Mini Invert (consistent, lighter, tiny)
Ion (good bang for your buck)
Epiphany (same as Ion just little up'd.)
PMR SE (Clear/Black)
Draxxus 68/45 LP Tank
1) Drop Forward (CP Micro Razor Drop) - Personal preference and will be my next upgrade.
2) clamping feedneck - will be my next upgrade
3) maybe trigger, i don't mind the stock.
3) Easy to strip and maintain
4) Stock two-piece barrel
Got this gun recently after much debate between Invert Mini and PMR SE (tried both of them multiple times). Tough choice, but worth it.
Chrono'd the gun right out of the box and was getting 285 +-15. Altho the ones i've tried has given me 280 +- 5. I guess it'll take few games before i break into the reg.
PMR has 4 modes, and boy does it rip. Sure you can set the ROF to 30bps with PSP mode, however, you will not get the full 30bps with eyes ON or OFF. That's cause most hoppers (i.e. Vlocity, Halo etc.); and i don't care what ppl say; won't feed upto that speed (max you'll get is 20-22). The only time i've seen it rip close to 30bps is with pulse loader with RF chip.
Anyhow, i didn't buy the gun just for the 30bps, bought it for its reliability and consistency on the field. And ofcourse, easy maintenance. So far (2 games), i haven't been disappointed. No chops (with eyes on) and no barrel breaks so far.
The gun is pretty light and with vlocity jr (which is lighter than halo b) and carbon fiber tank (i.e. Draxxus or crossfire), you can't go wrong.
The only two things i didn't like were:
1) feedneck - where you need an allen-key to screw in and out, if you tend to take your hopper out often.
2) swivel - where the macroline attaches to the Hyper-2 reg. Can be annoying.
However, these two weakness can be ignored:
1) upgrade feedneck to clamp neck
2) get a new reg? or you can just simple ignore it :)
Go for the PMR SE instead of the regular PMR. Rumor is they coming out with new version of PMR, but who knows what the $$$ will be. For $275, you can't go wrong. And if you have personal preference on setting up your gun, many after market parts available. Love this gun, and would recommend it to anyone.
Break-in time for the Hyper 2 (to be expected)
Some guns have air leaks*
[*]= 1) The PMR manual says there's only semi-auto, PSP, and Millennium fire modes, but it also has NXL full auto. NXL is where the manual would say Value 4, so just tap the trigger 4 times to check it out. Really, overall i'm super impressed with the PMR's board. Its got a setting combo for everyone.
2) Some PMR guns (including the special editions) out of the factory didn't get the right amount of thread sealant or whatever on the Passage Blocking Screw. If you didn't feel like you had someone blowing in your face when you shot the PMR, then you're probably ok. I've got the leak on mine so i've gotta drag my butt to the local shop to get it fixed right.
PROTO=DYE AND THE PMR IS AT A GREAT PRICE FOR ITS QUALITY!
I AM IN LOVE WITH MY NEW PMR SE! Even with the leak, i went through three pods of year old paint and didn't chop a ball at 20bps. The PMR is a fantastic gun, and the best gun out there for it's price. I really don't think you can find a better brand new gun for 275, correct me if i'm wrong. However, i would also say this gun isn't for people new to the sport. In cleaning and maintaining the gun, you need to know what you're doing so you don't screw anything up. I'll give it a 9 because the air leak is a bummer if you have it.
9 out of 10
Last edited on Wednesday, January 30th, 2008 at 5:53 pm PST
LE PMR (black/clear)
Hybrid ON/OFF asa
UL trigger (not frame)
Freak w/ All american
barrel kit (or UL)
frame if prefered
I bought this back when the Rail was just released and this set me back $500. Kinda Sucks. oh well, I needed an upgrade from my Autococker to supplement my snake playing skills.
Price: AT the time, the rail seemed like a bargain. Now, the price is ridiculous at only $285 brand new. In this package comes the consistency and speed of a top level gun like the DMs and PMs. Coming from this proven family the PMR is no exception.
simplicity: Straight out of the box, all you need is a fast loader, and a compressed air tank. The board has a few different moses that are easy enough to change through, though require you to open the grips. Not really a problem as I usually just play in semi (why ramp in practice). The nicest part about the gun is that as long as the eyes see a paintball, and there is gas, the marker will shoot.
Noise: Dye markers have been know for their quiet operation as are most spool valve markers. Though having no LPR makes the Rail slightly louder, it is not really noticeable. Having a 2 piece 14" barrel come stock with the LE version is a big plus and also reduces the noise factor.
