The PT Extreme JR is a 10 round blowback operated Pistol marker. It features an integrated barrel, 10 round mag, enclosed C02 chamber, field stripable reciever and removable trigger gaurd. Available in Blue, Black, OR Silver finish. Although the MSRP is $130 it usually sellf for around $100 US.
The 32 Degrees PT Extreme JR is older, so while it may be available used and in a few cases new, it is not commonly available anymore.
Holster, Modify magazine(s) as described below. Possibly exchange stock spring with a modified Spyder spring (PENDING).
Compact, Does not leak like predecessor, comfortable to fire.
Upgradeability and customizability.
About my purchase:
This is the first paintball pistol I have purchased and tested. This marker is not yet available in any online retailer's inventory. I purchased it new, sealed in box on EBAY for 109 dollars w/ shipping. It also came with a rubber squeegee, 3 12 gram C02 cartridges, and 4 10 round stock tubes for reloading. Information is available on www.32degrees.com about this product.
About this marker:
This marker is a direct descendant of the PT Extreme, which according to this site's reviews, was plagued with leakage and parts issues. Though this is a junior model, it is only about 2 inches shorter in overall length. This new design is significantly more advanced than its father model, and I for see this pistol becoming an excellent mainstream sidearm.
About the Chassis and parts:
This marker utilizes a design very similar to Spyder models, with the obvious exception of the gas system detailed below. This gun features a field strippable design, a very nice feature. The removal of the bolt, spring, striker and striker buffer is very easy, making the gun easy to maintain over time (a necessity for pistols to maintain accuracy), and to maintain on the fly in combat. The spring and striker buffer appear to be interchangeable with Spyder parts, however I have yet to test this. I have confirmed that the velocity spring is interchangeable with Spyder springs. The striker buffer is not. The bolt is a work of art, just over one inch in length. The barrel of the pistol is about 8 inches in length. *********I will post the exact length here.* The barrel is integrated to the chassis, and cannot be removed or extended. The trigger guard is removable, not for customization purposes, but for the purpose of removing the trigger assembly from the frame. However, someone with the desire to leave the trigger guard off of the pistol can do so without adversely affecting the performance or durability of the pistol.
About the gas system:
In a successful attempt to prevent gas chamber leakage, the PT Junior has an internal chamber as opposed to the open quick change apparatus seen on the PT Extreme. This means that even if the cartridge is not punctured or seated correctly, the chamber is sealed and will maintain gas pressure. In my testing so far, I have not heard any leakage. Make sure you cock the pistol before inserting a cartridge to prevent a complete discharge of gas through the pistol. The chamber screw is equipped with an O-ring to prevent chamber leakage. I was able to fire the pistol w/o paint approx. 30 times before it was empty. (I'm sorry I didn't count, I was too amazed at how awesome this pistol is.) I will give an accurate count firing at 280 fps at a later time. This is about standard gas efficiency with a pistol powered by 12 gram C02. Due to the internal gas chamber design, the neck shape (and how it seats on the puncture pin) of C02 cartridges is no longer a factor regarding leakage. DO NOT use "Game Face" brand Co2 cartridges with this pistol. The cartridge neck shape has trouble setaing on the puncture pin properly.
I under no circumstances advocate attaching a constant air tank to this gun. This will add weight, size, and complexity to a marker designed to to be small, light, and simple. However, for those who wish to add one, this pistol does NOT require a constant air adapter. The screw on the bottom of the pistol frame can be removed, and a standard 7/16" gas fitting can be installed, meaning a standard braided hose or a remote line can be readily attached to the gun.
The gun is supplied ammunition by a 10 round spring-loaded magazine. The magazine is not the easiest thing in the world to remove, especially under combat conditions. For this reason, and the fact an additional magazine costs around $30, I would not suggest purchasing additional magazines. I would recommend one of the following two options regarding the paint feed system on this gun, starting with the option I exercise.
1) MODIFY THE MAGAZINE - The magazine can be reloaded by removing the black plastic ball guide on the rear. For those with big hands, gripping the finger grip and removing the guide can be difficult. Drill a hole in the finger grip and insert a key ring. This will allow you to slip a finger into the key ring and yank off the guide quickly. Use a plastic 10 round stock tube to reload the magazine, replace the guide, and continue to fire. The pistol I bought came with 4 10 round stock tubes. Therefore, at any given time on the field, I have access to 51 (By topping off initial magazine load) rounds of ammunition and can reload the 10 round magazine in less than 20 seconds. This modification will cost you a minimal amount of cash for purchasing a key ring and the plastic stock tubes.
