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View Poll Results: Is sniping possible?
Yes, in all cases 126 14.25%
Only in Woodsball/Scenario\'s 375 42.42%
It is possible but not effective 219 24.77%
Never 164 18.55%
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Old 05-22-2008, 01:37 PM   #281
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Protip, the USMC goes to the Army for sniper training. They're trained to shoot out to rediculous distances yes, but since the odds of a hit are much greater at close range, that's why they also teach them to close the distance if and when possible.
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Old 05-22-2008, 02:45 PM   #282
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Sorry my bad
Evil wayz is right
The SP-8 is a electro
and Mil-sim doen't have anything to do with range.
I didn't mean to put that there.
But the matter of the electric-mechanical thing in there holds true.
Shooting speed (which is the only thing electros TRUELY have over mechanicals) is not of any importance to a sniper.
And since we are playing with s, instead of high caliber streamlined bullets, true long range is not practical. This is why I emphasize concealment and skill so much. Hiding until target come within range is far more practical than from even 300m impractical
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Old 05-23-2008, 01:27 PM   #283
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Protip, the USMC goes to the Army for sniper training.

Uhmm.. No, they don't. USMC Scout/Sniper Basic Course is in Quantico, VA. Protip, it is holy writ that a PFC can't find his butt with both hands, toilet paper, a moonbeam, and GPS. You have much to learn, keep your ears open and your mouth shut, and you'll be a much better soldier. A word to the wise from your buddy, SGT. D, USMC.
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Old 05-23-2008, 02:05 PM   #284
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Getting away from the point of the thread, i happen to know quite a bit, and as a lieutenant 2 years out, i find from the words of nco's, i know too much.

Last i checked the only infantry sniper school in the country was at fort benning.
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Old 05-23-2008, 04:15 PM   #285
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Last i checked the only infantry sniper school in the country was at fort benning.
ORLY.

http://www.marines.com/page/usmc.jsp...hRedirect=true

There's one in Hawaii as well.

And again I don't know about the Army, but in the Marines they consider lieutenants to be so stupid they make them check in with the Sgt Major every day, I can only assume so he knows they didn't get lost from the BOQ to the Company area.
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Old 05-24-2008, 09:10 AM   #286
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As it states there, the 'basic' sniper course is in VA, but to my knowlege the actual Q course is on fort benning. I can't site a source at this particular moment, because the last time i had looked into it was before 9/11, so i'm running on old info anyway. So please dont take it as me arguing with you, as that's not my intent.

In the Army Lieutenants must at least hold a Bachelor's degree to commission. During ROTC or OCS, they're taught to use the senior NCO's as references and for advice when needed. Most of the LT's I've met so far have been squared away, half of them prior-enlisted.
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In the Army Lieutenants must at least hold a Bachelor's degree to commission. During ROTC or OCS, they're taught to use the senior NCO's as references and for advice when needed. Most of the LT's I've met so far have been squared away, half of them prior-enlisted.
The underlined portion of that statement is why they are squared away.


Our LT's have 4 year degrees as well. But I'd swear they all have Medal of Honor syndrome and half of them are retarded. We have a joke in the Marines that goes something like this:

Q: "What do you call a Marine with half a brain?"

A: "Sir."


I called a buddy of mine in a STA platoon out of Lejeune and he told me that Quantico is where they train the east coast Scout/Snipers and Kenohaoe Bay , Hawaii is where they train the west coast snipers. The Q course for Quantico is at the FBI academy.
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Old 06-24-2008, 06:04 PM   #288
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thats true most rec beginner players usually start out as snipers just because their afraid to get hit with the paintball but as i have learned in paintball those who move are those who win
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Old 06-26-2008, 06:00 AM   #289
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Since this thread was so lovingly raised form the dead, I figure I'll go ahead and make a point that has been bothering me...

