Jungle Green SP-8
Tactical Rail Kit
TechT L6 Lightening Bolt
CP Regulator, Long
PMI Pure Energy 68/4500 HPA
Palmer Pursuit Shop unported, 14" brass barrel
Tasco BKRD30 RedDot Sight
Tippmann Triumph SSL-200 hopper
Draxxus Hellfire - just about anything shoots well though (tried X-ball Bronze and Silver).
EXTREMELY accurate, paint tolerant, no breaks. APEX tip adaptor available.
When I ordered my barrel, PPS had to custom make it to fit my Impulse/Ion threaded SP-8. A PPS employee was more than happy to answer questions over the phone. I was looking at their website later and found they make an APEX tip adaptor for their barrels. I called back and spoke ot the same woman who was very helpful and simply added the adaptor to my order. PPS is wonderful to deal with. The barrel arrived less than a week after being shipped, extremely well packed in a styrofoam "tube" inside a Tyvek envelope.
In the 2000+ balls shot through mine (unported, 14" on an SP-8/Ion), it's been nothing less than outstanding. This is a frighteningly accurate barrel.
Out to about 60', I was putting paintballs right on top of each other.
At 100', I could keep the vast majority of shots inside a mask sized area with no problem shooting into windows across the field.
Out to - and past - 150' (the length of my regular indoor field is about that, perhaps 175' if you go right to the walls), the group starts to open up - maybe 5 to 7 of 10 would stay inside a "man-sized" target. Great for longballing or suppression with accuracy. Firing 5-10bps at 150', if someone sticks their head, toe or hopper where you're aiming, they're going to get tagged.
All things considered (marker and paint inconsistency) I couldn't hope or wish for any better accuracy than this barrel delivers.
The difference between really good paint like Hellfire and lower end X-ball Bronze or Silver was the number of wild shots. Hellfire might send one in 25 shots off by a few MOA (minutes of angle). The lower end stuff had more flyers. No breaks evident with any paint, shooting at any rate from 1bps to 20bps. Either there were no breaks or the barrel self-cleaned on the 2nd shot and I didn't notice. In any case, by the end of the night, the inside of the barrel was still a mirror finish.
Other Barrels for Comparison
I shot a Hammerhead kit and the OpsGear interceptor on the same day. While they come close, there's a noticable difference and the PPS brass wins, at all distances. Note: the marker was chronoed to 275fps, +/-3fps.
I also received the PPS's APEX tip adaptor and I'm looking forward to trying it next. (APEX on order). The nice thing about that setup will be the possibility to disable the APEX tip to just shoot the brass or activate the APEX tip for "creative" shots. Best of both worlds.
I recognize a lot of different factors can add up to affect results.
For me, shooting an SP-8 and Draxxus Hellfire (my new favorite paint), there is no reason for me to own another barrel - the PPS brass is as accurate as I could ever hope for. There are enough people who swear by these barrels they're worth trying.
The folks at PPS can talk to you about options like porting or different bore sizes (small, medium, large - I'm shooting medium). Medium will shoot a lot of different paint well. If you regularly shoot small or large paint, you might ask for a different bore size.
This is a great investment and it's given me new excitement about the game because I can aim and know the paint is going to go exactly where I want, predictably.
10 out of 10
Last edited on Sunday, November 19th, 2006 at 8:27 am PST
Tippmann A-5, A.P.E. Rampage board/e-grip, DOP front bolt, Pure Energy remote coil, Dye Throttle 4500PSI/70CUI HPA tank, Trinity rear drive spring, Palmer brass barrel, JCS Duel trigger, JCS "Jet Click" mod, 3 point sling
ANY! Thats the beauty of this barrel! (see review body)
Shoots any paint and is as acurate as ANY barrel out there.
None that matter (see review body)...
After researching a LOT about different barrels last year, I came by these. after buying one, I couldnt believe how well it worked and that no one else that I knew was using them! I figured that I would share the knowledge with you...
That barrel is question is produced by Craig Palmer him self (paintball superstar, maker of the Palmer line of markers such as the Blazer and Typhoon, and owner/operator of PPS - Palmer Pursuit Shop - www.palmer-pursuit.com). That barrel being the Palmer Pursuit Shop (PPS) brass barrel.
These things are the absolute shiznit! They have a LOT of great things going for them...
They offer elliptical honing, meaning that no matter what size/type of paintball you use, it will always be matched to at least part of the inner diameter of the barrel. That means no need for different inserts, backs or "kits". Its a truly "one size fits all" barrel when it comes to paint balls. No more paint matching every time you play or switch ball types!
They are also made out of pure brass (hence the name, DUH!). Brass offers the LOWEST amount of friction when in contact with paintball shell gelatin. Less friction then any other material used in paintball barrels today, including but not limited to carbon-fiber, ceramic, aluminum, and stainless steel.