Accuracy: I can honestly say that I have never actually played a game with the stock 2 piece. I have shot paint through it in my backyard for testing and calculations though. At about 100 ft with good paint, the rail held a 6" pattern even while shooting ropes. Adding the Freak to it makes the grouping even smaller.
Weight: This is honestly one of the lightest markers I have ever played with. The frame is a "plastic" material that severely cuts down on the weight making snapping a breeze.
Many people told me to get a UL frame for it, but my hands are larger then most and the UL frame does not sit quite right in my hands. I instead bout the UL trigger which severely shortened the length in which my hand was stretched out across the frame to the trigger compared to the swooped forward design of the stock one.
Efficiency: This, like most other spool valve guns is not the greatest when it comes to the air department. Although consistent, when set up to shoot 295 the gun at through a 68/4000 fill in just a VLjr and 5 pods. If you do need that extra pod or two, spring for either a tub of hater sauce, or just lower the dwell and velocity. All three make a noticable improvement. (2VLjrs and 8pods on a 68/4500)
A great start up gun for the emerging player that is affordable and gives anyone the potential to shoot ridiculously fast. Many of the other players on my team have these as back ups. I am personally a believer in DYE/ PROTO now and will stay with them until convinced otherwise.
new designs feedneck
crossfire 70ci 4500psi tank
empire reloader b2
new asa with on/off switch
halo b with victory 35 board and rip drive
crossfire 68ci 4500psi tank with dye tank cover
new regulator maybe
Very good im tournments fast shooting cheap pro-like gun very nice
I have had to take my marker into the shop several times. I have had an air leak, my marker randomly turns off several things but once u get it working it is amazing. It is one of the best tournament guns. The psp mode on the gun is great.
A+ gun but it will break the first times
9 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, January 31st, 2008 at 7:14 am PST
Spyder Imagine 04(green)
Psychoballistics on/off drop forward
Palmers Stabilizer regulator
New Designz lo pro clamping feed neck
Diablo spring kit
Dye Sticky 3 grips
Empire Revolver barrel kit
Evlution 3 hopper
Trigger and on/off asa . The trigger looks nice but kinda hooks forward to much in my opinion. UL frame and virtue laser eyes maybe.
metal upgrades that make it an SE
Two-piece 14" barrel
Ease of maintenance
Is a little bit of a gas hog. Not too big a deal though.
Got this a few months back and so far I love it. I really like the camo(makes it look different than the other PMR's). Absolutely no chops. No blown or bad o-rings as of yet (thankfully). Shoots great. The barrel that comes with it is pretty good too. It's basically a UL barrel with a different front and proto milled into it. This barrel and UL barrel will interchange so you can get a different UL back size if you like. I use the Proto barrel when I'm using a mixture of paint(different sizes) but use my Revolver kit otherwise.
It does indeed have a "secret" mode for shooting full auto. I've mostly used it in "semi" and PSP mode. It's there if you want it though.
Maintenance is very important with this type of marker be sure to check the bolt and grease when needed. If you do this regularly you shouldn't have any major issues. Plus it's very easy.
edit: Picked up a CP Rake trigger today. Right out the gate I liked it better than the stock SE's. With a little adjustment it should be just right.
Update 6/3/08: Still loving the rail. Haven't had to replace a single o-ring. I've replaced the stock frame with New Designz pro-lite frame. Really like it by the way. I'd give it, the pmr, a 10 if it were a little more efficient but since it loves air I'll say 9. Great marker. Would definitely recommend.
Great marker in my opinion. You would have to spend a lot more money to get a better marker right out of the box and much better value than the normal PMR.
9 out of 10
Last edited on Wednesday, June 4th, 2008 at 6:24 pm PST
Spyder TL-X stock (Doesn't even come close to the PMR SE)
Spyder Pilot (PMR SE is lighter and better overall)
Diablo mongoose (bad compared to PMR)
Stock PMR SE (Camo)
14 inch 2 piece proto barrel (stock)
45/3000 Steely Pure Nitro Tank
Evo 3 Eggy
Force-fed Electronic Hopper (Eggy is fine for me, but Halo, Empire B or VLocity would be better though) But the Eggy seems to keep up fine during ramping, etc.
Stock barrel is fine for me. Maybe get a new Board if you speedball.
Easy to clean
Overall great gun, keep up with 800+ dollar pb guns.
Inneficient on air. Got around 500 shots per tank fill.
Feedneck. I need wrench.
Well I bought this gun off actionvillage.com and brand new out of the box it didn't work. The battery harness was horribly installed and I had to go to a paintball shop to get it repaired. Cost me 20 dollars, but I could have gotten it for free from Dye since my gun is still under warranty. But I wanted to play right away. So no problem.
