Official Sniping Thread.

[Ravenous26]

I have always wanted to post this, but Haven't because these threads always always get closed, but being in the Military and having a few Real life sniper friends, A ex-USMC Sniper is sitting next to me as I type this. So let me say this

SNIPERS are not all about one shot one kill, while it is important, that does NOT make a sniper.

Real Snipers first and formost are to blend into there surronding and RECON. Paitence and Concealment to gather information and feed that information to the Commanders. Inturn commanders won't lead their force into a suicide mission and end up having the upper hand by knowing the enemies movements. Snipers are Scouts always first and formost.

Take real life for instance, working with law enforcement now that I am out of the Army. Swat Snipers never ever take shots unless Crap is hitting the Fan. They gather information and feed it to the rest of the team and provide cover from a concealed place.

These things being said can all be held true in paintball. And while taking the long shot is essential for the real life sniper, that is not the case in paintball as we all know. However IF those other prior things are taken into consideration. The need to gather intel and communicate that back, Stay hidden and be patinet. Be smart enough to know when NOT to pull the trigger, TO set up an ambush and exicute and repostion to cause chaos if needed, or to be able to get behind an ememy base and take the for sure end all shots to an officer and be able to get out of there, keeping in mind that even in real life situations the closer the shot the better. That my friends is a true and blue sniper.


Edit
Anyone can sit in camo and wait and shoot from a concealed location. They are called Hunters. Ever go Duck or Goose hunting?
Sure you can shoot far or always hit persons in the googles, then you are a marksman.
If you are a lonewolf, you are NOT a sniper. True snipers should work in "2" man cells, but they should be always Linked to a bigger force leading the way or moving to help "Flank" from a concealed location when their force meets resistance.
SNIPING IS NOT ABOUT KILLS or taking out a whole squad, That my friends is a "Rambo"
. You must be a team player, keyword on a team. They must be strategic, stealthy and communicate, know how to follow orders and when to and NOT to pull a trigger.

I will be glad to give examples on that if you want.

[Atomsk]

well-said, though I must ask, doesn't every paintball player do that? I mean I don't consider myself a paintball sniper due to my style of using shock and awe with lots of fire-power. However I do relay intel back to my team, That seems more like a special forces player to me.

[Ravenous26]

Originally Posted by Atomsk

well-said, though I must ask, doesn't every paintball player do that? I mean I don't consider myself a paintball sniper due to my style of using shock and awe with lots of fire-power. However I do relay intel back to my team, That seems more like a special forces player to me.

T
o be honest no. Most of the so called snipers I see at Big games, run around in "Purchased" Ghillie Suits I would not pick up dog crap out of a yard in. A Ghillie suit should be home made. Also like I said, They run out, Hide and see how many kills they rack up, Hence, Hunter/Marksman. A Sniper is like a Medic in the sence that it is a SUPPORT class. A medic heals, a Sniper gets out, and dirty and gathers intel,

(IE) how many of the other team are moving out the right side and what exact location's, does he see an ambush forming at bunkers, does he have "orders" to slip around the back of the base and watch and see what the defence is doing, Then getting on a radio or meeting up a force that is a way's behind him to tell them this information. Then wait and watch to reinforce/flank with the main unit.

Say prehaps that they did an overload strong offence and took out most of your sides units on your main attack force and they were doing a fighting retreat back to the base. However they have noone back on defense, but all of your team is now defending. That is a perfect time to (Not set up an ambush at the enemy base and wait for the the flag carrier, (unless the sniper is working in a 2 man cell, but still a weak idea) But prehaps snag the flag (without killing thier defece unless one is an officer, A true sniper can stalk in grab the flag and get out unseen) and and sneak back (asking your team via comms what side is not getting attacked the stronged. Then sneak to a weak side flank thier attacking force from an angle( while coordinating with your teams defense) in attempts to weakin one side and sneak in for the win.

Snipers should not have 40 kills in a match, or be lone wolfs. Those are "Rambo's"

I can give so many other types of examples, but I am late for work and I am sure many will not agree with me.

