This marker looks and feels sweet. out of the box the trigger had a bit of side to side wobble and a heck of a lot of front to back play. that was easily fixed. It was a little loud and sloppy with the stock barrel but a much needed barrel replacement solved both problems. The milling on this gun is cool as h*ll but the extended trigger guard is a blessing and a curse. though it looks good it is hard to find any grips that fit the frame with the functionality i was looking for. I ended up making my own out of lexan (it is like plexi-glass) and getting some blue window tint and putting on the under side. the stock grips were made of aluminum and were thin and uncomfortable. i would rather have my old piranha grips to the stock ones. you can also upgrade this gun with most of the spyder accessories(since it is made by kingman)
decent marker. great for beginners and it looks cool. nothing is perfect so that takes 1 point away and the grips and trigger wobble take another so ill give it a 7. I would recommend this gun to newbies or someone who wants to devote time and money and make it what they want
Jt-Tac-5 (ok starter marker, better off with a 98c)
Freak Jr. Barrel
Barrel- Stock barrel is hit or miss, the bore on mine was wayy to large and as a result the velocity was low.
Reliable, shoots fast enough, built in regulator, looks nicer than most kingman markers
Stock barrel, trigger has some side to side wobble, some people wont like the frame
I bought this marker+20oz Co2 used off my friends cousin for $125. Was a very good deal. what more is there to say, its a spyder but made to be nicer than a spyder (aka. not chintzy). Milling done on body is nice, had to replace barrel becuase of massive overbore (could see 1-1.5mm around paintballs sitting in the barrel). Now that i have the new barrel i cant see myself wanting a new marker for quite a while. Its accurate, not as loud as most STBB's and has a decent ROF( which can be easily upgraded with a replacement board or gripframe).
Now thatryou can find many of these used they are avery good deal for the player that plays speedball or woodsball but want something above a walmart marker but is not ready to drop $500 into a tournament level marker.
This gun was not worth the money i spent on it a year ago i spent around 350$ for this gun and i woulda rather bought a cheap cocker for that price. to many internal problems, and just no worht the money. im now saving up for a cocker because this gun does not fit my needs. this gun is great if you dont go pb-ing often and is also good if u want to improve ur muscles its so heavy.
My final recommendation is to not get this gun cuz ud be happier with something else
The key weakness is gotta be the the wieght but im not that sure though.
This gun is very good i was shootting a hole aboult 1inche buy 1 inche and nearly all the paintballs whent right thruu i had no jams on semi,3 round burst,6 round burst and full auto but this gun is really good so all u guys who give bad reviews must suk nutss at useing this gun but exuse my language...
Spyder electra w/ rocking trigger is pretty decent but i think the nexon has better accuracy
tippmann a-5 tippmann is way louder and is slow
raven nexion w/rocking trigger 21" CMI tru flight
Longer barrel first of all, will make your paint fly farther, rocking trigger, so fast but sensitive. take out spring and streatch them out a bit to make gun a little stronger
Pretty decent accuracy not too heavy not too light
Breaks a little easily need longer barrel and doesnt shoot too far
This gun is pretty good but i dont think it should be worth $400. It should be worth around 150 though then itll be a good gun for the price. also the trigger isnt much sensitive and have to pull a little harder to get shooting rolling. Just upgrade to the revolutionary rocking trigger which is so helpful. buy lots of extra o-rings, don't get ripped off by the shops where they charge 2 dolalrs for thaat little o-ring. also upgrade to a longer barrel. When you get the upgrades you will be amazed how many players with pro guns walk into the safe zone cussing.
I recommend for beginners or intermediate just get longer barrel
In the Beginning – I bought this item off of eBay for $158.50 (not including shipping) and it came with the marker, stock barrel, 16” AA, and a clear Halo B. All items were in decent condition upon arrival except for the Halo shell, which I changed.
I was new to paintball when I bought this gun and was merely looking for a good deal. I didn’t have much money at all to spend on a gun so this one appealed to me.
I didn’t have high expectations for the marker, but thought it would be at least decent considering the $400 msrp. I relatively liked the milling and overall look and wondered to myself why the item was only selling for $158, but I bought it anyway. So, I forked over this comparably low rate without any experience with Spyders or low-end guns. Little did I know that I made a big mistake.
First time out – On my first paintball outing I whipped out the marker and screwed in my new N2 tank, which worked fine. For some reason when I pulled the trigger the bolt didn’t go all the way back. So, I took the gun apart and it was completely missing a few o-rings and leaking everywhere. Air was coming out of the barrel, fore-grip, and feed neck. So, I took the gun apart and after about two hours found the correct o-rings and taped up all the screws and insertion points on the fore-grip. I will not hold these malfunctions against the gun but consider them the incompetence of the previous owner.
After the arduous hours of work on the gun I finally got it working. It was shooting at an incredibly high pressure. Since there was no regulator, the pressure was the pressure of my tank, which was 1,100. This led the gun to be extremely loud, even with paint and a 16” barrel in it. I was getting some awkward looks from others there due to the excessive sound of the marker, which was unparalled by anyone. I took the marker to the chrono station and got some erratic numbers. My chrono speeds varied greatly from 250 to 285 to 260 to 272. The consistency was horrible, and as I later found, so was the rest of the gun.
