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Worr Game Products Black Magic Autococker Reviews
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Number of Reviews: |
159 |
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Average Rating: |
9.7 / 10 |
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Manufacturer Website: |
Click here |
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Suggested Retail Price: |
$850 |
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| Product Availability | |
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| The Worr Game Products Black Magic Autococker is older, so while it may be available used and in a few cases new, it is not commonly available anymore. |
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Period of
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| Less than a month | 32 of 35 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
4 years |
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Similar
Products Used: |
uhh... no cockers, but lots of 98s, bushmaster, a couple mags, intimidators.. think thats it |
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tricked vapor B2K with full freak, etc
Just arrived black magic.... i messed myself.. |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
mmm..... nothing really, but maybe a new barrel. definatly O2. |
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| Strengths: |
Cocker
Accuracy
Looks |
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| Weaknesses: |
Doesnt come with the free air tank and mask |
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| Review: |
ok, ive only had it for 3 days, but people, if you are going to get a cocker, this thing rocks my dirty mofo socks. the ONLY bad thing i found so far is the manual is pretty weak. i mean, really, REALLY bad. its onlyy 4 pages i do believe. thats the bad. seriously. now, for the GOOD
Cocker
Ok, if you don't know about cockers, then you should hit yourself. These guns are closed bolt, which in theory, makes them more accurate. The bolt is forward when you pull the trigger, so in other words, the less going on, the less the ball has a chance of messing up. All that is applied to the ball when it shoots is air. Now, whether or not this is why cockers shoot the way they do, i dont know. all i know is they are accurate.
The cocker is one of the most upgradable guns on the market, with maybe the impulse just barely taking the lead. whats that you say? you want a custom milled, friggin light canning machine with chrome and red all over? done. You can easily blow a thousand plus on a base model 2003 cocker. Or, you can just.. go out and shoot people in the face. These are wicked right out of the box, no matter what you buy (ie black magic, outkast, orracle, etc).
Like to tinker with your gun? like to make the gun your own? boom, cocker is your gun. How many 98's have you guys seen, while the guy is saying, "Oh ya, this is a one of a kind gun.. got a 16 inch boomy on it.. NO ONE has one of these.." well, he is lying. EVEN if you run into a guy with the EXACT same cocker as you, the trigger is different, the timing is different, these guns are UNIQUE. recently worr games put out information saying that the terms autococker or cocker are both registered and can only be used with permission. you know why? because you see angels, timmies, defiants, EVERYTHING that has either cocker barrel threads, or cocker feed threads. you even see PHANTOMS using cocker front blocks. why? if you cant figgure it out, shame on you. STO pneumatics on the black magic.. what more do you people WANT?
Want low pressure? you got it
Want a swing trigger? you got it
Want a MAGNETIC trigger with electo capabilities? you got it.
Want a FLATLINE? you got it. i think you people get my point.
I had the misfortune of buying a mag over a cocker. i said to myself, hey, cockers are good but the mag is cheaper. no. i spent roughly 800 on my mag, sold it, and bought a black magic for 580. The black magic kicks my mags butt, hardcore. No joke. STOCK black magic, mind you. stock barrel, EVERYTHING. this mag was done. nothing could be done to it. it was as custom as you are going to get it. makes me cry. Also, the mag was BEAUTIFUL. i mean, just, radiant. I spent some cash on my bushy too, making it purdy. black magic, OUT OF THE BOX, looks better than the two combined. Now for accuracy, just... trust me. even at 200ish FPS outta the box, i went in my back yard, and i was hitting a pole about 3" wide every... oh... 7 shots per ten at about... 25-30 yards.. all stock. i have trouble doin that with my vapor bushy when its at 300 fps... people... this gun is the shizzle. Im already considering selling my blakc magic and bushy and goin and buyin an e class orracle. i cant stress this gun enough.
