hammer breaks
o rings don't last long
loud
weak
co2 hog
heavy
Review:
This gun is crap i bought it for my first gun and would never by another gun from winchester i have replaced the hammer approxamently 7 times and now the seals are broke. Me and my friends thought oh a cheap gun. myswell bye it it isn't worth $5 i think this gun should be used as a door stop and not a paint ball gun. Every war i played i ran out of co2 i went through a tewenty once in 30 minutes and i wasn't shooting very much. This is the heaviest gun i have ever seen.oh yeah my handle broke on it
Conclusion:
Never buy this gun it is hard to stick up for it because of all of its weaknesses
Rating:
1 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, April 1st, 2004 at 7:42 am PST
Autococker: can't compare these two...
Spyder: even with the single trigger it was better, but alot
too many others too list
Marker Setup:
Trracer pump w/ lonestar grip frame
2001 Autococker w/ Smart Parts drop forward, and a 12 volt revvy
Soon to have a Sp AA, Palmer front pneumatics, a STO 3-way, a KAPP windows block, and a Benchmark trigger frame
Recommended Upgrades:
new barrel, if you can find one, and an expansion chamber and a drop
Strengths:
It's a pretty cheap marker
It also looks ok
Has a single trigger in you're into stuff like that
Weaknesses:
Ithas a heavy trigger pull
I was not impressed with all the ball breakage it did
The guns accuracy with Marbs. is....ugh, not good
Conclusion:
I'd say just get a spyder compact, there's no way you can compare this to any spyder... The closest thing you can compare this to is a Trracer S/a, and i'd still take the S/A over it. You can't fan the Winchester's trigger. I didn't like it, nothing to it
Spyder Victor
Dragun T.E.S.
Smart Parts Ion
Smart Parts Shocker
Tippman 98
Tippman A-5
Brass Eagle Avenger
Marker Setup:
Dragun T.E.S
Evil Detonator
Evil Pipe Kit
Alamo Paintball Delrin Bolt
Scenario Dreams T-Board w/ Ultra Chip
Lightened Spring
Lightened Micro Switch and trigger
48/3000 Pure Energy Comp. Air
Macroline Set-up
Q-Loader Loading System
WGP 2k3 Autococker
Recommended Upgrades:
Regulator
De-rail it
Lighten it up
Fix detent pin
Strengths:
Metal
Super cheap
Weaknesses:
Super Heavy
Manufacturer problems
Review:
Like someone said before, this is the same gun that Zap makes, its actually made by Zap with the winchester name.
Well, I got this gun YEARS ago when i first started playing (about 5 years ago). I used it for my first year or so because I didn't have a gun. This gun is super heavy, I think it's heavier then my Dragun and Autococker with my hopper on it. Not a bad thing all the time, it's pretty stable when holding or shooting.
---CHOPPING, READ---
Okay, lets get down to this, this gun is a chopper, but for primarily one reason. The detent pins that were produced for this gun is TOO SMALL. If you remove your valve assembly there will be a rubber pin that goes up to the chamber, if you remove this pin, dab the tip in JB weld to make it taller, your problems will go away. I did this with mine and it solved all my double feeding and ball drop (balls rolling out of the barrel).
---Air Effeciency---
The gun is a gas hog with little room to help unless you get a regulator, my dad put one on his Zap and it solved that problem really well, saving tons of gas from being flung out for no reason.
---Internals---
The internals are plastic, which suck really bad, my brothers and dad and I all got this gun because we love to show people up who spend $100's of dollars on their guns only to get beat by a $30 gun, so we needed alot of parts. They break relatively easily, so the only time you should pull the bolt back is when you are cocking it...never any other time because thats when there is the most stress being put on it.
---Barrel---
The barrel is crap. It's a six inch barrel that is poorly made or polished. Take a gun cleaning rod, wrap some pads around it, and use some polish and get that baby all shined up, it will make a world of a difference. Aftermarket barrels are extrememly low because they use a thread that is similar to spyder, but slightly coarser if I remember correctly. I believe only one place makes an aftermarket barrel, and its one style in 12in. -16 in.
*EDIT: I believe the barrel is Thunderpig, but I am not positive on that.
---Weight---
Like I said before, this thing weighs a ton, you could knock someone out by accidently bumping someone with it. My suggestion is to do what I did and lighten it up. I took mine and took a cutting wheel and cut off that rail, then ground down the outside and repainted it, came out really nice and a lot lighter.
Conclusion:
If you have time to modify and fix it, and you don't want to spend that much at all on a gun, go for it. After you have done what I said to do in my review, the gun should be pretty decent and very nice for the price you pay. It's all on how much time you want to put into it. If you don't put that much, you will have a very poor gun, if you put alot, you will have a very nice gun for what you pay.