Now itís not needed (these work great straight out of the box), but PPS will also match the barrel specifically to your marker. Now I donít mean your type of marker but YOUR marker. If you have the time to send it in, they will match the barrel to your marker offering the ABSOLUTE BEST performance. This is the only company which I know of that will purpose match their barrel to your specific marker. If you chose to do so you are guaranteed to have the absolute best performance you can possible buy as far as barrels are concerned anyway.
I had one of Palmer's barrels on my last marker, a highly moded Tippmann A5. I tired MANY different barrels before finding about the PPS barrels. I went through the stock A-5 barrel, a Flatline, a Stiffi CF barrel, and a J&J 2 piece ceramic barrel. The PPS brass outperformed ALL of these by a noticeable amount. I could literally put paint on top of paint from 50' out while firing at fully automatic speeds of 20BPS. The amount of head shots which I got after switching to this barrel was unprecedented. I could literally use any paint too. From super crap field paint (Google "Bonus Balls" ) to year old paint, to Marbalizers it fired them with the up most accuracy and range. I loved the fact that I could do this without needing to change anything on my marker! I was sad whem I had to sell it with the A-5. I will be picking one up for the PMR when I get a chance though. The only reason why I got the UL over a PPS brass is because I got a super deal on a used UL. A friend with a cocker sold me an almost new UL for only 45 bucks. I couldnt pass that up!
Now this barrel isnít all sunshine and farts. It does have one downside. Itís WEIGHT. Because itís made of ALL BRASS, this thing is heavy compared to most of the other barrels out on the market. However since I had it on an A-5 this wasnít something that I noticed. Just keep in mind that this thing is a bantam weight barrel. Other then that, there really arenít any down sides to the PPS Brass.
There are a few options when you order one too, however NONE of the options affect performance one way or another. You can get it ported or unported. Porting will add a lot to the cost, but will also make the barrel MUCH more quiet. An unported version has a rather loud report. Of course if you donít care about how loud it is then b y all means get the unported version. It will save you a lot of extra cash.
The other ordering option is it's finish. You can get it in plain brass (free), Powder Coated black (extra 10 bucks), or Nickel plated (very shiny, bling-bling chrome style, also very costly). Again the coating is only on the OUTSIDE of the barrel and has no effect on performance what so ever.
The ONLY "option" (available on select barrel types) which has any performance benefit, is the "widget" option. These are similar to ball detents which help prevent balls from rolling out of the barrel at unwanted times when the gun is pointed downwards...
"Widget System holds the ball in place until firing. No more roll outs."
Anyhoo, here is what Palmer has to say about his barrels, and the link from where to order/view the barrels:
"Achieve extreme accuracy with these custom made solid brass barrels. Brass provides the least friction against gelatin and the best opportunity to get it shaped and finished properly. The texture and shape of the bore are both important to consistency and effectiveness. The way that we set up barrels here depends on the gun and its use. However, the basic concept is based on a shape that is slightly elliptical. A little tighter at the breech and muzzle than in the center section of the tube. The specific dimensioning will vary with the type and setup of the gun. We have had good results with shaping to meet the basic need of guns by brand but will usually achieve better results when we have THE specific gun to work with. Wedgits can be use with pumps and closed bolt paintball guns. Nickel plating and or powder coating is only on the outside of the barrel with polished raw brass on the inside."
BTW, PPS makes these at a standard 12". Craig Plamer stated that 12" is optimum for pretty much every situation and marker using his barrels. The WILL, however, custom make you one which is longer or shorter then 12" uppon request.
if you have any other questions, just call PPS. Last time I did that I even talked to Craig him self over the phone! He spent half an hour working out a marker problem for me, even though it didnt have anything to do with one of his products! His shop has A+ customer service.
You arenít going to be able to find a more reliable and accurate barrel for the money or even for more money. This barrel does everything that an entire barrel KIT does. It shoots as straight as the most expensive barrel out there and shoots every kind of paint as well as the best barrel KIT out there... all in ONE SINGLE BARREL PACKAGE. And it does all of this at 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of said barrel kits.
BUY THIS BARREL! YOU WONT REGRET IT!
10 out of 10
Last edited on Wednesday, April 25th, 2007 at 11:14 am PST
Tippman A5/A2 32* 12" Palmer Brass Barrel, Lapco Offset, BT raised rail, Lapco Suppressor and BSA red dot..
Great value @ $45
Well made, easy to clean and take of.
I picked this up essentially on hype. The word on the forums was that the barrel could handle a wide variety of paint without issue and even as far as increase accuracy of said paint. Plus, I wanted something a little shorter then 14" and I wanted unported since I was tired of having to clean out the damn venting after a break, so it was a win-win for me.