The next day I went to SC Village and had a great time with this gun. I only chopped 1 paintball because my hopper was off. The eyes worked great, after about 100 balls the gun ran very steady. The FPS was spot on, around 285 fps.
With the tank and hopper full of paint the gun was still really light, but could be lighter will a better tank. There is a tiny kick, very good accuracy and extremely quiet. The camo color is also very nice, stands out against all the other PMRs. At least 5 people stopped me and asked "Is that a PMR!?!?!, very nice"
Right away after taking it out of the box, I took out the bolt which was stuck because the factory lube had solidified during shipping so I had to clean the bolt and re-lube, be sure you do this before you even gas it up the first time. Since I upgraded from a Spyder TL-X this gun is a dream!!!!! So light and so fast, and I still think I'm a beginner so this was the best choice for me. Best gun for the price.
Compared to the regular PMR, the upgrades are the body is all aluminum/metal, the trigger is metal, backcap metal, 2 piece 14 inch Proto barrel basically everything you want for your PMR is on this PMR SE, SO GET IT!!!! Only 35 dollars more. I love this gun and it was a good deal in my book.
If you are deciding between SP Epiphany/PMR/PMR SE/Invert Mini. Definitely get the PMR SE, its worth every penny as long as you fix the initial problems. I haven't had any air leaks so thats good, some people get air leaks.
Great bang for your buck. Go for it.
This is another great product from Proto, very sturdy and feels great shooting. Feels much better than the regular PMR, which has a "cheap" feeling. If you are deciding between guns 200-300, GET THE PMR SE!!!!! I can't find this is any other color than Camo, but this looks awesome as it is. 35 dollars extra for 200+ dollar upgrades, awesome deal!!!!
9/10 because of the kinks in the beginning, but now it shoots perfectly.
PMR specile edition
halo v35 w/ iron cross ripdrive
pure energy 68ci/4500psi
nothing realy mayby a new hand off back cap
easy to clean
self cleaning eyes
If you want a great, affordable,reliable, and fats as hell gun this is the gun for you. Its trigger is great, and the board is very very modifieable. No doubt the best gun I have ever shot. this is also a good buy if you live in the san diego area because Dye, and Proto are about 30 minuts away.
Empire Nano On/Off
Trigger- personal preference
Hyper 2 Reg
2 peice barrel
Light in weight
I would just have to say the trigger. Just my opinion.
Overall, best marker for the price. This thing is a BEAST right out of the box and I have had no problems with it so far. Any tech at any shop will tell you that this gun is a peice of cake to work on . I would reccomend this gun to anyone. Oh yeah, spend the extra $25 and get the SE, its well worth it.
Red PMR SE, Empire Reloader B, Crossfire 68ci 4500psi.
My personal preference is the trigger but that is my opinion
fast, reliable, cheap, Consistent Reg when broken in.
My PMR has a little kick to it
I got my PMR for my birthday 2 weeks later i played at Boston Paintball right out of the box this thing show amazingly the only problem was the reg was not broken in yet and was a little inconsistent but that is to be expected. this gun show amazingly but one thing i have noticed is the kick when i was lane burning this gun kick pretty bad i dont know maybe this is just my gun but overall this is a really good gun for the price.
Overall this is a really good gun it is infact a dye product so that is to be expected
PMI SRT E-Force (Terrible-Very inconsistent-I think it was milled/bored wrong)
PMI R6 (moved the E-frame to this one...Shoots pretty good-Solid backup marker)
Proto On/Off ASA
Pulse Hopper w/RF chip
Dye UL .692 barrel
Redz Pepperstiks kit (.687 .689 .693) barrels
Proto .690 barrel
68/4500 w/Myth reg
Lots of O-rings, poor efficiency
This is a solid, fast maker.
It shoots consistent @ the chrono.
The manual is well written and has most of the answers you might need.
I have yet to have a problem with this marker on the field.
So far I only have had to replace one O-ring (the one perp to the bolt between solenoid and the bolt.)
I would recommend stripping and lubing it after every day of play.
I would recommend this SE over a stock PMR.
-Even if you plan on replacing the SE backcap with a 'fingers only' backcap
-Even if you would replace the SE trigger or spring for the UL frame & trigger
-Even if plan on buying an on/off ASA or a clamping feedneck
Basically if you plan on replacing all of the SE items......The SE is still the better choice over the regular PMR, because of the 2 piece barrel. With the SE you get a Proto .690 (which shoots great) back and a 14 inch front that works with Dye Ultralight Backs. Pick up 1or 2 more UL backs and you do not need anything else.
The best gun at this price. There might be better markers for more $$ but there is nothing cheaper that is close.