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Old 01-28-2007, 02:43 PM   #221
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Isn't religion, by extension of itself, an earmark of closeminded-ness? It tells you what is right, and what is wrong, it doesn't leave you with any choices.

(I'm just Devil's advocating here, for the record)

So does government and law.


Basically, they're all institutions to maintain consistent and ethical relationships between otherwise independent monads.

As for choices, religion may dictate what you can or can't do (some to a larger extent than others), but it still acknowledges human weakness and falterings. It then offers a route to redemption and a return to the community (this is based on the assumption that sin can be viewed as isolation not only from God/higher being, but also from your fellow man. C&P has hints of this, I think you just read it?)
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Old 01-28-2007, 02:45 PM   #222
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you need help

you peaple need help you say evolution took Gods place, you say there is no such thing as God,you guys just wait till you die and go to the judgement seat God will send you to hell. and it wont be cool.there is only one God and thats Jesus. you guys need to pray to God and ask him to forgive you now.
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Old 01-28-2007, 02:49 PM   #223
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Old 01-28-2007, 02:49 PM   #224
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you peaple need help you say evolution took Gods place, you say there is no such thing as God,you guys just wait till you die and go to the judgement seat God will send you to hell. and it wont be cool.there is only one God and thats Jesus. you guys need to pray to God and ask him to forgive you now.
Actually I dont really think anyone in this entire thread once straightforward said that god does not exist.

Iconoclast-True, I guess you could then say that religion is in fact more understanding that government. When you foul up in religion you say 2 hail marys or what have you, with the government you get thrown in jail. Or fined.
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Old 01-28-2007, 02:52 PM   #225
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you peaple need help you say evolution took Gods place, you say there is no such thing as God,you guys just wait till you die and go to the judgement seat God will send you to hell. and it wont be cool.there is only one God and thats Jesus. you guys need to pray to God and ask him to forgive you now.

A. No one here has overtly said that evolution replaced God.
B. I tend to believe in a caring God who loves His Creation. He will offer us redemption.
C. God=Jesus....and the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Holy Trinity.
D. Praying for forgiveness is good.


You are one of the reasons why people do not take religions seriously. You come into forums or to lunch tables, preaching fire and brimstone. I don't care if that's what you believe, you are free to believe such.


However, I'm fairly certain that the purpose of this thread was for intelligent debate and conversation, not merely pronunciations of doom for non-believers. Unless you can offer us reasons to accept what you say, please stop preaching. You're not helping the Christian cause any.

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Actually I dont really think anyone in this entire thread once straightforward said that god does not exist.

Iconoclast-True, I guess you could then say that religion is in fact more understanding that government. When you foul up in religion you say 2 hail marys or what have you, with the government you get thrown in jail. Or fined.
Kind of true...but religion is not merely a way to get out of jail free. It emphasizes the path to redemption and right standing in the eyes of humanity. While it may seem that saying a few prayers can absolve you, my understanding is that you truly aren't forgiven unless you truly have changed. Empty words mean nothing; it's your intentions that count.
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A. No one here has overtly said that evolution replaced God.
B. I tend to believe in a caring God who loves His Creation. He will offer us redemption.
C. God=Jesus....and the Father, and the Holy Spirit. Holy Trinity.
D. Praying for forgiveness is good.


You are one of the reasons why people do not take religions seriously. You come into forums or to lunch tables, preaching fire and brimstone. I don't care if that's what you believe, you are free to believe such.


However, I'm fairly certain that the purpose of this thread was for intelligent debate and conversation, not merely pronunciations of doom for non-believers. Unless you can offer us reasons to accept what you say, please stop preaching. You're not helping the Christian cause any.

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Kind of true...but religion is not merely a way to get out of jail free. It emphasizes the path to redemption and right standing in the eyes of humanity. While it may seem that saying a few prayers can absolve you, my understanding is that you truly aren't forgiven unless you truly have changed. Empty words mean nothing; it's your intentions that count.
he reminds me of the members of the westboro baptist church.
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Old 01-28-2007, 02:57 PM   #228
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he reminds me of the members of the westboro baptist church.

Pretty much. Or any radical evangelist who uses scare tactics to get people to convert. It's just not as genuine when a person changes out of fear.
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Yes I suppose you could argue that. But then again most things like nihilism are close minded as well. Pretty much anything ending in -ism tells you how you live your life or something. However Id rather have a nation of Catholics than Nihilists. Nihilism whether of not is true can be regarded as somewhat of a dangerous belief. When people start to believe that nothing matters and there is no way to tell between moral and amoral society can have some problems.
I'd consider myself a quasi-nihilist. That said, I don't exactly go around without morality. My morality simply constrains to a more physical social idea of morality.
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Old 01-28-2007, 04:26 PM   #230
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Kind of true...but religion is not merely a way to get out of jail free. It emphasizes the path to redemption and right standing in the eyes of humanity. While it may seem that saying a few prayers can absolve you, my understanding is that you truly aren't forgiven unless you truly have changed. Empty words mean nothing; it's your intentions that count.

Yeah I'd hope so. My belief was always that anyone can say they were sorry for their sins and say their prayers but in order to truly be redeemed in the eyes of god one must truly be repentant. Im sure god can tell between feigned repentant and true sorrow.
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Old 01-28-2007, 06:50 PM   #232
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Oh, and what the hell is a Chatholic?
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Old 01-28-2007, 07:24 PM   #233
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The Catholic sect of socially-decrepit young people?

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Old 01-28-2007, 07:31 PM   #234
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Old 01-28-2007, 08:26 PM   #235
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But its called Vatican...

Which originally was a sauce/topping originating in that area.

Which doesn't make sense, because Catholics don't eat human food.
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:48 PM   #238
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But its called Vatican...

Which originally was a sauce/topping originating in that area.

Which doesn't make sense, because Catholics don't eat human food.

Oh thats idiotic.
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Old 01-29-2007, 01:51 PM   #239
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But its called Vatican...

Which originally was a sauce/topping originating in that area.

Which doesn't make sense, because Catholics don't eat human food.
its soooo wrong but I still couldnt help loling.

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does that make me a bad person?

nah, nevermind, there are plenty of other things that make me a bad person
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its soooo wrong but I still couldnt help loling.

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Not as long as it's scientifically proven!
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