Its a great barrel, very durable, looks great and easy to take care. At $45 for the unvented and standard finish, its a great value. I had no trouble firing a variety of paint through it, but it didn't handle breakage or increase accuracy any better then my other two barrels. I would even go as far to say I had to squeegee this barrel more then my 32* Carbon Fiber, but it was on par with the Thunderpig.
And when I say squeegee, I'm talking one or two breaks out of 500 rounds with some 5 month old paint. The 32*, a few dry fires and I was ready to roll. On the Pig and Brass....dry firing didn't always help. Out comes the squeegee.
Another concern some folks had was the loudness of the barrel. Personally, I haven't seen (heard?) much to the dramatic descriptions of how loud or how quiet barrels are, but I do acknowledge frequency differences. Barrels do sound different...however, whether or not they are louder is another story.
So, upon receiving the barrel, I set out to do a little side by side action of checking volume differences as I have access to a dB meter.
3 barrels, c weighted running max dB with the meter 6" below the end of the barrel.
This was done firing a few single shots and then rapid firing (about 7 continuous shots as fast as I could pull the trigger). The rapid fire succession is what pulled the figures above. Both 14" are of the ported variety.
It takes at least 2dB for a noticeable difference in volume (if you're paying attention), otherwise, account for 3dB for someone to go "hey, that's louder". Now, although the volume differences were inaudible to the human hear (you could argue anechoic chamber differences...but that's just damn silly to the current discussion), there was a frequency difference between the barrels. The brass barrel seem to have a heavier mid range then the 32*, which gave it a "wack wack" sound when firing vs a "pumphm pumphm" sound of the carbon fiber. Best I could describe, I'm sorry. hahaha.
Could you tell the difference on the field? In regards to sound characteristics, absolutely. In regards to actual volume, no. Do certain frequencies travel farther then others? Another topic altogether, as there are too many variables at play. ;)
If you are looking to upgrade from the factory barrel or your current barrel is some bargin basement left over that is chopping paint badly...yes. If your current barrel is working fine, you are not likely going to see an improvement with this upgrade.
Tippman SL 68 II, 12 oz aluminum, homemade hopper adapter, Indian Creek 150 round hopper.
GAP, PMI Premium
Palmer's Pursuit name
Bright brass color (I love it)
Tarnish (see below)
The reason why I got this barrel is because my friend has a J & J ceramic on his and I wanted a barrel that he didn't have. Very hard to find barrels for a SL 68 II since it is a clamp on design not a threaded. This barrel shot so much better than the stock 11". I got the 14" brass .686 bore size non ported just because they had it in stock at PPS. Very loud since it isn't ported but you can always get it done if you like for a price. Unfinished meaning the brass will tanish and to stop this you can use BRASSO, get it nickel plated or clearcoat it like me. Heavy but it balances my gun evenly.
I recommended this barrel for a SL 68 II because the gun has no ball detent and the balls listed above works perfect for this gun. $50 for a custom barrel is a A+. The Palmer's Pursuit name is top of the line. Palmer's Pursuit Shop of Sacramento, CA 916-923-9676
10 out of 10
Last edited on Wednesday, March 9th, 2005 at 7:15 am PST
The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion on the comments page.
Period of Product Use:
Less than a month
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Loud without venting
Sucks through breaks
Good stock barrel, but I don't really like it that much. It looks cool on my blazer, but I'm going to replace it with by bigshot and excel. Kinda small bore, so if you have big paint, your screwed.
I broke at least one ball down the barrel every game, and in order to clean it out you have to basically shoot about 4 to 7 shoots through the barrel. (Can't uscrew brass barrel on blazer)
Loud without vents, but not worth paying another 40 dollars to do it. I recomend something like the Dye Excel because its big bore, so you can shoot any paint through it, also its cheaper than the brass, lighter, and quieter. Also the bigshot is just as accurate, and the same bore size.
Pretty good barrel for the price, but other barrels that are just as good if not better for cheaper. I recomend either the CP one piece, Dye Excel, or Lapco bigshot. So I'll give it a 5 because its basically average.
Anything works good with the brass due to its eliptical honing.
Ability to shoot any paint
If you break, it's not the easiest barrel to clean.
The brass barrel from Palmer is not like any other barrel out there. Brass is the naturally slickest material agianst the shell of a paintball which lets the paint fly through the barrel with absolultly no interference. That's not what makes this barrel so great though.
The brass barrel is eliptically honed meaning that the barrel starts off small and then expands in the center only to shrink back down again. It does this because as paint goes through a barrel, it expands. The elipticalness of the honing allows for this giving the ball an even amount of air the entire way through the shot.
