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Old 12-04-2004, 09:42 PM   #1
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air faq

this is the faq thread for air systems.

High Pressure vs. Low Pressure
Sweetspotting the Inline Regulator
CO2 vs. HPA

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Old 12-04-2004, 10:00 PM   #2
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Sweetspotting Your Inline Regulator

There are 2 major reasons why most people sweetspot their inline regulator:

1. It sets the optimum operating pressure for your cocker.
2. It is the most efficiency operating pressure for your cocker.

Essentially, when you sweetspot your inline reg, you are killing 2 birds with one stone.

How to Sweetspot
Some people sweetspot their inline differently from others, but this is the way I learned it. If you have a better way, please post!

In order to sweetspot, you will need a set of allen wrenches and most importantly a chrono. You will also need air and paint (duh) to chrono your cocker.

1. Set down your inline reg so that you can still have the cocker cycle and screw in your IVG in about 2 times. Note: It is ok if your cocker is shooting at low FPS.
2. Slowly increase the pressure in your inline in small increments. It is important that you stop and chrono your cocker each time you change the pressure.
3. With each increment, the velocity should rise and eventually plateau, then drop.
4. Once this occurs, set your regulator back a little so that it reaches that climax point again.

Note: It's ok if your cocker is running at 350psi. The whole low pressure thing is junk. Maybe you will start to "pinch" paint at lower pressures, but it is most likely not the most efficient setting. If you do not care for efficiency, by all means setup your "LP" cocker, but for those of you that do care, sweetspotting is the way to go.

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Old 12-04-2004, 10:53 PM   #3
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Co2 versus HPA: Cocker Style
The almighty question of what to put through your cocker to make it work, that all the new people ask and the simple answer is HPA is better, BUT not always nessecary. The beneifits of HPA is that it is cleaner and more consistent, and it works year round in any weather. This translates to longer cocker life and more accurate shooting (because of its consistency). CO2 however CAN be used on autocockers that are mechanical, BUT should NOT be used on ANY type of Electrical autococker. If any liquid gets in that solenoid on an E-Cocker than its gonna blow. On mechanical autocockers though it may be best to use CO2 for lack of HPA fills and the costly HPA system to begin with. Sometimes its better just to get a CO2 tank anti-syphoned and to buy a Palmers Stablizer regulator because that will make CO2 consistent. With all CO2 used on autocockers it MUST be anti-syphoned, there is no if ands or buts about this. WGP themselves specifically warns this.

Pros (HPA):
-consistency
-clean

Cons(HPA):
-expensive
-needs a tank cover which means more -money spent
-some places do not fill HPA

Pros(CO2):
-cheaper
-every place fills CO2

Cons(CO2):
-can be dirty if the fill place has stuff in the bulk tank
-palmers reg is STRONGLY suggested when using CO2 on an autococker
-weather, cold weather can mess up CO2
-not as consistent


Final Verdict:
HPA is overall better in the long run than CO2, but CO2 still can be used. HPA is recomended because if one ever upgrades their autococker to an electric type autococker the HPA is the only thing that can be used. HPA is becoming more and more readily available also, which can put the HPA lacking argument to a minute point.

Sidenote:Also get a high pressure output (800/850psi) HPA tank if you are going HPA for best efficiency. Cockers can be made to run on as little as 200 psi output, but efficiency is down the drain.

Sidenote 2: If you want to use a remote, do not anti-syphon the tank.

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Old 12-09-2004, 03:56 AM   #4
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High Pressure Vs. Low Pressure (tanks)

What is the difference?
Well, the difference is just as described. High pressure runs at high output (~800 PSI) and low pressure runs at low output (~450 PSI).

Are there advantages to each?
In terms of autococker function, not really. In almost EVERY case, you'll want to run your cocker off a high pressure tank. Every cocker comes with an inline reg, which will regulate the pressure down to a working pressure for the marker. A high pressure tank gives you a nice, high flowing reserve of air behind the reg, which will allow your reg to function at full capacity. Low pressure tanks may starve the regulator of necessary air and cause shootdown or other adverse effects.