2) PURCHASE A VERTICAL FEED ADAPTER - You can purchase a vertical feed adapter to make a standard hopper compatible with this gun. Personally, I feel this goes against the purpose of using this gun as an ultra compact primary or secondary, and would not exercise this option myself. HOWEVER, I do recognize that a 40 round hopper would not add a great deal of size or weight to the marker, and therefore fell it would be a decent solution to the ammo capacity problem faced by all paintball pistols. This method will cost you a decent sum for the feed adapter and a negligible amount for the hopper.
The ball detent on this model has been greatly improved upon since the PT extreme. I shook the pistol and held it in every conceivable angle without having a ball fall out of the barrel.
I took the gun out for a field test without a chronograph. I fired approximately 100 rounds through the gun. First and foremost, This gun is very accurate. I would place it on par with a full size low end semi-auto marker like a Spyder compact deluxe. The effective range seems to be about 20 - 23 yards, with an absolute maximum of 25 yards. Through the first 100 rounds, there were no misfeeds, no double feeds, and no breaks. I was able to fire all 100 rounds on three 12 gram cartridges, so the average efficiency is about 25-30 rounds per cartridge. Very good initial results, I'd say.
As mentioned above, I did not have a chronograph to test velocity. However, I can say from experience that with the velocity screw at its max, the pistol fired at a solid 280 +/- 10 feet/second for the first 15 rounds. The second 15 rounds per cartridge fired at about 250 +/- 10 fps. I will have access to chronograpgh on Sunday, and I will provide more reliable information then. It may be necessary to exchange the stock spring with a cut down Spyder spring.
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About Maintenance: The field stripping feature of this gun makes maintenance incredibly easy. All of the moving parts can be easily accesses, cleaned or replaced. The trigger assembly removes with three screws, and can also be clean and lubricated easily. This pistol is as easy to maintain as Spyder models.
If you have any questions about this pistol you would like to ask, I will respond to comments posted on this review.
Excellent backup marker, average primary marker. I would play with this marker as your primary only if you intend to play forward in speedball or if you intend to be very stealthy in woodsball.
10 out of 10
Last edited on Tuesday, June 29th, 2004 at 11:05 pm PST
You can use spyder parts so a new spring if you want more distance, but if you mainly play woods ball I would not reccomend a full marker conversion because the gun looses effectiveness after about 50 feet and the conversions are expensive.
If you prefer playing foward in speed ball this makes a very nice marker. it is light and compact so I would reccomend fabrication of your own custom vertical feed because it looks cool and the factory ones are expensive. I also bought a bottom line off of my friends old avenger ( that gun sucked!).
I like the sights
Easy to reload
The instructions are not very good
Larger than a PGP
Tough to cock
This gun, in my opinion, is the best sidearm out there. I bought mine from a local Pro Shop for 90$ new but most places online sell them for 120.
This gun is dead on until about 50 feet, which is very impresive for a pistol. The sights are easy to use so just point and pull. It has a little kick but it is easily managed with 1 hand.
The PT Xtreme Jr uses 12 gram cartriges that load easily through the front of the gun below the barrel. It has new valves so it dose not leak like Pt Xtreme. The gun gets around 40 useable shots out of one 12 gram.
Nicely balanced. Comfortable grip and easy to load but is a little stiff to cock. Can be used with 1 hand.
I recently sold this gun, because I'm on a team now and dont do the senario thing any more, but it is still a great gun if you play woods/senario
If you play a lot of woods ball like myself get the gun in black because you will be spotted useing the silver or blue variations. If you want a good back up this is the best choice.
9 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, May 4th, 2006 at 12:40 pm PST
Main arm: tippman A-5
Side arm: 32 Degrees Pt Extreme Jr. w/ right holster
Goggles: V Force armor
Armor: 32 Degrees chest protector
Jersey: 32 degrees Flames blue
The Ronin belt left or right holster
Sleek body design
Everything you could want in a side arm
And the chamber screw
This is my first pistol and my first marker I purchased it at Action Village for 104.75 W/ Free shipping (for items over 100.00) and no tax (unless you live in Illinois)
About the gun: Field strippable for quick repairs
First the bads
While testing the gun for the 1st time the co2 cartridge was hard to get out of from in the chamber the cap was stuck on there and was hard as heck so you had to unscrew the bolt by the trigger guard to relieve the pressure in the camber to get the dead cartridge out. I got blue so it's not easy hiding that thing in the dessert. The only upgrades that are maybe urgent is a better Chamber screw.
