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Old 08-04-2005, 09:01 AM   #1
Brett@NitroDuck
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Air system specifications

3000 psi (Pre-set)
Size ----- Weight ------ w/Reg
68 ci ------ 1.94 ------ 2.42

4500 psi (Pre-set)
Size ----- Weight ------ w/Reg
45 ci ------ 1.86 ------ 2.36
68 ci ------ 2.12 ------ 2.62
90 ci ------ 2.76 ------ 3.26

X-Stream 4500 psi (Adjust.)
Size ----- Weight ------ w/Reg
45 ci ------ 1.86 ------ 2.46
68 ci ------ 2.12 ------ 2.72
90 ci ------ 2.76 ------ 3.36

Regulators Only
Type ----- Weight
3000 psi ------ .48
4500 psi ------ .50
X-Stream ----- .60
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:09 PM   #2
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Crossfire tank specs.

All measurements include the reg and the bottles were all empty

3000psi Systems-------------Wt-----------Diameter---------Length
CF47Reg----------------------3.15-------------3.50-------------11.0
CF68Reg----------------------2.48-------------3.50-------------12.0
CF114Reg--------------------3.60-------------4.25-------------15.0

4500 Systems
CF45Reg4500---------------2.02-------------3.50--------------11.0
CF68Reg4500---------------2.70-------------3.50--------------12.5
CF72Reg4500---------------3.05-------------4.25--------------11.0
CF88Reg4500---------------3.02-------------3.50--------------15.0
CF88PHAT4500-------------3.20-------------4.25--------------13.0


These are all the ones i have in stock as of today. All measurements were in inches and weights in lbs. I hope this is helpful.


Here are our new bottle measurements....

NEW!!!!!!NEW!!!!!NEW!!!!!NEW!!!!!
45/4500---------------------2.02---------------3.5---------------11
68/4500---------------------2.50---------------3.5---------------12.25
70/4500---------------------3.00---------------4.125------------10.75
92/4500---------------------3.20---------------4.125-------------12.75

These are our new SCI bottles....

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Old 08-04-2005, 01:13 PM   #3
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Re-charge rate results, as taken from the 2004 edition of What Paintball Gear? magazine. The tests were actually conducted by a member of Planet Eclipse's technical staff.

A = pressure prior to shot, in PSI
B = lowest pressure during shot, in PSI
C = % pressure drop
D = recovery time 95% of pressure in MS


NAME / A / B / C / D

ACI bulldog / 710 / 487 / 31% / 122ms

Armageddon / 807 / 661 / 18% / 90ms

Centerflag / 801 / 675 / 16% / 14ms

Crossfire / 770 / 662 / 14% / 10ms

DYE throttle / 830 / 573 / 30% / 173ms

EVIL Scion / 556 / 472 / 15% / 18ms

Pro Toyz / 804 / 508 / 26% / 41ms

Pure Energy / 840 / 724 / 14% / 10(30*)ms

WDP A.I.R. / 797 / 648 / 19% / 45ms


* Pure Energy reg initially recovers within 10ms, although the pressure oscillates and full recovery is not achieved for another 20 ms.
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Old 08-06-2005, 03:10 PM   #4
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MacDev Legion Air preset
Well, I know a few of you have been asking about this, and Bourke Grundy at MacDev has pulled through for me! Thanks Bourke, you've always been a great guy to deal with, and you haven't let me down.

So here we have it, performance specs for the MacDev Legion Air. The actual figures here are not for an on-gun application, so this won't read how my figures normally do, but I'll try and explain as I go. No re-charge rate trace graph to look at, but Bourke has always been honest with me in my dealings with him, so I'll take these results on face value.

Bourke stated: -

"The average full recharge of the Legion Air system is 8ms when recharging a volume of 200cc. I’m sorry but I do not have a graph, but as you may know, most guns require 30-80cc to cycle, so it is more than sufficient - as 8ms is less than most forward dwell times."

What we're saying here is that a marker will use between 30 and 80 cubic centimetres of air per shot, and so this is the amount of air that the regulator has to replace during the re-charge phase. In very simple terms, a high-efficiency, high-pressure marker will use less volume than a low-efficiency, low-pressure. In between you would find high-pressure, but inefficient markers, and low-pressure, high-efficiency ones. OK, things are a little more complicated than this, but you get the basic idea.

However, in MacDev's testing, they used the Legion Air reg to replace 200 cubic centimetres of air per cycle, rather than the smaller volume that a marker would require. It completed this re-charge cycle in just 8 milliseconds.

So, the take home message? The Legion Air regulator will re-charge in 8 milliseconds - faster than the Crossfire's 10 millisecond re-charge rate, which has for a long time been the benchmark against which other air systems have been compared. The Legion Air will also supply more than twice the volume of air that most markers require, within that 8 millisecond window. Certainly, there is no marker that would require more than 200 cubic centimetres per cycle. To supply that volume of air in such a short time, means that flow rate is very high, so shoot down isn't going to happen. Without a graph, it is hard to talk about reaction times, and pressure drop between shots, but with the whole cycle completed in 8 milliseconds, we can assume that reaction time is fast!