Again.
Staying Stealthed,
Gathering Intel,
Having the brains when Not to snoot and let them pass and wait for them to run into your own force and from there flank their rear, or even radio your team and let them know so they can bunker down or ambush them,
Being able to get in close enough to an enemy base to make that FOR SURE no mistakes due to movement or wind of brush shot to an officer without being seen.
Teamwork and Support, always be on Comms with the main team.
Working in at least a 2 man cell
(home made from scratch Ghillies lol)
These things are a true sniper

[Shadow Nugz]

This should help everyone.
Directly from Dictionary.com

Definition of:
Marksman-
1. a person who is skilled at shooting at a mark,a person who shoots well
2.Military
-a.the lowest rating in rifle marksmanship below of that of sharpshooter and expert
-b.a person who has achieved such a rating

Snipe-
3.a shot, usually from a hidden position
4. to shoot or hunt
5.to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position
1. a skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place (American Heritage Definition)
2.one who shoots at other people from a concealed space (American Heritage Definition)

The highlighted areas proves Nuclee is in fact a sniper and a marksman. You cannot argue with that. Thats a direct interpretation from the dictionary (was about to say bible lol).

[Evil_Wayz]

Originally Posted by Shadow Nugz

T
Snipe-
3.a shot, usually from a hidden position
4. to shoot or hunt
5.to shoot at individuals as opportunity offers from a concealed or distant position
1. a skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place (American Heritage Definition)
2.one who shoots at other people from a concealed space (American Heritage Definition)

The highlighted areas proves Nuclee is in fact a sniper and a marksman. You cannot argue with that. Thats a direct interpretation from the dictionary (was about to say bible lol).

I can argue bout anything. A paintballer isn't military, and isn't distant.

Also that is the definition of the verb "snipe" not the noun "sniper."

And "one who snipes" ain't gonna cut it with me.

[Andrei_Shubin]

I made a theard on this and it got closed. Also I vote you can but it isent effective... And it takes away the fun of pb just sitting there and aiming.

[Ravenous26]

I just wanted to post my thoughts and the thoughts of my USMC sniper friend. On what constitutes a sniper, and while paintball is not real military. However the things I spoke of are what real snipers do.

[TheGoldenFlash]

There are many ways to look at this, but in the end both of the main sides are partially correct.

The definition of a sniper is always used in these arguments, but in the end its just a term of endearment. I mean does it really bother you that much if a kid calls himself a sniper, and to the other side, do you really have to announce it? If you want to be a sniper, by all means be one, if it makes you happy. In the same respect, if someone says you can't be realize they have a right to there opinion.

I guess what I'm saying is both sides are right and wrong. Personally I don't care if a kid calls himself a paintball polar bear as long as he's having fun with it.

[pope120]

it shouldnt bother anyone if some kid YOU DONT KNOW calls himself a sniper it doesnt really matter... but you do have to admit this is a great thread GOOD JOB Sheps !!!!!

[FriendlyFirepb]

I have found a great sniping website that ithink not only snipers should look at.

http://sniperschool.wetpaint.com


Its wicked ausome!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Ravenous26

I have always wanted to post this, but Haven't because these threads always always get closed, but being in the Military and having a few Real life sniper friends, A ex-USMC Sniper is sitting next to me as I type this. So let me say this

SNIPERS are not all about one shot one kill, while it is important, that does NOT make a sniper.

Real Snipers first and formost are to blend into there surronding and RECON. Paitence and Concealment to gather information and feed that information to the Commanders. Inturn commanders won't lead their force into a suicide mission and end up having the upper hand by knowing the enemies movements. Snipers are Scouts always first and formost.

Take real life for instance, working with law enforcement now that I am out of the Army. Swat Snipers never ever take shots unless Crap is hitting the Fan. They gather information and feed it to the rest of the team and provide cover from a concealed place.

These things being said can all be held true in paintball. And while taking the long shot is essential for the real life sniper, that is not the case in paintball as we all know. However IF those other prior things are taken into consideration. The need to gather intel and communicate that back, Stay hidden and be patinet. Be smart enough to know when NOT to pull the trigger, TO set up an ambush and exicute and repostion to cause chaos if needed, or to be able to get behind an ememy base and take the for sure end all shots to an officer and be able to get out of there, keeping in mind that even in real life situations the closer the shot the better. That my friends is a true and blue sniper.