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ok, the main reason i didnt buy a cocker 2 years ago was i was afraid if breaking it. Right as soon as i get it out of the box, however, im taking the front block off, messing with the actuating collar. Why was i scared? i dont know anymore. If you guys can handle pretty much any electro gun, cockers arent that hard. True, you may mess up the timing, but just get a bud that knows what he is doing, have him there to watch you mess it up, and just tinker with it for a bit. Thats what i did, and one day later, i know pretty much all there is to know about them. NOT that bad if you just get over it, and realize its better to know yourself then to send it out and spend 100 bucks on fixing a part you could have done yourself. The front block can be intimidating, but once you get the 3 way figgured out, thats pretty much all there is to it.
TRIGGER
My black magic came with a chrome worr swing. LORDY, i love it. i was thinkin of going kapp, but i dont need it. The trigger is a little long, but thats because im used to the adjustable one on my bushy. I can rip this thing. I took it out back and just... went to town. These things are just BEAUTIFUL. |
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| Conclusion: |
ANYONE considering a mag over cocker, dont do it. TRUST me. ive owned both, i hated my mag. to death. right out of the box, not even gassed up, i loved my black magic. i havent even played a game with it people, and i just want to splooge all over myself just HOLDING it. The ONLY negative of this gun is the manual, it just blows. hardcore. all it says pretty much is.. dont shoot animals, point it away from your eyes, and dont forget to oil your gun. but hey, im rating the gun, not the manual :p even if you have problems, ive heard worr had shweet tech support. PEOPLE.. buy a cocker... you will hate yourself if you dont. dont listen to anyone who says differently. if they say go 98 over a cocker, mag over cocker, ANYTHING but an angel over cocker, they are wrong. and even some angels, i would take a cocker over them. no joke. I was ICD all the way, hardcore ICD, i live like 2 hours from the factory, but now... now i just want an orracle... makes me want to rob a store or something.. :P these guns are the shizzle fiz nizzle... |
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| Rating: |
| 10 out of 10 | Last edited on Friday, August 13th, 2004 at 3:07 am PST |
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Period of
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| 3 months | 9 of 9 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
4 years |
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Similar
Products Used: |
2002 autococker, angel |
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| Marker Setup: |
2003 red black magic cocker with Smart Parts Max-flow and 12 volt revi |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
barrel, agitating hopper |
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| Strengths: |
wow, where to start...
The gun is gorgeous, with custom flame milling all over the gun, and a sweet body style. You'll turn heads with this monster! But looks isn't everything....
Right out of the box, this baby is sweet. It shoots beautifully, is quiet, accurate, and efficient. The WGP hinge frame it comes with is awesome (has a nice, smooth and quick pull, and the chrome is bling-bling :D) The whole gun shoots so incredibly smoothly, everything on the gun coordinated in the single fluid motion of firing. I've shot many top-end guns including Angels, but none of them, I MEAN NONE OF THEM compare to this god-like piece of machinery. You couldn't ask for anything more...trust me.... |
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| Weaknesses: |
the only bad? That you'll end up taking it out of the box and running around clicking the gun away for hours on end, until you finally get to take to the field where you nearly faint when you gas it up and shoot it for the first time. Tears came to my eyes the first time I pulled the trigger on that gun, the back block's movement was music to my ears.....basically you'll be obsessed.
In all seriousness, I would recommend getting a new barrel, despite the fact that you won't want to give up the prettiness of it. It's way too big, and as many people have already said, balls will roll out of it. Other than that, just get an electric hopper so you won't be depriving your new lover...I mean gun...of it's full potential |
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| Conclusion: |
words cannot express how truly wonderful this gun is. From looks to performance, this gun is the definition of perfection. BUY THIS GUN!! IT'S WORTH EVERY PENNY!!!