Another thing that's wonderful about the brass is that it can shoot all types of paint. Unless you're using stuff that has been left outside in the rain for a couple of months, the brass will shoot it striaght. You could stick some mid range paint through the brass and it would shoot as striaght as marbs through a barrel kit.
This is great if the fields you are at are field paint only. No need to match paint and even if it's crappy paint (as I've found field paint to be) it'll shoot great.
Also, using a barrel kit, you have keep on changing out inserts as the day goes on as paint size can change from bag to bag, and sometimes, even ball to ball. As the temperature changes, paint size can change as well making paint matching pretty useless.
In conclusion, the brass barrel is in my opinion, the best out there. At a cheap price with the option of no venting, spiral venting, and double spiral venting, as well as different finishes, you're bound to get a barrel to match your tastes. I personally enjoy a loud marker so I went with no venting. Some like a quiet marker, double venting would be for them.
Where the brass shines though is that it's basically a one barrel, barrel-kit.
I give it a 10/10. I was so impressed by the barrel (and Palmer's regulators) that I went out and bought a Blazer.
Its pretty accurate. Never had any problems with breaking paint. This is the base model of the Palmer barrel series. Its brass so get soem Brasso and voila the barrel looks like gold. Accepts a wide variety of paint. But once in a while I guess everyone gets a bad batch.
Again its brass so it will tarnish. and also since it is brass I would use it as a shovel.
The barrel I tested was 12" in length. I used it on a Autococker/Sniper. I tried just a mix. In other words I took what was left from all my other trips.(Big Ball, Marbs, All Stars, Nelson) And then I mixed it up and put it in my hopper and the accuracy was about the same. For 50-60 bucks its a nice barrel to have but I do recommend you at least vent it but that is another 39 bucks. This is a great barrel to have. But again I do recommend venting it and maybe have them put a finish on it. Perhaps Nickel or Powder Coating.
Smart Parts Progressive
32 Degree Quiet Riot
10.5" Unported Brass Barrel
Anything of decent quality. Draxxus Hellfire worked pretty well.
I've used a fair amount of aftermarket barrels and nothing compares to the brass barrel. With all of my other barrels, some paint works great, other paint doesn't. With the brass barrel, it shoots basically all types of paint equally well. Even when my other barrels are perfectly matched to the paint, they don't shoot as accurately as the brass barrel.
The brass provides less friction against the shell of a paintball so it requires less force to propel the paintball. That means you use less gas per shot. Also, the nice golden color of the brass is both a strength and weakness. It's a strength because people off the field are always commenting on it. It's unusual and makes you feel like you have something special (which you do). However, in some situations it stands out a little bit and can give you away in the woods.
Some Brasso on the barrel every so often and it's good to go.
It's the most accurate barrel I've ever used. It shoots all paint very well. I recommend them to anyone.
Tippmann A-5 with Response Trigger
Palmer 12 inch Brass Barrel
Lapco Snapshot Barrel .687
Pure Energy 68cu 4500 psi Compressed Air
SpecOps A-5A2 Stock
Kingman Java Remote Coil
TechT Vortex Mod
JCS Redhot Powertube/ Hexadecagonal bolt
Anything that is moderately consistent. No size preference needed, just don't shoot Brass Eagles through it.
And I mean it, this will shoot ANYTHING with the best accuracy I have ever seen.
Very, very accurate. Not loud without porting. Accurate. Cheap. Accurate. Looks good. Accurate.
A bit heavier than other barrels.
Just got this barrel, and I loved it from the beginning. It looks great on my A-5. Dry fired a bit, and it really was NOT any louder than with my Snapshot or stock barrel. When I used it at the field, I was shocked and amazed. I had amazing accuracy, I almost couldn't believe it. At 20 feet it was literally ball on ball accuracy. It widened a bit as it got farther out, but it was never outside of a man sized target. I have never seen this accuracy with any other barrel or gun, be it Tippmanns, Spyders, Ions, Matrices or Egos.
Ah yes, the paint I was using? Diablo Nightmare. When I did a bounce test with this stuff, it ranged from 1 bounce to 10 bounces randomly. Basically, a bunch of them just break as soon as the air hits them. I would get 20-30 shots off, and then get a break. The barrel doesn't shoot well through breaks, but I'll test it further.
I just can't wait to see how this thing shoots with regular grade or high grade paint... I'm so excited...
At the field, I know at least one person who used a high end who was pretty amazed at the accuracy this thing was doing. I just never realized an A-5 could be this accurate.
Ok, I'm raving now. Anyways, this is the best barrel I have seen so far, I doubt it could be topped by anything...
Buy it, it is arguably the best barrel there is on the market. Works well with different paints and is amazingly accurate.
10 out of 10
Last edited on Monday, February 12th, 2007 at 4:00 pm PST