BKO or B2K

Mario72 · 12-27-2004, 07:37 AM

im looking into purchasing either one of these very soon.Need people's help on choosing.

nirvana1234 · 12-27-2004, 09:24 AM

b2k...

shootstuff · 12-27-2004, 02:11 PM

for 300 bko and save up for some upps, but if you can get a b2k

CoolT · 12-27-2004, 04:29 PM

B2k $$ > BKO $

Simply as that. The B2k is a much better choice imo but it also costs more. If you can get the extra $, it's well worth it.

Samrog777 · 12-27-2004, 06:24 PM

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Originally posted by CoolT
B2k $$ > BKO $

Simply as that. The B2k is a much better choice imo but it also costs more. If you can get the extra $, it's well worth it.

slipknoTikp8bal · 01-01-2005, 06:50 AM

I say BKO... it is a great gun, w/ some ups its a B2k..

BKO=300
PDS from ICD= 120
maybe some other ups and ur at a B2k and look how much you have learned in the process.

TheUsualSuspect · 01-02-2005, 08:06 PM

Uh, 2-way solenoid anyone?.. The B2K was designed to be a higher end marker with better quality parts. I don't think the marker they designed to be low end would surpass it in performance. I don't know about you guys but last time I checked mid range electro pnuematics were better then low range... A BKO being better then a B2K defeats the purpose of even producing the gun in the first place.

CoolT · 01-02-2005, 11:36 PM

A 2 way will never beat a 4 way (no pun intended).

chris220 · 01-03-2005, 05:54 AM

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Originally posted by slipknoTikp8bal
I say BKO... it is a great gun, w/ some ups its a B2k..

BKO=300
PDS from ICD= 120
maybe some other ups and ur at a B2k and look how much you have learned in the process.

Um, they are made by the same company, and the B2k is the next step up from the bko. 4 way >> 2 way any day of the week.

Get the b2k

mushroom folks · 01-03-2005, 05:35 PM

whats wrong with a 2way solenoid... whats that mean anyway?

chinesebugrepel · 01-03-2005, 08:55 PM

It uses spring return instead of air. Ends up making the marker very inefficient, high pressure, and increases kick mildly. Also, without expensive pneumatic ups you will never get a bko to cycle above 18bps.

TheUsualSuspect · 01-04-2005, 02:23 AM

!8? I though it was 15... But still having any cap lower then 30 is annoying if you want to try out bounce settings.

redbarton · 01-04-2005, 05:34 AM

An upped BKO will only come close to what a stock B2K can do. By the time you put all that money in it, you should have just bought the B2K. I've been both routes. The B2K is just higher performance and easier to use/setup/maintain.

G_unit_gangsta · 01-11-2005, 07:30 PM

The BKO is trash, the B2k is a whole different story.

lotus_esprit5 · 01-13-2005, 04:07 PM

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It uses spring return instead of air. Ends up making the marker very inefficient, high pressure, and increases kick mildly. Also, without expensive pneumatic ups you will never get a bko to cycle above 18bps.

the vast majority of this is flat-out wrong. It is true that the 2-way noid only pushes the ram foward, and then the ram is recocked by a spring (as opposed to being recocked by air, as in the B2K). However, this really has no effect on efficiency (in fact the BKO noid uses less air than the B2K noid because it only has to push the ram in one direction. this isnt a noticeable difference between the 2 guns though, since noids dont use very much air in the first place).

High pressure? The BKO runs at about 260psi, the same pressure as the B2K. I wouldnt call 260psi high pressure. In fact, the 02 and 03 BKO's ran at 225psi out of the box. They have roughly the same LPR pressure as a B2K as well.

Also, most BKO's can cycle slightly above 18cps, they are just advertised as maxing out at 18cps. ppl have been able to get them up to 20 or 21cps with full cycles. solenoid performance can vary from noid to noid, and the minimum limit that one of the BKO noids is allowed to cycle and still pass quality control or whatever is 18cps, so thats what they advertise.

If you want a BKO to cycle as fast as a B2K "expensive pneumatic ups" will not do the trick. The only way to do this is to install a 4-way solenoid. www.shootpaint.com currently has a conversion kit in the works. You cannot up a BKO to be the same level as a B2K unless you put a 4-way noid in it, since that is the only major difference between the two guns.

Both the B2K and BKO are great guns for their prices. But if you have the extra money, the B2K is worth it.

ikey · 01-13-2005, 05:59 PM

BKO? i mean it good for 280 or whatever they are but a spring returned ram? that is completely inferior in todays high end guns. can beat the B2k, which is a TRUE electro. all air, no stupid springs. a BKO is mnea to be lower end, so this poll is kinda stupid because the answer is obvious. BKO is mnea to be lower end, so that mneas B2k is higher end.

chinesebugrepel · 01-13-2005, 07:08 PM

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Originally posted by lotus_esprit5
However, this really has no effect on efficiency (in fact the BKO noid uses less air than the B2K noid because it only has to push the ram in one direction. this isnt a noticeable difference between the 2 guns though, since noids dont use very much air in the first place).

ICD can say this all they want, it won't ever be true. It requires more air to overpower the tension in the spring than to recock in the b2k. It's not a huge difference, a hundred shots or more depending on the size of your tank, but that's the stock difference. Upgrading and increasing efficiency/decreasing pressure is easier on the b2k, and unless you put in a 4way the bko can't be made much more efficient/low pressure.

Personally I don't consider 260 low pressure when there's guns that run under 100 now, so niether the b2k or bko is better than a medium pressure range. BTW, a lot of problems people had with 03 and 02 bko's were due to inexperienced users not adjusting the out-of-the box pressure.

CoolT · 01-13-2005, 07:15 PM

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Originally posted by chinesebugrepel
Upgrading and increasing efficiency/decreasing pressure is easier on the b2k, and unless you put in a 4way the bko can't be made much more efficient/low pressure.

High flow valve and Mighty Max.

asi616 · 01-14-2005, 06:50 PM

i would get nether i had a bko and it sucked so bad i had to sent it back two time and each time i sent it it took three mounths to get back to me. my syder e99 was better. if i were you id do the smart thing and save your money for a high end torney gun like a timmy or an angel both awsome i my self have a system x nme and its INSANE

lotus_esprit5 · 01-15-2005, 12:34 PM

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It requires more air to overpower the tension in the spring than to recock in the b2k.

take a ram gauge and meaure the pressures of a stock BKO and a stock B2K, trust me, they'll be almost the same. if what you're saying is true, then the LPR pressure of a BKO would have to be twice the LPR pressure of a B2K, which is impossible because the solenoid would start leaking way before you got your LPR up to 180psi.

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Upgrading and increasing efficiency/decreasing pressure is easier on the b2k, and unless you put in a 4way the bko can't be made much more efficient/low pressure.

So a new inline, LPR and valve wont make it more efficient or low pressure?

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Personally I don't consider 260 low pressure when there's guns that run under 100 now

name a gun that runs below 100psi on their inline straight out of the box. MAYBE a Viking with dual volumizers, but thats really stretching it. Note, I'm not talking about ram pressure (its 90psi on Bushies and BKOs).