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View Poll Results: Is sniping possible?
Yes, in all cases 126 14.25%
Only in Woodsball/Scenario\'s 375 42.42%
It is possible but not effective 219 24.77%
Never 164 18.55%
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Old 01-22-2008, 02:51 AM   #261
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I have always wanted to post this, but Haven't because these threads always always get closed, but being in the Military and having a few Real life sniper friends, A ex-USMC Sniper is sitting next to me as I type this. So let me say this

SNIPERS are not all about one shot one kill, while it is important, that does NOT make a sniper.

Real Snipers first and formost are to blend into there surronding and RECON. Paitence and Concealment to gather information and feed that information to the Commanders. Inturn commanders won't lead their force into a suicide mission and end up having the upper hand by knowing the enemies movements. Snipers are Scouts always first and formost.

Take real life for instance, working with law enforcement now that I am out of the Army. Swat Snipers never ever take shots unless Crap is hitting the Fan. They gather information and feed it to the rest of the team and provide cover from a concealed place.

These things being said can all be held true in paintball. And while taking the long shot is essential for the real life sniper, that is not the case in paintball as we all know. However IF those other prior things are taken into consideration. The need to gather intel and communicate that back, Stay hidden and be patinet. Be smart enough to know when NOT to pull the trigger, TO set up an ambush and exicute and repostion to cause chaos if needed, or to be able to get behind an ememy base and take the for sure end all shots to an officer and be able to get out of there, keeping in mind that even in real life situations the closer the shot the better. That my friends is a true and blue sniper.


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Anyone can sit in camo and wait and shoot from a concealed location. They are called Hunters. Ever go Duck or Goose hunting?
Sure you can shoot far or always hit persons in the googles, then you are a marksman.
If you are a lonewolf, you are NOT a sniper. True snipers should work in "2" man cells, but they should be always Linked to a bigger force leading the way or moving to help "Flank" from a concealed location when their force meets resistance.
SNIPING IS NOT ABOUT KILLS or taking out a whole squad, That my friends is a "Rambo"
. You must be a team player, keyword on a team. They must be strategic, stealthy and communicate, know how to follow orders and when to and NOT to pull a trigger.

I will be glad to give examples on that if you want.
This guy hit it dead on. End of discussion. This topic should be closed.
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:02 PM   #262
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To me snipers arent suppose to just shoot you from along distance. Snipers are made to be invisiable and shoot you without knowing were you got shot from. Thats my definition of a sniper in paintballing. Sniping in real life know that is different.
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Old 01-25-2008, 11:24 PM   #263
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This guy hit it dead on. End of discussion. This topic should be closed.
Yea.. we should close a thread with a poll because someone makes a good point.
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Old 01-26-2008, 09:27 AM   #264
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Their is a video on YouTube called ha paintball snipers??? its made by Tyger and he explains that their is no sniping in paintball.

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Old 01-26-2008, 10:51 PM   #265
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yeah ur right there isn't sniping in paintball, however why do you care so much? After all even though there isn't sniping there is a playing style that is similar to it. Also if your going to whine about what people call themselves then be that way about everything and see how much people enjoy spending time with you.

Think about it, basically your just trying to but technicalities into why people can't do things are you not. well in that case I could argue nothing is actually what it's called for various reasons. we use terms to or words to catergorize things we experience. Some of these things have other things that are very similar to eachother and though not identical and in some cases not even close some terms or words are more conveniant than others.

What I'm saying is its much easier to say sniper than tactical marksmen or accurate player when describing a players actions. Personally I don't care whether or not you take anything from this but if it's any consequence I hope you will learn at least this much. As long as a verbal utterance is comprehended by a majority that is what people will use as spoken word or language. Think about it..
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Old 02-18-2008, 10:17 PM   #266
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I put that only in woodsball/scenario only because the sniper or ambusher (for those that don't like the term) would have to be disguised as one of those inflatables in speedball to even be one. Hehe.

Also, speedball is about "run and gun" more than highly planned strategy. It's a quick game of air hockey compared to a month-long game of chess. In fact, you could say that speedball is only like the "fire-fight" portion of a woodsball/scenario game whereas you will have all kinds of support positions woodsball/scenario that may never fire a single shot.

