High quality inside and out
Easy to point and shoot
Accuracy & Effeciency
Long for a "Pistol"
Palmer bolt does not lock in place like PGP's
A little about me:
I prefer compact, simple guns...Pumps and pistols.
I prefer simple, reliable, time tested quality over newfangle features.
I prefer to load paint from 10rd tubes & my power source of choice is the 12gram.
In 2003 I built a Sniper as a last ditch effort to rediscover the joy of the game. Since that time I have used many pumps, every new gun bringing me closer to my "perfect" pump.
In 2006 I thought I had found it, an old KP2 with West coast mods. I spent a while rebuilding it back into a sidetube, added a spring to the feed & a custom wooden pistol grip. Still...I found myself pulling out the PGP2k more than the KP, there is just something about pistols.
I made up my mind to have a Pug built, It would be like my KP with a springfeed side tube. From day one the plan was to have a Sergi K-Frame added once built, The K-Frame for the lack of a better term looks like a cowboy colt grip & changes the look and feel of the Pug. At the last minute (before I called PPS) I found out that a custom Sidetube Springfed Pug was for sale locally. I opted to go for the used Custom since it was the exact layout I wanted...and no build time.
It felt like a big PGP with a loose bolt.
At first I cant say that I was impressed with the look or feel, I could not "one hand" wield it like I could with my PGP's. After a few weeks went by I started to get used to the springfeed, sights and loading paint & air. My K-Frame went on next and that was when it was clear to me that this was as close to perfect as I have ever found. It was a mini springfeed KP, Everything I liked about the KP & PGP togeather in one.
The PUG vs The PGP2k
I was told many times by Palmers owners that if I liked my PGP, I should sell it and buy a Pug. My response was always the same "PGP's are smaller, lighter, hold the same paint count, have built in quick changer threads, cost less & since the bolt locks closed I can shoot without holding the pump forward.
And I still believe that to be true.
Only now; after having the Pug for a full season, do I see everything that I was missing with the PGP.
More shots per 12 vs the PGP2k & a lot less drop off.
Less wingers, very accurate at short and long range.
Longer barrel makes sighting and braceing easy.
Palmer bolt & valve make for a very smooth stroke.
Cleaning is just as easy as a PGP2k, look and finish is timeless.
No kidding, I have made eliminations with this gun that have blown my mind. The steady, predictable shot combined with the sub-mid size body and balance fit into more situations then any gun I have owned. long shot, hip shot, running shot, thread the needle... It does it all.
For that small % of players out there, the guys that reach for a PGP over everything else.
The Pug IS a piece you should own, You should treat yourself to a fine piece of quality pistol...built to order.
***2 Years Later***
For the 1st year I had to make a decision to ONLY use this gun, I did not want to give up on really learning it. The 2nd season was more natural, It was just simply "my gun".
I replaced the PPS instapierce with a quality CCI pin, this alone has been the best change to date. The CCI pin w/seal was $6 and since the switch I have not had ONE 12gram stick in the gun (the stock worn out PPS one would stick every couple 12's). I think the material CCI uses for the face seal is better as it does not deform with the final twisting after the pierce.
Besides the instapierce I also rebuilt the valve, with a couple o-rings and a new cup seal. There was no reason to do so, but since it had been owned by a few players before me I figured that it could not hurt.
Everything from speedball to big scenario, home field to roadtrip, from the snowbanks to the forrest to underground caves...The Pug has been an extention of my hand.
I will carry on the words of wisdom...with a little twist.
"If you love your PGP; KEEP IT and go out and buy a Pug."
9 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, December 11th, 2008 at 11:40 am PST
PUG, Superstocker/Houndstooth, Squall, Stroker and necessary accessories
A sight hood is good, as is a stock and its UMB mount if you plan on using it as a primary stock class marker.
Durable, accurate, high effeciency, great nickel finish, good magazine plugs, grips, 12g changer. Quickstrip bolt
Great marker, comes standard with all the options you'd want on a marker of this type. Nickel gives it great looks. Large feed plug and speed 12g changer make reloading easy. (Phantom style gates are the only faster paintloading method.) The pump stroke is smooth and light. The quickstrip bolt is by far one of the fastest systems to fieldstrip and reassemble. velocity adjuster is standard, as is PMI rubber grips. Sheridan grip frame makes pistol easy to hold one-handed. Effeciency is great (35-40 shots per 12g). The craftsmanship is perfect. Range is only slightly limited by barrel length, and can hold well against longer barreled markers. Fixed barrel insures you'll never mess up threads. Makes a PGP feel like a toy.
Great marker, if you're looking for a high end stock class marker, this is a good choice, especially if you like mobility. Only the superstocker really compares to the type of marker this is. The PGP isn't even close.
Sidekick Stock- certainly a great little marker and at 1/5 the price of the Pug you can't go wrong. Good for budget players.
PGP- Certainly not as good as a Pug, but can be made to be so with some cutsom work.
Keep in mind that I could never really badmouth any pump marker; I've never owned any that weren't little works of art in and of themselves.
Palmers will do anything you want to your gun for the right price. This is how I would set up my Pug personally...it's all about preference.
-Spring feed...if you're not picky about stock class rules.
-UMB, Stabilizer-(see above)
-Sight hood- more for looks than anything else IMHO.
-Ported barrel- quiets it down a bit, but not so good for 12g efficiency.
-Shartley Customs wooden grips-worth the money no matter what.
-Extended feed tube- makes reloading much easier.
-Overall quality and longevity
-Overall feel and heft
-Weight compared to non-brass markers
-Price tag if you're on a budget
I only owned mine for a brief period, at the end of which I relaized I wanted to make a Typhoon project and promptly traded for one. However, in the short time that I did own it, it made a lasting impression upon me...here's why.
-Pump stroke. Coming from a Phantom, the pump stroke feels like absolutely nothing. Ridiculously smooth.
-Overall feel. The Phantom literally feels like a toy in comparison. PPS brass makes for a much more natural and solid-feeling marker IMHO...much easier to actually point and shoot.
-The frame. That trusty old Sheridan frame and PMI rubbers work wonders for hodling this little beauty. It requires a UMB to mount a bottomline.
This marker has set me on Palmers forever...I will honestly never buy another non-Palmers pump again, and will continue to restore my sweet old Typhoon as well. Try one out if you can; you cannot help but admire the amount of work and thought that goes into every single PPS marker.
Simply put, the nicest pump I hever ever used. Pick one up now...they usually hav a few in stock and for only $315 it's a steal.
The Pug is an absolutely beautiful gun - top-notch quality. The inherent accuracy of the gun is as good as any other gun, even full-sized guns.
The Pug feels good, points well, and is a solid performer.
As far as being a stock-class pump pistol goes, there is nothing bad about the Pug.
The only downsides are inherent to all pistols, and stock-class pump pistols in particular. While the gun is inherently very accurate, the fact that you have a shorter barrel and nothing bracing against the shoulder makes it harder for the user to aim well for those longer distance shots.
Then again, I was insane enough to use the Pug on a speedball field against semis. I'm sure a pump pistol would be perfect for an rec games, though.
If you are sure you want a pump pistol, and a stock-class one at that (eg. you gotta rock-and-cock for each shot, no spring feed!) then you won't go wrong with the Pug.
Top-notch quality, great accuracy (limited only by the user, as with all good guns), and handles great.
For those of you who are on the fence about whether to go with a pump pistol, it's great fun to charge someone and not have your moves given away by a rattling hopper :)
I give it a 9/10 only because the price is high for a pump pistol. But keep in mind that it's high because it's a hand-made gun, with careful attention to quality.