balls). It's tough to hit the 8 ball a second mark unless I fire it like a tourny player. I'm actually quite surprised on how short the stock trigger pull is for a marker of this design...

pbkiller69

11-22-2002, 04:55 PM

I doubt that most of you get higher then 6 without fanning the trigger. BPS is the most exagerated thing ever. Go up to somebody who has a multiple modes gun and set it at 7bps. You will see that its much faster than you think. And for the guy who shoots "10bps" All I have to say is your full of <insert swear hear>.:D

tonysk83

11-22-2002, 05:23 PM

hehe, go to oddesseys website who make the halo download a pic of an emag doing 20 tehn youll be impressed, but i haev seen a guy at my field with an angel hit 19 in semi, it was pretty sweet

GrayFox

11-23-2002, 08:26 AM

god!!! thats a bunch of little whacks on the trigger in one second!!!! WOAH!

mikerox123

11-23-2002, 12:15 PM

i can shoot 6 or 7 bps over the chrono with my RT turned all the way off. Not bad. But then i got rig of my tippmann to get an imp. Sont know exactly what i can shoot with that but i know that its faster

adrenalinejunky

11-23-2002, 12:59 PM

8bps, confirmed with a chrono

3Fingered Jack

11-23-2002, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by GrayFox
hahaha that would get pretty painfull shooting non stop for an hour unless you have a ebolt (which you could get like 36,000 bph) and a super megasized horendus hopper:eek: :rolleyes: :eek:

Not to mention that it would cost $450 considering one case equals $50. :laugh: Double that for the e-bolt.

arson51

11-23-2002, 08:11 PM

when i first recieved my stock 98c i thought the exact same thing. with a single tirgger and some computer recording software on average in a "controlled situation" i could fire about 8 bps fanning the trigger. later with a double tirgger and rt the marker fired about 10bps when the rt was on its "sweet spot". currently with the ebolt my 98c fired a clean even 13 bps on full auto.

starboarder2001

11-23-2002, 09:06 PM

Originally posted by arson51
currently with the ebolt my 98c fired a clean even 13 bps on full auto.

wow....that must have been hard..:rolleyes:

???how fast can u shoot in semi only and was that just a guess thing or did u shoot over a chrono???

tonysk83

11-24-2002, 08:58 AM

im dont no everything about an ebolt but im pretty sure you can set your rof, so shut your mouth and learn your facts

arson51

11-24-2002, 09:21 AM

it wasnt a guess thing or over a chrono i used sound recording software on my computer.

with ebolt on semi with highest rate of fire i can fire about 10 bps. i could do better but theres alot of wasted play on the ebolt trigger. i need to imporvise a trigger stop of some sort to be able to shoot faster.

starboarder2001

11-24-2002, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by tonysk83
im dont no everything about an ebolt but im pretty sure you can set your rof, so shut your mouth and learn your facts

who are u talking too?

Originally posted by arson51
it wasnt a guess thing or over a chrono i used sound recording software on my computer.

with ebolt on semi with highest rate of fire i can fire about 10 bps. i could do better but theres alot of wasted play on the ebolt trigger. i need to imporvise a trigger stop of some sort to be able to shoot faster.

cool....:D

10bps is pretty fast. I can only pull 11bps on my friends angel...i can fan 13bps.

Codestar20

11-25-2002, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by pbkiller69
I doubt that most of you get higher then 6 without fanning the trigger. BPS is the most exagerated thing ever. Go up to somebody who has a multiple modes gun and set it at 7bps. You will see that its much faster than you think. And for the guy who shoots "10bps" All I have to say is your full of <insert swear hear>.:D

I was thinking the exact same thing. 6 could be about the max on a single trigger. I could see 7+ with a double trigger though.

If you want to fire faster without getting the RT, get a double trigger. With the M98s short and light pull, a double trigger will be very nice.

Crime Dog

11-26-2002, 05:31 AM

Confirmed...there is no way somebody could get 10 bps on a stock 98. And even if you could, your stock gravity feed hopper wouldn't feed that fast, and so you'd be chopping balls left and right.

Heck, I can only get about 10 bps right now with my Palmer Blazer. (Give me some time to get my trigger finger even faster...)

holyhandgrenade

11-26-2002, 01:59 PM

crime dog
i can almost guarantee that you'll never be able to fire over 10bps with a blazer, are blazers fast? yes absolutely, is it still basically a cocker, yes. without an electro conversion on a cocker i doubt most people could shoot over 9 bps ( possibly with a hinge)
sorry man

adrenalinejunky

11-26-2002, 02:21 PM

1. i have a freind who can fan 11bps on a tippmann
2. gravity feeds at 13bps
3. from what i understand a blazer isn't basically a cocker, but there are people who can go faster than 10 a sec with that kind of trigger pull.

xavier678

11-26-2002, 02:38 PM

Originally posted by adrenalinejunky
1. i have a freind who can fan 11bps on a tippmann

98/custom? w/o an rt or ebolt? unless you have an rt or an ebolt, that is out of the question. It may seem really fast but a tippmann cannot feasably shoot that fast. sorry.