Edit
Anyone can sit in camo and wait and shoot from a concealed location. They are called Hunters. Ever go Duck or Goose hunting?
Sure you can shoot far or always hit persons in the googles, then you are a marksman.
If you are a lonewolf, you are NOT a sniper. True snipers should work in "2" man cells, but they should be always Linked to a bigger force leading the way or moving to help "Flank" from a concealed location when their force meets resistance.
SNIPING IS NOT ABOUT KILLS or taking out a whole squad, That my friends is a "Rambo"
. You must be a team player, keyword on a team. They must be strategic, stealthy and communicate, know how to follow orders and when to and NOT to pull a trigger.

I will be glad to give examples on that if you want.

I agree to that!

[mjr_paranoid]

Originally Posted by FriendlyFirepb

I have found a great sniping website that ithink not only snipers should look at.

http://sniperschool.wetpaint.com


Its wicked ausome!!!!!!



I agree to that!

Looked at the site. Noobish foolishness.
The top three guns are a q-bow mag, then a spyder, then a tip 98 with like 30 inch barrel.
ROFL!! I would give you a pity cookie, but I am fresh out.

[Atomsk]

rofl, dude call it what u want, but those are very bad ideas lol. MJR is right.

[Infiltrator]

Ah yes. Snipers are the people that locate the enemy so we can blow them up with the mortars. My best shot was dead center of a target using iron sights at 600 yards with an m4.
Whereas in a rifle you must relax all your muscles by getting in a good supported position, steady breathing, and trigger squeeze; paintball you just utilize adrenaline point and shoot. I don't think you have to worry too much about what must be done to steady aim because there is almost no recoil effecting the trajectory of the paintball, the trigger is just like clicking a mouse, and the marker is much lighter than a rifle (with the exception of milsim markers).It's harder to hide a milsim marker if you are going to go through the trouble of finding a spot that is highly traveled. And the most highly traveled place is at the 50.

Suppose you do use all those methods, the paintball will still be as accurate not using them because the paintball only goes 150 feet. You can't use a sight because you wll be pointing your marker straight up in the air at that distance. Most people trying to be a sniper in paintball never shot a rifle or don't understand the concept of how snipers shoot thier rifles in war. Not how snipers snipe. The methods of shooting a rifle and shooting a paintball marker are totally different. I wouldn't want to use sniper methods for shooting a marker because it takes way too much time in a sport where a few seconds can make a big difference. If you get somewhere in combat arms, maybe you'll understand the concepts a little better.

Until then there will always be the "Oh wait, I hide alot from the action so I must be a sniper!" And the, "Snipers lie and wait just like me in paintball so I am the ultimate super l33t sniper assassin."

A friend I had one say told me to stop chasing my opponent through the woods, took up this sloppy position, and nailed the guy in the back of the head with his phantom pointing straight up in the air John Wayne style.

[TheGoldenFlash]

Eh, always with the technical stuff.. You're absolutely right, a paintball will never go that far, nor will a scope be effective when shooting at the maximum range because as you said you have to arc your shots. However I still do beleive that a Sniper could exist, why?

I usually don't get technical because we are talking paintball here, in the end we are all just a bunch of guys/gals who like running around shooting each other with little paint filled spheres. However when you think about it, if you told someone you were an accurate paintball propeller, you'd be right, but wheres the fun in that. Its like if I called the speedball bunkers geometric balloons I'd be right, but it would probably annoy them to no end.

In the end all paintball markers have about the same range, accuracy, and arguably consistancy. However this is where the human element shines, because unlike machines people aren't equally skilled. I've seen players that can hit targets at 300+ feet within five shots, and on the other side of the spectrum I've seen players who couldn't hit a still target from less than 20 feet.

However I don't beleive being accurate at long range is the only thing close to being a sniper. I think some of the best snipers are people who can hit people from less than 40 feet away and be undetected.

Its ultimately up to each and every one of you to decide if it makes it more or less fun to play a role. I think my brother is as close to being a sniper in paintball as it gets, and I like the role of squad captain, it adds fun to our game. So be rambo, or paintball dude, or whatever, just enjoy yourself.