At any rate I truly enjoy the sniper/ambusher role. I don't do it to be cool or untouchable. I do it because I enjoy the mind game of it... and I want to save money on paint! HEhehe! My last game I took out three in a row because of my low, slow, flanking. I had no camo, and I used a loud Fenix. Patience is key, it's more the mind of the players and less the equipment they are using. Here on out I am wearing the new tiger-stripe camo and using a Tippmann Custom Pro with compressed air as I play in the sub-tropics. (A little camo never hurt, and my play style and environment get's me a little damp more often than not.)
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Old 03-13-2008, 07:31 PM   #267
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I agree totally with the golden flash.. sniping is more or less a word people use in paintball for that person who flanked our whole squad and lit us up as we retreated or the guy who lead us into an ambush or the [add your secnario here] i like to refer to my self as a pesudochameleon paintball ninja.. you guys can call me a sniper if ya want, Peace!
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Old 03-21-2008, 12:56 AM   #268
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I'm a sniper in woodsball and i do all of the sniper jobs that can be useful in paintball including scout but i cant take the bs of most guys sayn that paintball snipers dont exist

this is the info i found on marksmen and snipers

"A SDM/DM should not be confused with a sniper. United States marksmen rarely operate individually. Snipers are often deployed for specific objectives in teams consisting of snipers and observers. The marksman, however, operates as a regular member within a unit where his skills are called upon whenever the need for accurate shooting arises in the normal course of operations. While snipers are intensively trained to master fieldcraft and camouflage, these skills are not required for marksmen. There are differences in role and training that affect doctrines and equipment. Snipers rely almost exclusively on more accurate but slower-firing bolt-action rifles, such as the M24, while a marksman can effectively use a faster-firing, but less accurate semi-automatic rifle, such as the M14. A sniper's intensive training, forward placement and surveillance duties make their role more strategic than that of a squad-level marksman. Thus, marksmen are often attached at the squad level while snipers are often attached at higher levels such as battalion (cf.: designated marksman)."

while a sniper

"A sniper is an infantry soldier or other serviceman (e.g. police officer) who specializes in shooting from a concealed position over longer ranges than regular infantry, often with a specially designed or adapted sniper rifle. A sniper requires skill in marksmanship, camouflage, and field craft.
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Military SniperUnitAlone or teams of two to threeTheatreMilitary conflict / theatre of warRole
  • Reconnaissance/observation,
  • suppression of movement,
  • damage command and control
  • forward air control
Durationmore than a weekTargets
  • variable/mission dependant
  • military personnel
  • military materiel
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  • Capture
  • snipers
  • counter-sniper tactics
Camouflageextensive
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:03 AM   #269
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Hello all. I have just read this entire thread. I know a lot of people are going to knock me, but something everyone has overlooked is that most....note that i said most,(something i noticed throughout the thread is that small discrepancies are hunted out and found, so ill try and be careful!) people play paintball as a form of escapism. Meaning that they are trying to duplicate hollywoods portrayal of a certain character. In this case the sniper. As we all have see the dozens of "sniper" movies throughout the years, i think we can all agree that you could get any real sniper to give away his position just by playing one of these movies and following the sounds of his laughter. Now, i understand that the majority of people posting on this thread are serious players just by their knowledge of the topic at hand. I totally respect that being a player with over 15 years experience myself. Now this is only my opinion, but in my years of paintball(and airsoft) ive seen many players that fill the role of the "sniper". Most of them, note again i said most, have based their role off of a romanticized movie(s) they have seen or videogames theyve played. Some probably couldnt even give you a definition of a sniper. But the hollywood version looks really cool, and its possible to attain this status, even if its only a temporary visual status for a few hours on a weekend. I look at a guy on the field and he s wearing a ghullie suit and has a decked out tippman with a 20 inch barrel im calling him a sniper. In the alternate reality he has created for himself(noob or not) he is a sniper for the day.
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Old 03-25-2008, 05:05 AM   #270
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Movies aren't the only culprit. Look at video games, like Ghost Recon, Counter Strike, and the like. They all have 'sniper rifles' in them, which are powerful, one shot/one kill rifles. The video games rarely take advantage of range or require scouting, so the sniper role is boiled down to the aspect of the gun.
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Personally i think its possible during woodsball games but probably for the most part almost impossible during speedball games (15 balls every second flying everwhere....yah) I think it is possible but because paintballs are not shaped like a modernized bullet and because of its materials there is no way you are going to successfully snipe day in and day out. If paintballs were perfect in design and quality (Even Marballizer and Evil and all those other high quality paintballs could never reach perfection) you would probably have a good chance sniping people but in the retrospect of not shooting someone from like 1600 yds or so. Because paintball is a gelitan shell with paint swirling inside of it there is not a doubt in my mind that you could never snipe in paintball. But because in woodsball you are usually concealed from every oppenent and you are aiming for accuracy not speed there might be somewhat close to sniping. I am a firm believer that sniping is about shooting from a concealed position. If your talking about hitting people from across the field everytime at around the maximum range your marker will allow without the paintball swirving during flight, ill pay to see that in a real game.
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Old 05-06-2008, 07:36 PM   #272
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A little of old man Webster for you definition-Sniper-shoot from a concealed position. Isn't that what we all basically do.
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is there any alternatives to the ghillie im tired of the heat would basic woodland us bdus work?
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Old 05-15-2008, 02:30 PM   #274
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is there any alternatives to the ghillie im tired of the heat would basic woodland us bdus work?
Marpat, and choosing your place of concealment.
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Old 05-18-2008, 05:45 PM   #275
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i regulary use a us woodland bdu set
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For guys that want a camo edge without ghuilli, try one of the new digital camo systems.

