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Virus_Nyne 04-11-2005 07:55 PM

Trilogy Facts
 
THIS STICKY ASSUMES YOU HAVE A BASIS ON COCKER WORKINGS. This should answer all Trilogy questions, if not, PM me and your question will be incorporated in here with your name added at your option.

Buying a Trilogy

The Sport has a blue anno, the Competition(Comp.) has the red/black, and the Pro is the silver/purpleish.

Pros:
1. Trilogy costs less.
2. Trilogy is easier to maintain, it got rid of some of the features nobody used.
3. Trilogy shoots exactly like a traditional autococker.
4. Trilogy is much lighter weight and stronger than the traditional autococker(single body).

Cons:
1.Special mounting equipment is needed for a traditional LPR, and an e-frame's solenoid. Discussed later.
2. Less upgrade options available at the time.


If you want to know which Trilogy to pick, always go with the Comp. or Pro. The Sport, decent in its ways, you get alot more when you go Comp. or Pro. Pro is the best of the 3 stock, unless you woodsball then your anno will give you off.

You will get better everything for the extra 20-30 dollars for the Comp., 80 dollars more for the Pro. You will save alot of money in the long run, by paying more up front. This is true when you up to the Pro, even more savings for you.

IMO= in my opinion, you'll just have to try it for yourself.

Advantages of upping to Comp. from Sport:

Regulator from Gas Through
Better valve operation - made more for HPA, but handles CO2 well.
Better barrel
Better grips(IMO) - not just panels, they wrap around


Advantages of upping to Pro:

Angled regulator(IMO)
Grips(IMO)
Trigger Frame(it's full sized) - 2 finger, not 1 1/2.
Delrin bolt
3 piece barrel system - to get a better ball to barrel match.



Air Source:

The Trilogy will work on CO2 or HPA. If you must use CO2, then have an anti-siphon tube installed. If you can't, marker freeze, shootdown, and inconsistent velocity result more often.

HPA is reccomended. All of CO2's problems are corrected using HPA.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho Acumen
The marker runs around 300psi and an LP tank puts out around 400psi. The general rule of thumb is that you want at least 150psi more pressure going into the regulator than the regulator is putting out to prevent starving the marker of air.

300+150= 450
450 > 400psi preset

You could probably get away with an LP tank for a mech marker, but again, that tank would only work on low pressure markers. So any markers running above 200-300psi won't be able to use the tank.


Upgradeability:

shadow102(PbNation) discovered the pump arm is not standard length. As for now, we have no replacement pump arms. The ram is mounted farther back on a Trilogy.

You cannot upgrade the 4-way. You can put a TechT adjustable actuator rod on there(see Timing).

You cannot put a front block on a Trilogy, because it doesn't exist.

You cannot put any new LPR on the Trilogy, you may put a Palmer's Micro Rock custom made for the Trilogy on there. TechT and Planet Eclipse manufacture adapters for new LPRs.

The valve is not the same as any cocker valve. This goes for the valve spring as well. Palmer's makes a new valve for the Trilogy, benefits are unknown, but here's an image. Search Palmer's Pursuit Shop's website. It is labeled the Trilogy LT valve.

Some rams will fit:
STO
KAPP Fat
Hybrid Half Pint
Shocktech
Extreme Rage

The Nexus will need some sanding of the nut at the end. We've been told the MP-4(WGP) won't work. Thanks to Loncove(PbReview, PbNation)

The stock ram is removeable, but in the following steps. First, remove all hoses. Then, hold a lighter to the body area where the ram bolts on. This will melt the loctite, and if your annodizing stains black, it will easily rub off. Twist the ram in a little bit more, and remove the rear barb using the proper tool. Now your ram is freely removeable. Replace barb after installing ram again. If your barb runs into the body on any ram, just remove it, install the ram, then put back the barbs. Finger tighten it. Redirect hoses as necessary.

Trigger frames are 100% compatable. Some may require buying the TechT actuator rod - it hasn't been confirmed but people quit asking once it is suggested.

The Trilogy has a cocker threaded barrel.

The feedneck is not removeable. Trinity makes a slip over design for the stock feedneck.

Merlin mQ valves shall fit. Shifty_P(PbNation) reveals this.

FIRST UPGRADES Never you mind the parts that can't be upgraded, everything else holds true.



Timing:

The only aspect you cannot time the Trilogy in is the actuator rod - in it's stock form. TechT Paintball produces the first and only(as of 6/28/05) adjustable rod. Link.

Your cocking rod may not be adjustable, simply because you may get one with the threading locked really well. Deal with it by buying a new one.

Cockertech.com has a 14mb video, and an article on how to time.


Electro:

There are various mounting brackets for any cocker e-frame. TCPaintball, and Planet Eclipse are the 2 known.

TCPaintballbracket made. Ordering information is in the first post in this link.

Eclipse-made eblade adapter(search).






Cycle/Firing Rate:

AS FAST AS YOUR FINGERS WILL MOVE. Which is probably 6-8 bps.

If you electro your Trilogy, it will still move as fast as your fingers can. The ram may need to be upgraded to accomodate higher speeds, and QEVs/TRVs should be added.


LPR and Inline adjustment:

The LPR is adjustable. Remove it, look in the back, and you should see a screw. Twist inwards to lower pressure, and back out to raise pressure.

The inline regulator has a groove at the bottom, take a wrench and wrench if off, at the sake of alot of scratches. There will be your screw. Turn it inward to reduce pressure, opposite for the increase.

You should only try adjusting these if you use HPA, and you know what you are doing.


And reliability:

These markers for the price are very reliable. Don't be fooled by anyone who says otherwise. I have shot all 3 - I can tell you they work very well. They shoot as far, if the velocity on all markers were at a perfect 280, and they are VERY accurate, for stock. Anyone who says elsewise, is either a "cocker snob" or an idiot who hasn't done their research.