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Period of
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| 3 months | 5 of 5 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
1 year |
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Similar
Products Used: |
STO, WGP Stock Cocker, DYE Ultralite, Eclipse Autococker |
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| Marker Setup: |
2002 Black Magic cocker (Red)
WGP Hinge Trigger 02
Kapp Drop Zone II
On/Off Tank Adapter
Macroline setup
PMI Pure Energy Tank (68cu 3000) |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
New Barrel, New Frame, Cradle (a must have) (recommended Drop Zone II or III) REVY REVY REVY IS A MUST!!!!!!!!! |
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| Strengths: |
Very Very Very Accurate! Quite fast with stock frame(with some practice of course)as far as being quiet its pretty good except when the back block smacks metal vs. metal is not very quiet. good rof. Runs at a fairly low pressure 300 - 350 PSI. |
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Half stroking only when u have not practiced. when u practice u get much better even with the stock, but with a hinge or other frame u will rip shiznit. The price can be a bit steep for some but its worth every penny. |
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| Conclusion: |
Heres a good saying for all those people that think cockers are nothing but problems "If ur good to cockers there good to you" |
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Period of
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| Less than a month | 5 of 10 people found this review helpful.
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Less than a month |
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This is my first paintball marker, but I plan to get into the sport of paintball in the near future. |
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I use a 2003 WGP Black Magic w/ Crossfire 47ci 3000psi N2 (Until I can afford an Air America setup) and a Vieloader 12 volt Revolution hopper. |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
I plan to purchase a 14" Boomstick and an Air America 68ci 4500psi Apocolypse 2K N2 Setup. |
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| Strengths: |
This marker is Very Accurate and Quick Loading, especially with a Boomstick. |
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| Weaknesses: |
I thought that this marker was kind of heavy and high-maintenence. |
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| Review: |
A very good marker overall. Recommended accesories are a must if you wanna dominate over the others on the field. I really liked the Flames all over the frame. I chose black/chrome out of the variety of colors available. The mini-cockers have an even wider color aray. Go to http://www.worr.com/ for more details. |
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I would recommend this product to anyone looking for a good marker. Great value for the money. |
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Period of
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| 6 months | 4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
1 year |
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Products Used: |
05 Prostock
SuperStock
Orracle
Mini Orracle
Imps |
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-Trilogy competition
14" kaner
overdrive loader
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-Smart Parts ion
yellow body kit
fire bolt
12" progressive
halo backman
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-05 Prostock
blackmagic c-rod
14" dye ultralite
halo frontman
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-2k2 Black Magic
uni-mount on/off
12" dye ultralite
Halo Backman
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-Vision Impulse
strange bolt
sp tapeworm
ndz blade trigger
14" all american
Halo Frontman |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
Barrel (stock is heavy for a barrel but good wit small bore paint)
New neck if u want a clamping one.
On/off asa
Newer detents
New c-rod |
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| Strengths: |
Accuracy
Bolt
Frames got a light trigger pull
Great milling |
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| Weaknesses: |
Sorta heavy
Detent was in far and got my bolt stuck
C-rod came unscrewed |
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| Review: |
I have the 2k2 black magic and this gun is amazing, very accurate with one of the lightest mech trigger pulls ive ever used. Stock barrel is good as long as your using small bore paint, not a big deal but the barrels kinda heavy for a stock so upgrade to something better, i use the 12 and 16" ultralite and is just perfect for the marker. Efficiency is pretty good 500+ shots from a 48ci 3k tank, never had any fsdo or pressure problems. The detent was in too far and made my bolt get stuck in there really good, so make sure u adjust it, get a new one or put a o-ring on it. The bolt is ok its not the greatest but works it has good efficiency, cycles smooth, and doesn't chop much unless ur using cheapo/brittle paint.
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Great cocker, very reliable, efficient, and accurate.
