The wrong direction for paintball?

[littlejerry]

Look at what some of the newer companies are doing...
http://shop.paintballarmory.com/items.asp?CartId=9095363JFEBJ-CARTID1-735&Cc=ARMO


I strongly oppose this. This is a damn good reason why paintball is being banned in NY. When unfamiliar people see these types of paintball guns, they get the WRONG impression about the sport AND players.

There are other sports people can play to use replica firearms such as Airsoft. I hope that this idea of replica paintballguns doesnt last long.

[Cadet2005]

"Replica" is a sorry word for that. First of all, no magazine. Second of all, feeds from above (very few real guns that do that and most are antigues...BREN [Brit], Gatling [Old US], and a few Japanese guns are all that come to mind). Third of all, it needs a CO2 or Nitrogen source to make it fire that will be clearly visible from the outside. Third of all, it is not even close to being a 1:1 scale which is defined as being a "replica firearm".

Now, here is my argument: idiots are the reason that paintball is being banned in NY. If they sell one of these in a domain not intended to be solely for the sport of paintball it is clearly a stupid mistake for people will have to wonder if it is real or not. But I would be willing to bet that in NY (and I am pretty sure NYC is the primary force in this and it is understandbale as things are different in a city rocked with violence) it is because people carry them around in public view and do not handle them like potential weapons (and they are, then again, to me, so is a plastic spoon and/or and orange and peel.) If somebody wants to use one (I wouldn't because I have the Proteam Tippmman 98 with M4 type look) I say let them so long as they use it responsibly.

I do have a problem with the "new" (am not sure exactly how new they are) markers that are 1:1 scale replicas from a website online that use magazines and actually eject the shell that goes around the paintball. They also have no external air tank, it screws in somewhere internally and it functions like a real rifle of the same design would. THAT is going too far. This other stuff, i think it shows creativity and personal expression and as I recall since it isn't hurting anybody (physically or emotionally) it would therefore be part of the freedom of expression. Some baseball players use a maple bat while others use one made of ash. Preferences, and it is up to us to be accepting of those preferences.

[Cadet2005]

http://www.airgunstore.com/PBALL/RAM/RAMFRAMES.HTM


That's the website for the .43-caliber paintball guns I think are too far above and beyond. Those don't belong in the hands of a 10-17 year old...And I would honestly be scared of one of them staring at me and I have been trained on weapons like that.

That in my opinion is above and beyond the desire for sport but rather the desire for combat.

[littlejerry]

things like that need to stay OUT of paintball.

I think these should be SEPERATE sports. I dont want the average person to get the two confused.

Next thign you know some 12 year old will get shot by a cop while playing wiht one somewhere. Then paintball will be banned from all major cities.

then the sport will be frowned apon by most people...

[Alexi1337]

Holy sh***! Those guns at http://www.airgunstore.com/PBALL/RAM/RAMFRAMES.HTM are freaking sweet! I wouldn't walk down the street with them, but dayum those are awesome! That would be sooooo sweet for outlaw.

[Cadet2005]

Perhaps Alexi, but there lies in the problem of cost. Take a look at a 20-round magazine alone...30 some bucks. That's without paintballs. Then the paintball themselves, about the same as regular but then you need the shells to eject out the gun...after a while that adds up.

As for a twelve year old being shot, if you are referring to the airgunstore website, yeah, he might be. But I have had cops who tell me that they look for a bottomline almost instantly or a hopper/elbow on the side. They don't shoot unless the gun is pointed at them anyway, so that might be a little too far an accusation. They aren't going to shoot a kid in an instant unless he poses a threat, if he is walking down the street with it down towards the ground yeah he is going to get busted but hey, he deserves it.

Those .43-caliber guns still belong nowhere in paintball, they are not paintball guns but imitations, training tools and that is where they need to stay. If you need that much realism join the Army or Marine Corps, though the Army won't take you more than likely because you are anxious for combat. If you are trained on one of these, then it is your choice to me, because you will know how to handle it and you more than likely will find some way to differentiate between real and paintball marker, but for me, and I have fired real guns like that in training, I wouldn't dare use it. Especially on my friends.

[littlejerry]

If they wana make those, fine. But it should be considered a SERPERATE sport, like airsoft.

I dont like the idea of those being called paintballguns. There is a HUGE difference between that and the autococker sitting in my closet...