Then the goods
No leaks definitely no leaks , accurate and compact this is one of those pistols that is good for that time you're reloading your main. For scenario play. The design is good and the grip is good and comfortable.
Good side arm so-so main and good for scenario and speedball
10 out of 10
Last edited on Sunday, August 1st, 2004 at 9:42 pm PST
This is my first pistol, I only bought it as a backup marker for my spyder fenix. However, the holster I bought (32 degrees) didnt hold up well on my leg when running. It did hold the gun very well though.
I decided to take the pistol out as my main marker a couple times instead of dealing with it as a backup that would keep falling off. It was surprisingly accurate, allowing me to peg a guy lying down in the mask at 50 ft with 3 shots. It was, obviously, incredibly outclassed by all the semi-autos, but with some good camo and sneaking around you can get some good shots off.
The main problem I found with this gun was the crossthreading on the CO2 cover. It wouldnt come off easily when in the field, sometimes not at all. I got a replacement, however, and everything went smoothly after that.
Overall I consider this a great backup gun, and an acceptable main gun if you're looking for a challenge.
Maby some extra tubes if it's a primairy
Replacement Bolt... do they even make them?
Sealed C02 Chamber
Over all and excelent and phenominally reliable gun. It has a closed co2 chamber which means that even if the co2 doesn't puncture and set appropriately there wont be any leaks. It's like putting your tank inside a little tank.
It's easy to add a bottom line if you wanted it and it's very easy to load. If you reload the 10 rd clip while it's still on the marker you can actually get 12 balls into it.
The gun is very compact which is really the only reason for its minimal weaknesses. The barrell could be longer or have some porting but since it's a pistol that would defeat the purpose. However it would be nice if they'd added some threads so a barrell could be added if you wanted it. As is your stuck with stock. Because the barrell is so short (It's a pistol) the accuracy is somewhat lacking but it's reliable enough to shoot. The spread is about a foot at 50 feet and a little more at 100.
The bolt is actually preety cleverly designed given the stringent requirements but I think they could have done a better job. When the bolt is cocked it doesn't sit quite right in the barrell and you can wiggle it around with you fingers about 1/4 a mm. It doesn't affect anything it's just a little obnixous and is probably caused by the bolt's length, just over an inch. My bolt however still had some of the metal shavings on it. I just took them off with a modeling knife.
The gun gets excelent co2 mileage. It shoots over 30 shots on one 12 gram when firing less than about 4 bps even at max velocity.
If for some reason your upside down when your shooting make sure you dont shoot the last ball because it will cop guaranteed. The spring loaded feader will only push the last ball into the chamber 1/2 way and then it runs out of spring power and since gravity is working against you on that ball it's 1/2 in 1/2 out.
Definately an excelent pistol. In this price range I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better performance. I'm sure the $500 pistols are better but honestly, whats the point? If your looking for a cheep pistol for playing around with this is the one to get. If you want a primairy weapon, this is still good but you'll be out classed by some people.
tippman 98 custom, smart parts tear drop barrel 14", response trigger, remote, viewloader 12v hopper, pt xtreme jr.
ronin holster either lefty or righty
10 round quickload tubes
Accurate for a pistol
Air efficient 30-40 shots per 12 gram cartridge
This gun is a very adequate sidearm for use in bushball. The price is awesome for the quality of this gun. I bought it brand new on ebay for $78, $87 including shipping. Don't buy it from any online paintball supplier, they generally sell it for between $105-120. I use this in bushball and it is fairly accurate up to 75 feet. I am very content with my purchase of this gun and you probably would too.
Buy it, its worth the money. Good sidearm in all aspects.
Bushy 2k2 lcd, Halo B, Crossfire 68/4500, Pb Bullet Drop, All American 12", Impulse Feed Nech, Dye Stickies.