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| 8 out of 10 | Last edited on Sunday, April 22nd, 2007 at 9:55 am PST |
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Period of
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| 3 years | 4 of 4 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
More than 5 years |
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Similar
Products Used: |
Spyder Compact 2000, Automag, Shocker SFT, Toxic Matrix, Odyssey O3, Karnivor, Dye DM5 |
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I have a Yellow Ebladed 2003 Cocker with a full Nexus Kit installed, Delrin bolt, Samauri trigger, Torpedo drop forward, and a 14" barrel. I also have a Diamond Yellow Empire Reloader B to match the gun. I am currently waiting on my new Powerlyte Scepter Barrel Kit. |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
Barrel Kit, Eblade, Samauri trigger, Nexus Kit and a better Bolt. |
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| Strengths: |
Accuracy, Air efficiency, distance and weight. |
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| Weaknesses: |
Back Block can hit you in the face. Not really an issue |
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After having played with a Spyder Compact 2000, Automag, Shocker SFT, Toxic Matrix, Odyssey O3, Karnivor, and Dye DM5, I still have to go back to my Black Magic. It is very versatile and can hang with even the most expensive gun out there. You really can't beat the accuracy, and the range of this gun. Now a days many people are getting electronic guns for their speed, but they aren't very accurate. Ask anyone which type of guns are the most accurate and they will tell you that it is an autococker. THe Black Magic series on Autocockers were so good, that even today, some of the more higher end guns still use Black Magic parts. So that must say something about how well these guns were made. I have found that it is lighter than a DM5 and Matrix and can be used whether you are a frontman ( like me) or a backman, or mid. An Autococker isn't for everyone, but those that know how to care for it, and know how to use it, you can be very deadly on the field. |
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In My honest opinion I feel as though th Black Magic Autococker is one of the most accurate, versatile, fun guns on the market, if it is in the right hands. I have yet to find a gun that can match it or beat all of its talents. It's going to be a long time before I let go of my Black Magic. |
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Period of
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| 1 year | 4 of 5 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
3 years |
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Products Used: |
Piranha E-Force, mini-black magic, Crappy other guns. |
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Stock Black Magic with bottom Line
Evolution ll Hopper
68ci 4500psi Crossfire Tank |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
Quick exhaust valves if u get an E-Trigger (lets you shoot faster) |
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| Strengths: |
Looks
Movement
Stock comes good
Quiet
Accuracy
Solid feel |
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| Weaknesses: |
No safety pin
Cocking rod keeps untwisting.
2 exhaust valves requires a drilling.
Kinda Heavy |
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| Review: |
So far this is a great gun. I love everything on it and i got it from Action Village for only 450 which is half what it usually is. If u hurry maybe u can get it from the closeout section.
Anyway, i love the fact that this gun is fully custimizable even though they dont make these anymore. When u fire this thing, ur gonna have to check the back becuase u rarely feel anything at all.
Plus it has a nice solid feel to it that many other autocockers dont.
The stock barrel is awesome. I took the gun out of the box and shot it in my backyard. I stood about 120ft away from a 1ft tree, i aimed straight at it, i hit it dead center. It was slightly windy that day and the ball didn't curve at all. I tried this a few more times and i kept hitting the tree. Later i stood about 25ft away from a 2 1/2 in and i still hit it dead center. THIS GUN IS AMAZINGLY ACCURATE!
One wierd thing is that the gun will go out of high pressure gas really quickly but when ur tank gets down to about 1100psi, the gun doesn't seem to use any gas at all. To get to 3000psi to 1100psi it took about 100 shots but when it gets down to 1100psi it takes about 600 shots to get down to 0. This is odd, but if the gun still operates there, i can't complain.
The 3-way has been doing a little hissing more than usual but i fixed that right up. Just adjust the regulater in the front and tighten the knob on the 3-way, that should make it stop.
Also when i bought this, it kept shooting hot (fast) and i had the velocity turned all the way down. I sent it in to the headquarters in California and when i got it back, IT WAS AWESOME. I couldn't imagin a more accurate gun. The reg was working beautifully and god forbid it should make a sound.