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But the matter of the electric-mechanical thing in there holds true.
Shooting speed (which is the only thing electros TRUELY have over mechanicals) is not of any importance to a sniper.
Not true at all. With the exception of high-end mechs (cockers and mags) electros will not only be faster, but they will be quieter, more consistent, and probably more efficient. I have to laugh at the people that insist on turning their A-5s and 98Cs into 'sniper weapons', because they never seem to realize how loud they are. On any good electro, the hopper is the loudest part.
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Old 07-16-2008, 06:23 PM   #290
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Ah, I love the Marines! Up until he had to redeploy back to Iraq we had a Marine Sergeant join our group from time to time. He is a very good player.

He just couldn't understand how he kept getting sniped by an old man. Then someone told him my background and it was game on.

Of course you can play as a sniper in woodsball. Usually in my experience I will not remain in that role for the entire game, but this depends on the course layout. However, I almost always start out in that mode.

The two secrets I use; economy of motion and one shot. It is almost impossible for the human senses to determine where 1 shot has come from when concealed and there is at least a moderate distance to target.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:12 PM   #291
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in my opinion a sniper is some one who can shoot, kill, and move on to the next trget, without giving away position unless needed. To me to snipe you need to take your time, aim, concentrate on the surroundings and take in consideration of the distance you are shooting and how the wind and trees or w/e the case maybe to make that shot hit! cause God knows if you miss you might not get a second try. As in paintball I fail to see how this can be very sucsusfully acomplished; but there is a friend I play with at someones house who is called "the sniper" because he always seems to be abel to take out like 3 guys from out of no where with out being seen or heard. and most of the time unless we get close to him he never gets hit out. he dosent even wear camo. just normal cloths, but he knows where to hide and all that jazz... so thats my take on this whole subject... and just clearify, I dident read all 15 pages of posts, I read the top 5 and commented accordingly... not that I seriously think any one will pay my one comment any attention...
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Old 12-14-2008, 08:45 AM   #292
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the is no such thing as snipping.
you cant look through a scope and hit the target with one hit.
its paintball.
every shot you fire has a different fps.
it doesnt work.
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Old 12-25-2008, 06:26 PM   #293
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sniping is mainly for woods ballers camping beacuse in speed ball you dont have the time to wait for a shot
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Old 01-09-2009, 05:30 PM   #294
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  1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
  2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
this is a sniper so if you shoot from a bunker (concealed place) but if you play just in the middle of the field you aren't.

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Old 01-09-2009, 05:45 PM   #295
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i think snipers are very important the are 1 of many key elements
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Old 01-09-2009, 09:37 PM   #296
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the is no such thing as snipping.
you cant look through a scope and hit the target with one hit.
its paintball.
every shot you fire has a different fps.
it doesnt work.
Quoting Holland's Definition:
  1. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
  2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
Either you don't play woodsball often or not at all, or you're a speedball person. One hits are certainly possible, with the use of good paint and a quiet and accurate marker. The FPS factor can be virtually eliminated with a consistant gun. A pump, like a phantom, fits the description for these traits.

BTW, you wouldn't need a scope from 30yds away. A good sniper can go in, and out, without being spotted by the enemy. As long as you're getting people out without them spotting you, in all seriousness, you're a sniper.
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Old 01-09-2009, 10:22 PM   #297
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It is my belief that a sniper is someone who uses a high-precision weapon (or in this case, marker) to shoot targets at long to extreme ranges. This means that the marker in question must be designed specifically for this purpose. Anyone who uses a regular marker for long-distance shooting falls under the category of marksman.
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Old 01-10-2009, 09:24 PM   #298
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Ambushers is a better term then sniper for paintball because of the lack of range. All markers have about the same range/accuracy ratio. Not to mention in woodsball there are other factors such as thorns, bushes, branches, trees, etc that make long shots almost impossible because of the high chance of deflection. People who have the money to carry 3 or 4 tanks, 4000 paintballs, guns that can shoot over 30bps, and play as defence or support use range as a factor more then actual (long range) snipers just so they can keep somebody pinned down and scattered. In a real battle field, a sniper can keep the emeny's pinned down because of the distance between them and can't spot them. In paintball if you shoot once, most of the time, your cover is blown and you have been pinpointed. I personal walk around very slowly with a keen eye and try to stay concealed and try to ambush as much as possible, but I don't ever just stay in one spot and use range as a factor with one shot. I normaly brust fire with 3 - 5 shots when shooting.