[PoetVice]

"A sniper is an infantry soldier who specializes in shooting from a concealed position over longer ranges than regular infantry, often with a specially designed or adapted sniper rifle. It requires skill in marksmanship, camouflage and field craft." - wikipedia

Now as others have said before on other inquiries on this matter..."Ambush Specialist" is a more appropriate term.

I do agree with some of the stuff said. Snipers don't need silencers. Look at the Barrett. 50 Cal round, muzzle break, loud as hell, 2 mile effective range. I like to think of it as more of a portable tank barrel.

"Anyone can sit in camo and wait and shoot from a concealed location. They are called Hunters. Ever go Duck or Goose hunting?
Sure you can shoot far or always hit persons in the googles, then you are a marksman.
If you are a lonewolf, you are NOT a sniper. True snipers should work in "2" man cells, but they should be always Linked to a bigger force leading the way or moving to help "Flank" from a concealed location when their force meets resistance.
SNIPING IS NOT ABOUT KILLS or taking out a whole squad, That my friends is a "Rambo"
. You must be a team player, keyword on a team. They must be strategic, stealthy and communicate, know how to follow orders and when to and NOT to pull a trigger."

I whole heartedly agree.

[20 yr old Faust]

I agree with Ravenous26.

[Atomsk]

True, but a Sniper could be better off eliminating entire squads if possible. I mean I'd rather have my player take out an entire squad by himself then tell me where it is and watch it. Of course there are situations where this isn't possible, but they can still make the other team panic and keep there heads down which could slow an entire platoon for several minutes. As a captain I'd take that over recon any day of the week, and heck they can still tell you things while they are doing it.

[cerberus729]

I have had some scary-*** paintball friends. Most of them were snipers, but always at ranges under 90 feet. We played in a long, narrow gully with tall brush down each side and a road through the center. The field was silent until the first shot was fired, then there would be about ten seconds of intense fire, then silence again. I tended to snipe at about 30 feet, from behind my target. The essence of a sniper's art is silence in movement, not allowing his position to be detected, and stopping the enemy where necessary. Stopping the enemy everywhere as a sniper gets you shot. Stopping the enemy on your own ground wins the game. One guy had a little pocket that he controlled exclusively. He ranged in every spot that was viable from his hide, then waited patiently like a trapdoor spider (He was colorblind, too, which helped).

Remember the snipers at Stalingrad. True, they were operating weapons with an effective range of about 400-550 meters, to kill. But their techniques are applicable. One guy had a personal trench network, with little white flags and helmets on sticks that he could agitate at a distance. When he saw a kraut helmet stick up out of the rubble and heard the German call for surrender. That was when he fired.

And I agree that a sniper's first job is surveillance and reporting enemy movement. Intelligence is key, and don't anybody dare try to say it isn't. With a radio and a decent position, a sniper could warn of enemy movement and thwart it long before it materializes into something meaningful.

[TheGoldenFlash]

Well put Cerberus, but I still say eliminating the threat if possible comes before reconnaisance. I mean sure its fine and good to know where the enemy is, but its far nicer to see a squad of eight guys walking to the dead box, or stopped in there tracks with there heads down for several minutes. I mean think about it stopping a small batallion from getting to there destination is much more preferable than letting them get to the position and knowing there coming. I'd say a healthy 60/40 ratio would be an ideal for a paintball sniper. 60 percent of your objective is to eliminate the threat yourself or at least stop the enemy from getting anywhere important, and 40 percent telling your teammates where your engaging them and where they will go if the sniper is eliminated.

In real war this is idiotic because it's to high risk, but in paintball when in a sniper is eliminated he's going to come back and respawn eventually.

[cerberus729]

Very true, it is preferable to see more enemy troops be stopped before they are a threat of any size, but I think it is far more entertaining to see a decent-sized mass of enemy troops get cut to pieces like so much pork. I figure a good sniper could set up an ambush like that. All it takes are a couple guys to act as bait to make the enemy go into the trap. See?

But, I will not argue with your point about less troops to deal with at the actual front. I agree with you too much.