My favorite part abot this gun is that when i pull it out of my case, even poeple with DM5's say F#*%!!!!!! That is a F#*%in nice gun. The flames couldn't be cooler. |
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Get it. I can feel this gun is going to last me a while. If i ever want to get a new gun, i am just going to up it to an e-trigger from WGP. Just becuase they dont make this gun anymore doesn't mean that u still can't get parts for it. All autococker parts are the same (in terms of fittings and sizes)
I give it a 9 because of its weight and the constantly untwisting cocking rod (i have to screw it back in every 15-25 shots) |
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| 9 out of 10 | Last edited on Thursday, January 5th, 2006 at 5:19 am PST |
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Period of
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| 3 months | 3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
3 months |
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Similar
Products Used: |
tippmann a-5
spyder electra
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| Marker Setup: |
2002 wgp black magic
stock barrel
72 ci. 3000 psi N2 tank
v/l 12 volt hopper
hinge flame trigger
shocktech beavertail
superfly bolt |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
superfly bolt, but the stock venturi is awesome too
hinge flame trigger is excellent |
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| Strengths: |
Velocity, accuracy, milling, efficient, and the best gun ever!!!!! |
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| Weaknesses: |
Absolutely none |
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| Review: |
I have not been playing paintball for a long time, but i have a ton of knowlege and experience about cockers. THIS GUN IS THE DEFINITION OF PERFECTION!!!!!
it may be a bit expensive but all the die hard cocker fans know that this gun rips and nothing beats a cocker. worth every penny. buy this gun (the new black magic is not as good) and you will be very happy pulverizing your friends!!!! |
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Absolutly perfect in every way. no problems at all. perfect gun. if pb review would let me, i'd give it a 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!!!!
hope my review helped and happy painting!!! |
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| 10 out of 10 | Last edited on Monday, April 17th, 2006 at 3:36 pm PST |
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Period of
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| 1 year | 3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
3 years |
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Similar
Products Used: |
most older cockers |
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| Marker Setup: |
Black Magic chrome and red, 12" ultralight dye barrel, 12" stiffi barrel, E2 eblade |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
delron bolt, an electric trigger with anti-chop eye |
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| Strengths: |
Great out of box, Fairly In expensive, Customizable, Upgradeable, conserves air |
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| Weaknesses: |
RETIRED, can short stroke stock |
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| Review: |
this gun is the most amazing gun i've ever used. it is great, it wont go through air, i get exactly 1000 shots with my 68 3000 N2 tank. it is easy to upgrade (other then EBlade). it looks amazing and is completely custom. accurate as anything. there is one gun i like more and that is my friends karnivor and that is a brand new 2005 so whats it matter any way? dude if you find this gun any where you NEED to buy it. |
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This gun is amazing you should diffidently get it, put money into it or don't it wont matter it still rocks |
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Period of
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| 3 months | 3 of 3 people found this review helpful.
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Paintball
Experience: |
3 years |
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Similar
Products Used: |
WGP Outkast
Freeflow
Smart Parts Impulse
Orracle E-class |
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| Marker Setup: |
14" Dye Boomstick
68ci 3000 psi N2
12v Revvy
Dye .45 Sticky Grips |
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Recommended
Upgrades: |
New Grip (not necessary but it is nice)
New Barrel (stock is good, but if u got spare money spend it here) |
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| Strengths: |
Trigger pull is very light
Shoots very Straight and Fast
Light Weight
Silent
Nice Looks |
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| Weaknesses: |
none so far |
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| Review: |
I loved this gun. It's very reliable and shoots very well. When you fire it it's quite silent, almost as i you had a silencer. It is very easy to shoot quick bursts because the trigger pull is really light. Doesn't chop paint, i must've shopped 6 balls over the period of use, and i go pb-ing every other weekend. This gun is incredibly accurate and i just love it. It looks great, and it will turn some heads. I love the milling. |
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If you have the money, Buy it. If you Don't, then save for it. This is a great gun. I recommend this to EVERYBODY. |
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| Rating: |
| 10 out of 10 | Last edited on Monday, October 4th, 2004 at 4:15 pm PST |
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