I'll admit, when I first got into paintball, I wanted to be "a sniper" but after you play a few rounds of paintball, you'll relieze that there isnt such a thing as a sniper who "STAYS" hidden in one place and takes players out with "ONE" shot because most of the time it takes a few extra shots and being exposed of your postion and then that basicly takes out all of your "sniper" tactics and you have to switch to frontal assault tactics. So even snipers/ambushers in paintball will use more front line assault tactics then being hidden and concealed most of the time, though there are sometimes exceptions, but never always. Not enough for the term "sniper" to be used as a clear position, which is why the argument of the word "sniper" continues today.
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Old 01-26-2009, 07:59 PM   #299
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My opinion on paintball sniping is that it is possible, and like all ways of playing it has strengths, weaknesses, and a time and place.

I believe that a sniper in paintball is possible simply due to the fact that sniper methodology is more so about stealth than it is sharpshooting. The stealth tactics of military snipers are entirely possible to emulate in a woodsball or scenario game. The sharpshooting while it may not be anywhere close to what military snipers are capable of can still be done on a level more realistic to paintball. Anyone that is capable of using high minimalization while using stealth tactics to a high degree of concealment can be said to be using sniper methodology.

Where it gets complicated isn't in the stealth part, but more so the sharpshooting part. There are those who can use ghille suits with such patience and skill that they essentially have 90% of the sniper part down. And I honestly doubt that there's that many people who doubt that the stealth part is doable, particuarly in a long match in a large natural area.

Now the question of whether or not the sharpshooting part is possible and/or effective. As it has been brought up before, many military snipers operate from within the same ranges that many other soldiers do. Often times in urban warfare snipers will operate as snipers at shorter ranges than their infantry brothers and sisters do in non-urbanized terrain. While sniping is often portrayed as being all about making kills from rediculously long ranges it's not so much about the range.

What's more important than range is everything else that goes into the shot. Every sniper must ask themselves the following questions
- Is the shot the most effective use of my time (remember that preparation for a single shot can take very long periods of time)?
- Is the shot the best use of ammunition?
- Will the shot compromise my presence?
- If it compromises my presence will it compromise my location?
- If my presence and/or location is compromised will I still have an effective exit?
- Who am I shooting (as also said before a sniper is often used to take out specific targets or those of importance)?
- Will I have time for a second shot if I miss?
- What are the overall objectives and how will this shot impact those objectives?

Having a good answer to all of those questions for every shot in my opinion is crucial to being considered a sniper.
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:25 AM   #300
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24 hour scenario game maybe. I'm not going to say much right now about what I do, but I can hold a m110 right now. There's alot of things a real sniper has to do that I really don't understand why it would apply to paintball. Most of it has to be cut out because there is no time.
I guess you could say the guy is a sniper, but it would definitely not carry over to real life. I really don't see why you would take the time to do all the stuff a sniper does. I don't believe you have to deal with hypothermia, hunger, and heat exhaustion in a paintball game. I don't believe you need to use tracking and countertracking techniques. If you are dealing with that, something is wrong.
To me a sniper in paintball other than 24 hour is like a vietnam veteran having flashbacks at a birthday party and whipping out his knife diving for cover. It's like PTSD in a shopping mall. There are people who go overboard and become overzealous even in my platoon. Buying huge knives that will never be used for thier purpose. Well maybe it's just in case they expend 100s of rounds of thier ammo.
I believe it works in some instances. The snipers that don't put enough effort into becoming one, aren't very effective. The snipers that do put in all the effort, I believe should be in a 24 hour scenario game to get any sort of reward.
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