- Not a Co2 hog (35-40 shots per 12 gram)
- Manual offers little to no information
I only bought this gun because of the reviews I've read on this site. I tested it and got around 30-45 shots for the two 12 Grams i used. It is more accurate than i thought it would be too. I could of really used more information about the gun in the manual though. Other than that it has not leaked, broken a ball, or broken itself so far. You definitely need a holster for this.
I would give this a 10 for the product. If i didnt like the gun so much i would give it like a 5 because of the frustrating manual that wants to keep all the guns secrets to itself. Great Gun...Cheap Buy.
pt extreme jr. with vertical adapter and spyder spring kit
new spring kit ( low velocity)
Accurate, light weight, no air leaks, doesn't break balls
Weak striker spring
Eats up twelve grams the first time you use it
well this gun is great. you get about 25-30 shots out of each 12 gram ( usually get about 27 shots out of a 12 gram) It conserves the co2 pretty well, but make each shot count! when you rapid fire the gun you get less shots than you do when you take you're good time. But the bad thing is when you cock the bolt back after you insert the co2, its a mother getting the dead cartridge out so just beware of that. So once again COCK THE BOLT BACK BEFORE INSERTING THE CO2 CARTRIDGE. Dont break your hands tryin to unscrew the cap, use the silver thing on the cap and stick it in the holes and pry it open. you're first 5 shots are your best so use hem wisely, and the other 25 shots are alright. just remember to clean the gun and lube it up after you use it, the o rings will break if you don't. the barrel is ported in the gun so theres no use in trying to take it out lol. I would recommend getting the vertical adapter for this gun though, so you dont always have to reload the magazine because it takes about 10 seconds, but hey it all adds up. I bought mine off ebay from ii sports for 105.95 US. Not a bad dealio but action village sells them for 104.95 US or something, and its free shipping.
Buy this product if you want a great semi auto pistol thats accurate, light, and durable and you wont regret buying it. Its a reliable paintball gun and its- hott
10 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, October 28th, 2004 at 8:27 pm PST
AGD sydarm= no camparison this thing is pathetic compared to it when they both are stock,
zues accuaracy is so much better but the zues wieghs alot more. Well i guess every spyder i have ever used which is alot. the internals of this gun is almost the same as a sypder with a shorter bolt and horrible barrel.
NightKast Cocker 04
zero b board
evil pipe kit
shocktech supafly bolt
palmers fatty reg
Ryan K Meek Custom camo paintjob
double trigger, and rt
rear velocity adjuster
shocktech supafly bolt
Sypder AMG grip fame with t-board (no eyes)
dye stickey grip
whisper barrel, boomstick barrel
bob long torpedo reg
shocktech supafly bolt
pt extreme jr.
03 vf with pump kit
"hot spring" made for spyders because it shoots 150 fps stock, valve extension+macroline+asa, so u can use constant air because 12 grams are a pain.3.5 oz co2 Direct feed with a 50 round BE hopper. Hostler
Rof simplicity price
Bore size!valve location
ok well when i first got this i dry fired it and i was really impressed mainly by the nice trigger pull and the 35 shots per 12 gram. Then i put paint in it and realized that the bore size was way too big for this thing to be accurate at all. I tried somebluestreak and even that didnt help. Also at the chrono this thing did 140-155 fps stock. Needless to say i was pissed.
But then i decided to put a few ups into this which i first got a spyder hot spring and crammed it into this gun and i got the fps to 275. I was very happy but the accuracy was still very poor but theres nothing i really can do about that other than shoot old swollen paintballs which would probally break when the bolt hits them. The clip on this gun i hate, i like the fact that its spring loaded but thats about it 12 shots thats it? I then got a direct feed at my store and a be 50 round hopper and holster. And i decided to get a macroline and asa so i could use my 3.5 oz co2 tank. O yeah but the trickey part is that the screw where you would screw an air line into isnt connected to the valve. idk what they were thinking when they made this but u have to buy a peice that allows you to get the air from your macroline to your valve because the whole isnt underneith the valve. After i got all of the upgrades its a pretty good gun, i would say its just as good as tippmann prolite, and much better than most mech spyders. However the accuaracy is horrible and it always will theres nothing u can do about it.