Guts
joeh(PbNation) has given us an image of his Sport torn down. Shifty_P(PbNation) edited the image with numbers, and has provided a list of all the items. Edited for size.


1) Barrel
2) Barrel O-ring
3) Ram Housing
4) Ram o-ring
5) Ram Back
6) Ram Rod
7) Pump arm
8) Bolt
9) Bolt o-rings
10) Pull Pin
11) Ram Barbs
12) Body
13) Back Block
14) LPR Housing
15) LPR o-ring
16) LP hose guide
17) LPR Internals
18) Beavertail Screw & Washer
19) Beavertail
21) Valve Spring
22) Valve
23) Valve o-rings
24) Hammer Lug
25) Hammer
26) Hammer Spring
27) Internal Velocity Adjuster
28) Cocking Rod
29) Internal Velocity Adjuster o-ring
30) Actuator Rod
31) Actuator rod o-rings (the other one is still on the rod)
32) Gas Through Grip
33) Gas Through o-ring
34) LP hosing
35) Trigger Frame
36) Trigger Frame Screws
37) Valve retaining screw
38) Bottomline ASA Screws
39) Air Source Adapter (ASA)
40) Grip Panel Screws
41) Grip Panels
42) Bottomline

Updated 3/15/06.

JoJo69 04-11-2005 07:58 PM

thank you we need this no one can seem to find the other ones BTW good job its a very good review

amzng_spyderman 04-12-2005 02:34 AM

ack. beat me to it.

stuck.

mrob 04-12-2005 12:03 PM

nice!:cool:

Virus_Nyne 04-12-2005 12:31 PM

Thank you, whoever made it a sticky. Now, whenever someone makes a stupid Trilogy post(of course, already answered in here), link them to this sticky, and CLOSE IMMEDIATELY. No dragging on arguments about how an ION is better for the price(which it is).

Oni Gumo 04-12-2005 12:35 PM

Bravo, bravo!

BigTarget04 04-12-2005 12:38 PM

Under Upgradeability shoudlnt it be a 3-way instead of a 4-way?

Virus_Nyne 04-12-2005 12:44 PM

3-way is the term most people use, because Budd Orr admittedly made that mistake. People accepted that, whereas it actually has 4 ways, from the lpr, front/back of the ram, and the exhaust out of the sides.

4-way is the technical term, but 3-way is the most accepted.

pbjoe693 04-12-2005 12:54 PM

Re: Trilogy Facts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Virus_Nyne


Cycle/Firing Rate:

AS FAST AS YOUR FINGERS WILL MOVE. and they will probably only move 6-8 balls per second, just like any other mech cocker.

Every gun in the worlds firing rate is as fast as your fingers will move. What really counts is how fast the trigger CAN move.

Virus_Nyne 04-12-2005 01:05 PM

The trigger can move just as fast as your fingers can move it.

pbjoe693 04-12-2005 01:14 PM

yea but if your doing 10 BPS on the trigger and the cycle rate is only 6 or 7 BPS and you have a 8 BPS hopper your only shooting 6 or 7 BPS. Or you chop like crazy.

Virus_Nyne 04-12-2005 02:13 PM

"yea but if your doing 10 BPS on the trigger and the cycle rate is only 6 or 7 BPS and you have a 8 BPS hopper your only shooting 6 or 7 BPS. Or you chop like crazy."

I can't comprehend this. You're doing 10 bps, but you're only doing 6 or 7?

The Trilogy, for one, is rated at 10-12, across the Comp and Pro. The Sport is 8-10.

Second, if you have an 8bps hopper, and you're doing 6 or 7, provided that hopper is working correctly, you won't be chopping.

amzng_spyderman 04-12-2005 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Someday1189
hey. you. shut your hole.
ahh, deleting stupid posts is so relaxing :)

Someday1189 04-12-2005 05:25 PM

rofl:laugh:. yes, yes it is:dodgy:











....... waaaaaaiiiiit a second, were you talkin to me?:eyes:

Virus_Nyne 04-12-2005 07:54 PM

Holy crap do you people see that? No Trilogy threads!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :D

Someday1189 04-12-2005 08:09 PM

wtf what? where?

amzng_spyderman 04-13-2005 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Someday1189
rofl:laugh:. yes, yes it is:dodgy:











....... waaaaaaiiiiit a second, were you talkin to me?:eyes:

as you can see, i deleted the post you responded to.

xtremesnipr223 04-13-2005 02:15 PM

OOOOK, Trilogy question! (YEA! IT'S NOT IN ANOTHER THREAD!)

I just got mine about 2 weeks ago (The Pro version), and I run it off a 12oz CO2 tank (soon to be a 47/3000 if I can find a good price on eBay). On my old spyder shutter, I could get about 800 shots per fill. Strangely, I only get about 550 (at most 600) on my Trilogy...What's going on here? I heard you could get more. I'm thinking it's the small amount of gas that is released from the 4-way after you fire, but that doesn't seem like enough to take down my shots per fill by about 250.

xtremesnipr223 04-13-2005 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pbjoe693
yea but if your doing 10 BPS on the trigger and the cycle rate is only 6 or 7 BPS and you have a 8 BPS hopper your only shooting 6 or 7 BPS. Or you chop like crazy.
um...yeah...:eyes:

The highest I can hit sustained is 7 (I timed it). I can hit 8 in 3 round bursts, and close to 9 in quick 2 round bursts.

Virus_Nyne 04-13-2005 02:20 PM

Retime your Trilogy, if you're losing gas that quick. You shouldn't be, but it could always be out of time, and you might have blowback.


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