I hardly ever but can shoot maby 8 with mine, topps and that is with a 2mm, lightened pull/2x trigger. That is very uncomfortable and akward.

holyhand, i have shot a completely mechanical cocker w/ hinge faster than 9. fanning the trigger it can be done.

holyhandgrenade

11-26-2002, 03:21 PM

how does anybody know how fast they can shoot? unless you have done a PROVEN method, there is no way to tell how fast you are shooting

adrenalinejunky:
w/o an rt/ebolt kit there is no way he can shoot 11bps, that is assuming it is actually being measured correctly, and there is no way balls feed at 13bps in reality, maybe if they were totally unobstructed, but they never can in real life, and a blazer is a cocker, it just has it parts arranged differently, ill be the first to defend a slider ( the type of trigger on a cocker w/o a hinge, and the kind that come on blazers) but for most people a hinge is way faster than a slider

xavier678:
i was assuming that people would not be fanning, but all the same, i should have phrased that sentence differently, with a hinge some people can do it but it isn't that terribly common without the trigger adjusted just to ones liking, and lots pf practice

P-38

11-26-2002, 06:50 PM

The way i shot off a couple more bps was a simple double trigger. After a little practice....i was able to walk on the trigger with great ease, speed, and comfort. Nice upgrade.

arson51

11-26-2002, 07:31 PM

yes a person can dry fire that fast but can they shoot paintballs that fast!

starboarder2001

11-26-2002, 07:49 PM

are u actualy shooting it over a chrono to see how fast u are shooting? 10bps is very fast and it is imposoble to pull 10bps on a stock tippmann or even one with a double trigger.

look at the image i attached I can pull 99bps on my friends angel!!!:rolleyes: lol

P-38

11-26-2002, 08:00 PM

Dude....it is physically impossible to pull 99 bps on any gun. Even if it is an angel.....thats just VERY VERY hard to freaking believe dude. Sorry but i dont by it.

starboarder2001

11-26-2002, 08:03 PM

Turambar

11-26-2002, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by P-38
Dude....it is physically impossible to pull 99 bps on any gun. Even if it is an angel.....thats just VERY VERY hard to freaking believe dude. Sorry but i dont by it.

Lol..look at his sig...he's got an Impy. I think if anyone had an Angel..they'd put it in their sig over an Impy (unless they loved that Impy like mad).

Plus..I think that was a hint of sarcasm :) (as he said he was joking, yeah it was)

-=ReD-hAzE=-

11-26-2002, 08:33 PM

you can't pull 99... but a computer could... you just need a 10,000v warp...:P

holyhandgrenade

11-26-2002, 08:35 PM

LMAO!

i cant believe that people actually thought you could do that, i have even less hope in humanity now

on a serious note, how did you get the LCD to say that, ( begin sarcasm) unless you really can empty a hopper in 2 seconds ( end sarcasm)

-=ReD-hAzE=-

11-26-2002, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by holyhandgrenade
LMAO!

i cant believe that people actually thought you could do that, i have even less hope in humanity now

on a serious note, how did you get the LCD to say that, ( begin sarcasm) unless you really can empty a hopper in 2 seconds ( end sarcasm)

name two people that believed it...

starboarder2001

11-26-2002, 09:24 PM

if u dont believe me i can prove it....look another pic(just joking ofcourse).;) :rolleyes:

Crime Dog

11-27-2002, 10:14 AM

Technically HolyHandGernade...a Cocker is a Palmer Gun. Glenn Palmer inveted the pneumatic automation system, and showed it to Budd Orr, who then applied it to his own guns. So Glenn came up with it first...

So, no...A Blazer is not basically a cocker...ya got it backwards. ;)

Anyway...We'll see about whether or not I'll be able to get over 10 bps. We can all speculate all we want, but until it's actually done (or not done), all you have is...well...speculation.

So let's wait until I see whether or not I can pull that fast on My Blazer, ok? :D

Anyway...

Someone said gravity feeds at 13 bps.

BUNK.

Heck...even my Ricochet AK only claims 12 bps for normal use. (Ya might get lucky and get a bit faster...but...) And trust me, my Ricochet feeds MUCH faster then my old gravity feed hopper.

I can't believe some of what I"m reading here. 11 bps on a stock Tippy. Psh. Yeah. Whatever. Come on guys. You're making Tippmann owners look like idiots by making those kinds of claims.

Any reason this thread should stay open anyone? I don't see any productive discussion here...

cockermaster

11-27-2002, 10:27 AM

When someone said 13 bps gravity feed, they most likely used a straight tube to test, not a hopper to cause the balls to get stuck. Anyway I have heard that too, Crime, how you like that Blazer? Read and downloaded the video of you getting it. Is it sweet or what? any major problems? Just wondering:D

Crime Dog

11-27-2002, 10:30 AM

I'll answer ya in PMs. Those questions are off topic. ;)

mikerox123

11-27-2002, 05:47 PM

yea, that guy is right. Gravity does feed at 13 bps max. That is in optimal conditions, no bottle necking to get into the feed tube. That is why you dont see any agitating loders that will feed over 13 bps. Once hey are in the feed neck, they will only fall that fast. YOu need a force fed loader like a HALO B or an EVO II to feed over 13.

grim_reaper

11-28-2002, 07:30 PM

i can shoot 10 bps on my friends 98c w/response trigger

benzy2

11-28-2002, 07:46 PM

right gravity can feed 13bps. But with the plain hoppers the balls jam up and cant feed near that fast. Have you ever filled your regular hopper and tried to see how fast it feeds. it is terrible.