This is a fun gun overale but it isnt that practical. Maybe because i dont understand the ways of woods ballers who seem to do stupid things like have a a-5 with a 300 round hopper and at least 300$ of ups into that and they still have their zues strapped to their chest or leg, or the guy with the a-5 with a 50 round hopper who has 4 160 round dye pods. but this gun has saved m a few times when playing with my pump and i have used to to bunker 9 people in a woods ball game so its not bad, but not great.
If your going to buy a pistol and put some $ into it get this one. Personally i think its a waist because i only use it when i play with my pump when im about to bunker some1 or about to get bunkered. If your playing with a semi you can just put the paint thats in this gun into your main gun so why buy something thats acting as a 100$ pod that only holds 12ish shots?
The accuracy of this review is disputed. Please see discussion on the comments page.
Period of Product Use:
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Similar Products Used:
-Sheridan PGP - Another pistol
-Spyder Fenix - Another blowback
-Stock PT Extreme Jr.
-New spring kit
-Inefficient with air
-Air O-ring swells
Alrighty, I'm not too sure what to make of this thing. I'm also not sure how it's gotten away with all these happy, gloryous reviews without at least one or two 2 scores. It's not that great a sidearm. Seriously.
I'll go through the strengths and weaknesses in order, as they balence each other out. Take your pick which is more important to you, because I don't care too much. It's a moderate quality gun.
It's a very light gun. I find it wonderful for running with and moving up on people. You have no idea just how much your heavy marker is holding you down until you make an off-the-line run to the fifty in speedball with one of these. It's very nice. While there are likely lighter paintball pistols, in fact the pump ones generally have a tendency to be half the weight of this thing, it still is pretty light. Though, I wouldn't recommend dragging it around with you as a sidearm though. Sidearm would indicate it would be easy to move on your side. Not really the case... That's below.
A little pistol like this can be shot relatively quickly. Though you have such a small marker and you're more likely to miss, you're not going to be afraid of not being able to shoot fast enough. Though with only ten rounds, you're probably not going to want to. Taking two markers out would fix a few problems, and look really cool.
Now, the weaknesses. There're more of these, but it's alright.
This marker uses 12g air canisters, so it only gets a certain number of shots. Where stock-class markers, the markers which were designed for using 12gs origionally and are powered by a hand-pump, get 30-40 shots per 12g, this marker only gets about 25. This is for two reasons. One, this is a blow-back marker, like a small Spyder or something, so it uses its air to blow its hammer and bolt back into a cocked position after every shot. This works fine in practice, but it cuts into air efficiency. Two, it has no o-ring on its bolt. For this reason the bolt will vent a huge quantity of gas out the back of the gun and into your face. This will reduce velocity, requiring you to turn up the velocity, requiring more air. I recommend shooting slowly as well, to keep your air expanding properly within the gun so you can get the maximum number of shots per 12g.
Then the velocity is also very low, topping at 220 fps stock. A new spring will help, but I suspect it will further reduce the number of shots you can get. The stock spring is pretty light, so a new spring should fix the velocity anyway. Spyder spring kits fit fine.
I know people keep posting it's accurate, but honestly I don't believe this to be true. I play pump most of the time, and that means my paintballs must be accurate. If my pump shot like this, I'd dump it in the trash. I guess it's accurate for a Spyder-clone with a six-inch barrel, but I still wouldn't call it accurate. I also have a Spyder, and that still shoots more accurately than this. If you aim down the top of the gun, it will not go where you aim because the magazine isn't exactly sitting still on top of the gun, it in fact wiggles quite a bit, skewing your shot. Aiming down the side helps a little. It's not all that bad then.
It's pointy. What's that mean? Don't put it in a holster. With all the various sharp points sticking out of it, it would get stuck and does. I don't holster it anymore myself because it just gets stuck in it too much. Play with it as a primary marker instead.
When you use this gun, the o-ring that seals the 12g into the air chamber with the twist-cap will swell, making it very difficult to change out the 12g. They provide a nice, not-so-easy to find leaver to undo this cap, but it never really struck me quite why they didn't just imitate the design of the PGP and just plain not need that o-ring, as a decent design would have prevented any need for it and made switching easier on the fly. Irreguardless, it won't kill anything, just might make switching 12gs slower for you.
It's not bad. I don't like all those problems, but it's not trash-worthy. I like it, just there are probably far better semi pistols out there, and it probably would be better for a side-arm to be restricted to a PGP or other pump marker designed for 12gs.
5 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, March 10th, 2005 at 9:00 pm PST