The Army, Air Force and Marine Corp all have digital camo now, and they ALL WORK REALLY WELL. Just last month at my guard unit's FTX, as i was taking a head count during land-nav, i completely missed one of the privates just 30 feet away, sitting still in a shady spot. He wasen't ducking or behind anything, in plain view. They say the digicamo breaks up your outline, and now i can say from experience, they weren't lying.


It's been like years since i last visited this thread, but just thought i'd pitch in the good word about the new camo systems.
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Old 05-21-2008, 01:45 PM   #277
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Sniping in paintball

Sniping in Paintball is not only possible in paintball, but very effective if done by a person with adequate experience.
In order to be an effective sniper one needs
  • A marker with average to exceptional range. A snipers mission is to take out targets with a singe shot. Needless to say and electric wont do. Markers like the Tiberius T9, spyder MR-1,2,3, an Ariakon, Bt-4 (not the ERC) or smart parts SP-8 are great because thay are have that familiar mil-sim look, are mechcanical, and have excellant range.
  • Concealment- this doesnt mean you need to go out and get a ghillie suit. This simlpy means find unconventional ways of hiding yourself. In scenario games featuring buildings, out of windows will be expected and will not yeild results. The Focus is on NOT BEING SEEN. Hiding in high traffic areas were opponents are ikely to come is a great strategy. Dont move unless you have to (i.e your position has been compromised, you marked a target and have to move). If targets have not come calm down. They will come. See below.
  • Skill- this takes time and patience. Having a red dot sight or scope will not make this go any faster. The best way to train is in real life games. Use a small hopper (a 50 round hopper will do). This will take your focus off simply poping the guy, and shift it toward making every shot count.
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An electric won't do...? ORLY. Why is that? I guarantee a good EP is just as good as a mech when it comes to one ball hits.

ANd btw, the sp-8 you just mentioned is an Electro-Pneumatic marker, not a mechanical. /Fail.

And D00d. What in the sam hill does milsim look have to do with range?

None of those markers shoots any farther than a brass eagle with the same barrel length.

Just based on those things alone you shouldn't be telling anyone how to be anything. much less a sniper.
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If you have an M4 Replica, a 21" Barrel, have watched the movie 'Sniper' 10,000 times, and have played paintball for less than a year, you are by default a 1337 painBall Sni-p0r.

As i said years ago, the paintball sharpshooter is sniper like in his character, stealthy, low-volume of fire, and skilled in fieldcraft. However the range arrangement still stands.

Just for the record, a US Army/USMC sniper will try to close the distance to at or below 400 yards to make his kill shot. The infantrymen typically engage at 300 and up. The range argument is a valid one, but not always applicable.
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Just for the record, a US Army/USMC sniper will try to close the distance to at or below 400 yards to make his kill shot. The infantrymen typically engage at 300 and up. The range argument is a valid one, but not always applicable.

You were doing so well. I don't know crap about how the army does it, but Scout/Snipers in USMC regularly reach out and touch people at 800-1200 yards. The farther away you are and still have a clear shot, the better you can do at getting in and out without detection.
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