Rating:
7 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, March 22nd, 2007 at 7:49 am PST
nothing i have tried is this bad.... not even Brass Eagle
Marker Setup:
Rebel02 bottomline electric
Recommended Upgrades:
A bran new gun this one sucks, as well i don't think there even is upgrades for this gun
Strengths:
cheap
Weaknesses:
cheap, breaks easily, bad accuracy, gas hog, loud
Review:
this is an overall bad gun worst than Brass eagle, i would not recommend this to any one not even some kid shooting stuff in his back yard it is crap and will always be crap, use your judgment and don't buy this gun they charge to much for it( i am aware how cheap it is)
Conclusion:
worst gun i have ever tried DO NOT BUY IT if i could i would give this marker a zero
Shell of the gun is made of steel so its fairly strong fairly
cheap all right for a begginer if the fricken thing works
Weaknesses:
When I got this gun it screwed me from the second I took it out of its case the internal hammer spring was to loose so the gun would only fire 1 round before you had to recock it plus their was a leak in the bottomline the range was very low with the stock barrel but from my expierience all stock barrels suck the gun itself is hard to get apart to clean and field striping the gun (which you'll have to do all the time with this gun) is extremely difficult
Conclusion:
Apparently I just got the sour apple of the bunch and this model is suppose to be have decient buut save up and get a better gun thats the best idea
From my expierience with this gun versus other guns I don't recomend getting it heck go buy a stingray it worked a lot better
You would think that this gun would be half good since its made by Winchester....but its terrible. I shot it twice and the second ball broke in the barrel........this happened 4 times in a row. Then we got in a game and on the third shot my ball broke in the barrel. The second game i shot it and it went 8 feet to the left and then 10 feet to the right, then it shot sraight and then a ball broke in the barrel. During the next game i didnt get to shoot at all. i cleaned mu barrel behind an onstacle 6 TIMES!!!!!!!!!! and then the o-rings went bad and I lost all my Co2!!!!!!!!
Black E-force Vtl
Core Drop Forward with Gauge
14" Terminator Barrel
Empire Reloader SAB
32 degrees x chamber
Recommended Upgrades:
A New gun
Strengths:
Soild Metal Body
Weaknesses:
Plasic Interals, hardly upgradble, heavy, bad cocking, chops paint,
Review:
This gun was my back player's first gun (he was too cheap to buy a spyder), we had a few backyard games with it and I used it myself, somehow managed to bunker some of my friends using this gun (my friend was using my PMI) So I guess at lease this gun can still somewhat shoot a paintball. A few days after playing that game, as the team's 'gun guy' i decided to take the whole thing apart and from there on I got very bored and did whatever i could to the gun, which includes bolt modding, lighing up the trigger, and adding my old pmi 9" to it (maybe stupid enough to add an old X chamber). Now it's slighty better but in the end he got a spyder,a lesson on where NOT to cut back in paintball equipment.
Conclusion:
If you own one, then all i can say is get a new gun (victor I is only around 50 i believe)
heavy, ugly, cheaply made, loud, slow, akward, hard to cock, and much, much more
Review:
OK well I know somebody who owns one. The body is metal, but all the internals are plastic. With his, it won't even recock on its own. It is heavy, horribly ugly, unrealiable, VERY slow, and it feels very akward. It is made by winchester, which is worse than brass eagle (if that's possible...it's just as bad anyway). It is cheap, so thats a plus, but the performance and quality really reflect that. It is ok for your first gun i guess, but personnaly I would get something better.
Conclusion:
If you're looking for something cheap, and just want to be able to get out there with your friends and play, I guess you could get this, though i think i would take a BE blade over it because it is cheaper. You will probably have to get a new marker soon anyway, so I would personally save up and get a piranha or a spyder or something. I will give it a 3, just because it's cheap and you will get at least some play time out of it.
My friend's Sedona didnt even work out of the box. The Co2 wouldnt screw on all the way to the botom line. we had to do some tinkering and get the botom line off and now it has a vertical bottle. The barrel is solid steel and HEAVY. its not accurate at all. the trigger pull is kinda weird cuz it click like 3 times every time u pull the trigger.
Conclusion:
I would spend a little more money on a better gun. Its definetly not worth what ever you payed for it, unless the one i used was just broke out of the box.
Spyder Victor
ACI expansion chamber
Shocktech low pressure cell
Smart Parts 12" All-American barrel
Ronin 4+1 harness (got it for $10! HA!)
20oz co2 with remote
12v Revvy with X-board
Recommended Upgrades:
*Trash can
*Garbage compactor
Strengths:
Makes an excellent paperweight
Weaknesses:
*Heavy
*Inacurate
*Expensive for a paperweight
Review:
*I would neither use, nor recommend this marker for use in paintball.
*As I said above it would work really well as a paperwieght
*I'm glad I didn't buy, but its too bad my friend spent like $40 on it.
*DO NOT SPEND YOUR MONEY ON THIS MARKER
Conclusion:
*If you've made the mistake of spending your hard earned money on this marker, return it while you still can.
*If you can't return it then I would suggest throwing it away.
*I would rate this a zero if I could, but I can't.
Rating:
1 out of 10
Last edited on Monday, July 7th, 2003 at 3:47 pm PST