The assembled bottle lengths for the LegionAir are as follows: -

c. 45ci (0.7L), w. 2.1lbs (0.95kg), l. 10.4" (265mm), d. 3.7" (94mm)

c. 68ci (1.1L), w. 2.4lbs (1.1kg), l. 11.6" (295mm), d. 4" (100mm)

c. 91ci (1.4L), w. 3lbs (1.4kg), l. 12.4" (314mm), d. 4.5" (114mm)
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Gotta be a Scotch or a Kamikaze, none of those other weapons will faze me.

Hundred, hundred, hundred bottles on the wall, you wonder if you can drink them all.
Got to go home by 1am, the bottle wins the battle again.
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Old 10-21-2005, 10:29 AM   #5
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wieghts of screw in regulators

This is for all the people who keep asking how much a system wieghs:

First off, the bottles are not made by the reg companies, they are made by just a few places (carlton and luxfor are the most common). Luxfor bottles are lighter than carlton, so the real difference will matter with what regulator you put on the bottle, as you can get a luxfor bottle to put any of these regs on, and most companies will use more than one bottle company depending on what they can get in stock.

So, with that being said, here are the ACTUAL wieghts, NOT guesses, or estimations of the SCREW IN regs that are out there. Yes, some regs are missing, but that is because either I cannot actually wiegh them, or I cannot find information on what they wiegh from the company:

REG LENGTHS now included (not including tang on inside of tank)


The Guerrilla Air MYTH..........................(100g) (length 1 1/4")

Nitroduck iReg.......................................(108.96 g (.24lbs)

the Guerrilla Air Ambush..........................(121.2 grams) (length 2 1/4")

the Guerrilla Air Assault...........................(123.5 grams) (length 2 9/16")

Ignition reg...........................................(124 .03 grams)* (round body)

the hyperflow 420..................................(129.9 grams) (length 2 5/16") (hex body)

the Dye Throttle.....................................(136. 74 grams)

the MacDev Legionair..............................(140.00 grams)*

Category 5............................................(148. 95 grams ) (length 2 7/16")

the Air America "THE REG"........................(182.87 grams)

the WGP/FUEL screw in/Air America Screw'n....(189.75 grams) (length 2.03")

the ACI............................................... .(191.25 grams) (2 7/16")

the PMI pure energy reg..........................(194.65 grams) (2 9/16")

Max Flow Micro......................................(206.9 grams) (3")**

the Crossfire Regs..................................(215.55 grams) (2 11/16")

Nitroduck Plasma (3k reg)......................(217.92 grams) (2 3/4")*

Nitroduck Plasma (4500)........................(226.80 grams) (2 3/4")*

DXS Reg..............................................( 244.00 grams) (2 7/8")*

the Nitro Duck X-stream......................(272.4 grams) (2 3/4")*

Angel Air Adjustable reg...........................(498.95 grams)**


*** Some regs listed are adjustbable, and thus are not as light as others, the adjustable regs are the Air America Me'Lee, and the Nitro Duck X-Stream, and angel air reg. Nitro Duck regs, as well as a few other heavier regs are heavier as materials used are Alum/Brass/Stainless. Regs made in the USA and are handmade (not made on assembly lines) include Nitro Duck and Guerrilla air, and possibly many others.

*Denotes wieght Given by manufacture and/or others who have wieghed the reg for me. Actual reg NOT on hand to weigh.

** Denotes regs that do NOT require an additional ASA/bottomline adaptor.

(All regs not denoted with * are regs taken off of a bottle, so they are from actual runs of the reg, just like you would buy in any store, and wieghed with a Galaxy 400 Laboratory Digital Scale.)

To help you compare, because most people in the US don't use grams, a standard viewloader VL200 non motorized hopper wieghs 138 grams without any paintballs.


Bottle Wieghts:
Choose your reg, and add the wieght of your bottle to come up with total system wieght:

Inocom Carbon Fiber 68/4500 DOT 14003 .................... 2.03lbs (923 Grams)
Carleton Carbon Fiber 68/4500 DOT-11194....................2.1 lbs (953.4 Grams)
Carleton FiberGlass 68/4500 DOT-11005.......................2.6 lbs (1180.4 Grams)
Catalina Aluminum 47/3000 DOT- 3AL3000...................2.7 lbs (1225.8 Grams)
LUXFER Carbon Fiber 88/3000 DOT 10915....................2.3 lbs (1044.2 Grams)
LUXFER CARBON FIBER 68/4500 DOT 10915...................2.1 lbs (953.4 Grams)
LUXFER CARBON FIBER 45/4500 DOT 10915................... (820.0 Grams)
SCI "white" 68ci 4500psi 08/2005 bottle.......................2.5 lbs (1133.9 Grams)
Carleton Fiberglass 45/4500 DOT 11005........................1.9lbs (861.8 Grams)
stako/ceasair Composite bottle (NOT DOT approved)......1.75lbs (793.8 Grams)

Thanks to brett at nitro duck for information, as well as moogle on pbnation for giving wieghts of various regs.

Understanding that many other paintball forums have now taken this information, and posted it on their sites, Please give credit to where it's due (IE the thanks line, and to PBNation)

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