[tonysk83]

who agrees that these threads are old and have been done millions of times, i have said it once, i haev said it twice...........shut up, no one cares

[Cadet2005]

So what the "nobody cares", do we not have a right to post our opinions on a paintball issue here in the forum for all to reply their own opinion to, isn't that the intent of these forums? To allow people to express their feelings about certain issues? Truthfully tonysk83, if you have nothing to contribute to this particular discussion then let me be frank: butt out.

Littlejerry, I ask you this: the difference is purely aesthetic. Your marker looks more furturistic or whatever on the outside but internally most of the parts are similar to those used in real guns and the same as the parts used in the replica markers. You have a bolt, sometimes a closed operating system such as the MP5 or sometimes a blowback like some of the older semi-autos, it is similar, minus the gas valve. Same with these other markers.

What about Spyders? They look a little like pistols. Large pistols, and perhaps nothing on the market but then again, it is kind of hard to see an exact replica that has a bottomline to power the marker/gun. What about Tippman's? You going to deny them the right to be paintball guns? They look like a Scheissmeiser, the German machine-pistol of WWII fame...yet many people accept them as a standard paintball marker and truthfully, that is closer to being accurate than some of these other markers.

Let me look at your autococker as well. Does it have a trigger? Yup. Does it resemble a compact machine-pistol? Can. Does it fire a projectile of some sort? Yup. Does it use a non-explosive gas to propel the projectile? Yup. Now let's look at the other markers which are not paintball guns as you say. Do they use a non-explosive gas to fire a projectile? Yup. Do they resemble a realistic gun? Can. Do they use a trigger to operate? Yup. Hmm, to borrow a line from Collin Raye (a country singer): "[They're] really not that different..." Do me a favor, I want you to really really really study a picture of an M-16, MP5, and M4 and then look at these markers you are groaning about...if you can't see obvious differences, then you have no earthly business possessing something that discharges a projectile because you are unobservant and thus dangerous to others.

[xXhappyAznXx]

im not against it
but i think its kinda dumb for any sport to have realistic guns...
but theres a good side? good for military training

[Natural Newbie]

in japan (i think it was japan, maybe china or sumhtin) those .43 calibre paint shooting guns (heh) are as big as paintball in america. they all play these big military scenario games with them, its freaky. and all they wear are some cheap little plastic safety glasses

[tonysk83]

Originally posted by Cadet2005
So what the "nobody cares", do we not have a right to post our opinions on a paintball issue here in the forum for all to reply their own opinion to, isn't that the intent of these forums? To allow people to express their feelings about certain issues? Truthfully tonysk83, if you have nothing to contribute to this particular discussion then let me be frank: butt out.


well, you totally missed my point in that post, do a search there is like 1 million threads like this, contribute your information to one of these threads

[Cadet2005]

What does it matter if we post here tonysk83? Mod hasn't shut it down so perhaps we have something here that they didn't? I don't see a mod under your name anyway so like I said, unless you have something you are willing to contribute, kindly step aside.


as for the .43-caliber, it is airsoft you are thinking of I am pretty sure, not the paintball markers they show on the website, unless it wasn't Japan like you indicated. Airsoft is a big hit over there I know that, do a search on airsoft websites and you will find some pretty good pictures of what airsoft can do when played and it will perhaps show you why people turn to paintball for the same reason and not airsoft.

Okay, so now you're saying hunting shouldn't have realistic guns? It is a sport by definition. What about the biatholon? What about skeet shooting? There are numerous sports that utilize realistic guns, why can't a sport utilize them like paintball?

[littlejerry]

I still think it is wrong to advertise these guns as being realistic.

It send the wrong message to young players when you give em a replica and tell em to go shoot people with it.

The .43 paintball guns are WAY outa line. There is NO bottomline, NO hopper, they are EXACT replicas.
But since they do not sell to minors, i have no real proble with the sport. If it WERE considered a paintballgun that you could use at a field, i would be strongly opposed.

[tonysk83]

Originally posted by Cadet2005
What does it matter if we post here tonysk83? Mod hasn't shut it down so perhaps we have something here that they didn't? I don't see a mod under your name anyway so like I said, unless you have something you are willing to contribute, kindly step aside.


how about you kindly do a search.....ill do one for you

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=97789&highlight=military

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=95837&highlight=military

http://www.pbreview.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19648&highlight=replica

theres three just from a quick search in the general paintabll forum, do a search in the tippmann forum and u would find alot more

[littlejerry]

OR..... how about you just dont read it if you dont like people always talking about it?