Final Verdict
Run your cocker on a high pressure tank with a good inline regulator to prevent shootdown and velocity issues.
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Old 04-14-2005, 09:59 AM   #5
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Sidenote 2: If you want to use a remote, do not anti-syphon the tank. [/b]
What is a remote?
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:26 AM   #6
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instead of attaching yur tank to your gun u ataach a hose to your tank and then the hose attaches to your gun....so u can have the tank on a belt around you....it lightens your gun cause your tank is not screwed onto your gun
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:27 AM   #7
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One end goes to your tank, the other to your gun.

*EDIT* Ah, beat me to it. dang.
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:32 AM   #8
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YOu guys are the best, lemme tell you. I think I want one of those. But can I use compressed air in a nitro tank with my Autococker(I just said cocker, hehe)
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Old 04-14-2005, 10:40 AM   #9
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??......what are u trying to say?....can u use a remote with your hpa tank?...yeah.....but it'll get get caught on things like bushes and your own body parts
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Old 04-14-2005, 11:07 AM   #10
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nitro and hpa use the same tanks...yes u can
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Old 04-15-2005, 11:57 AM   #11
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hey guys... i have a mini orracle(in my profile) and i was wondering if i should get low pressure or high... the guy at www.sakworldpaintball.com has owned a cocker for 10 yrs and he said it would be best if i ordered a low pressure because there is less stress on the balls... and i was also wondering if i could get more shots off it... and i have the stock BM reg and i was wondering if that could handle the lp or should i get a cp shorty reg?? i really need this answer quick so any help would be awesome!!! thanks
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:01 PM   #12
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From what I have gathered if you have a auto-cocker you should use highpressure tank with a regulator. Crossfire seems to work very good.

hope that helps


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hey guys... i have a mini orracle(in my profile) and i was wondering if i should get low pressure or high... the guy at www.sakworldpaintball.com has owned a cocker for 10 yrs and he said it would be best if i ordered a low pressure because there is less stress on the balls... and i was also wondering if i could get more shots off it... and i have the stock BM reg and i was wondering if that could handle the lp or should i get a cp shorty reg?? i really need this answer quick so any help would be awesome!!! thanks
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Old 04-15-2005, 12:03 PM   #13
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don't get an lp tank...you'll starve your marker.......get a high pressure tank........that 10 year cocker owner guy doessent know what hes tlaking about.......the bm reg will work fine
although the cp is one of the best regs out there
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Old 04-22-2005, 01:34 PM   #14
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What dose IVG mean?
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Old 04-22-2005, 01:36 PM   #15
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Old 04-22-2005, 02:47 PM   #16
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actually i think its internal velocity governer
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Old 04-22-2005, 07:04 PM   #17
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Can you guys tell me how many shots an E-class Orracle will get off of a 47/3000 steel tank? Thanks!
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Old 04-22-2005, 09:33 PM   #18
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i donno for sure but prob 500-600.....same as a 9oz co2 tank
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Old 04-23-2005, 05:07 AM   #19
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Hekrill, if you're going to buy that steel tank, let me warn you. It's very heavy. And if you think you don't care, well then let's tell you about this. If you're paying 80 for that 47/3k, FirstCallPaintball.com offers a 72/3k tank for the same price, made by PMI. All tanks from there come with a free fill nipple cap and dust cover. Shipping is free over 50 bucks, but they charge you 6 dollars Handling on all orders. 86 bucks is not a bad deal, but they're heavy now.
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Old 04-23-2005, 06:18 AM   #20
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Alright, because my team mate just now purchased an E-Orracle, which is cool, but there's also a not so cool part: He doesn't have a lot of money left for a tank! Only 80-90 bucks at the most. I found him a PMI 72 (same one that you're talking about) for seventy-two dollars, he might just pick it up, or at least for now...
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