The gun was quite heavy and annoying, not to mention embarrassing to lug around. My first game was on the speed-ball course and was depressing. I played back right and as a back shooter, needed accuracy. The gun was accurate within 1-4 feet, depending on how fast I shot. Even with the top of the line barrel and me forcefully holding the gun still trying to downplay the massive blowback, I could barely scare the opposition 30ft. away. The paint I used was void of any dents and of a good quality. As the distance increased in other games, I had to tilt my marker at insane 20 degree angles to come close.
My Second Time out -- Between my first and second paintball outings, I had played with and practiced with the trigger every available second. I got to the point where I could out-shoot the gun, which was a mere 13bps. When I took the field I began unloading on the opposition. After a string of about 20 balls or so, I began chopping, and chopping badly. Every couple shots I would either break a ball in the barrel or in the breach. This continued all day and was the most frustrating thing I could imagine. Little kids with rental guns had better performance than I did. I was forced to shoot semi at about 1bps to avoid chopping. However, I was using a very poor quality paint (Brass Eagle Wild Streak (50 cents per 200 balls)), so I will not hold this against the gun. Before I even began playing I had problems at the chrono. Maybe it was something I was doing wrong, or a malfunction of the gun, but for some reason I could not shoot a ball faster than 240. I cranked the velocity adjuster as far right as it could go, but I got terrible results. I got speeds that were 210, 240, 180, 200, 230, etc.
My preferences – After my first outing with the gun I took it apart, cleaned it, and lubed it. I adjusted the trigger until there was about a ¾ mm pull, allowing me to pull it faster than it could shoot. There was no way to adjust the stiffness of the spring that became very annoying after some time. I had to forcefully roll my fingers to get the trigger all the way down, but I could still out shoot the gun. The gun is very easily stripped, cleaned, and re-assembled. It only takes a few minutes after you are acquainted with the design. Finally an upside. The only other upside that I could see is the lcd screen and ease of adjustability of the item. You can adjust the firing mode from semi, to full, to 3 or 6 round bursts. You can adjust the limited rate of fire, although I don’t know why anybody would want it any slower. And there is a game timer and battery gauge.
Conclusion – This is a great marker for anybody who knows nothing about paintball or just wants a piece of scrap metal. It is nearly worthless; maybe that is why I had so much trouble selling it. I guess it would be tolerable if you rarely paintball and don’t care about the ability of your marker. Even the weakest of players would soon outgrow the limits of this gun. Even though every noob has one, I would recommend the ion for a beginner gun. I know, it is the skill of the player not the ability of the gun that makes a good paintballer, unless you have a NEXION!
Spyder TL plus has some upgrades just have not quite figured out what they are.
reg. gravity hopper
12 oz CO2
Halo TSA LCD Backman hopper
20 oz CO2
32 degrees coiled remote
4+1 pack with pods
deffinetly a new bolt if you can afford it.
maybe a barrel
maybe a regulator too
good accuracy (might just be me)
looks frigging awesome
lots of blow back
jams a lot if Hopper isn't fast enough
First things first... The web site says this gun usually retails for $400...NOT TRUE AT ALL! firstcallpaintball i got my gun at firstcallpaintball for $144.95. bit of a difference there. This gun is a great gun for that price and it looks great ,fires fast,(almost outruns my halo) and raven did a pretty good job on their first gun....The one problem is that this gun deffinetly needs a ACS bolt because if i max out this gun (they say it can only do 13bps but me and my friends have measured it at 18 bps )it usually jams and then you have to take it all apart ....so deffinetly a bolt but depending how much money you have and want to spend i could name a whole list for you... but all around a good beginning gun and its deffinetly worth your money because it can be upgraded to be a match for some of the more expesive models....
Well if your paying $400 for this gun then you seriously got robbed....but for my price this gun is great can match some of the more expesive guns and you can show off some looks on the paintball field if the girls are watching (deffinetly a plus) but the only problems with this gun are the bolt and other things... thats why i marked this gun down a little bit
This marker was my first. I liked it at first and knew that it wasnt the best. But i got it for 200 dollars off so i wasnt going to complain.
* for begginners the full auto is nice
* for begginners it looks neat
* things sounds like a shotgun... not good when you go to a tourney where people are pulling out angels that you cant even hear... they shoot you as soon as you get a shot off and you dont even know where they are shooting from
* has about a 4-6 inch diameter shooting area at like 30 yards.... I got my cocker sto shoot within 1 inch at 30 yards....gives you a little bit of inferiority when someone can shoot through a hole 2 inches wide in a bunker while your gun isnt hitting his bunker at all
* has a large amount of kick. the spring ratio inside the gun is heavy and provides a FORCEFUL push for the ball. But my gun shot so hard one time that the little knob on the top of the gun attached to the bolt broke OFF!....whoa...that freaked me out.
As you can see the weaknesses outweigh the advantages... if your going to begin cheaply this isnt your gun b/c its expensive and also becuase you buy the spyder xtra and have 2x this guns quality if you put an electronic trigger on it, it would be the same price.
If your thinking about saving or spending right now... go shoot a friends cocker or angel or Impy and THEN make your choice becuase if its a 200 dollar difference between this one and another save... i didnt and i regret it deeply
**** give it a 6 b/c its not HORRIBLE but its definatly not within the top 3 types of markers ****
Tippmann 98 custom with too many addons
Angel IR3 Fly
Viewloader Evolution 12v hopper
14" Teardrop Barrel
32 Degrees 6 Stage Expansion Chamber
32 Degrees Rocket Pressure Chamber
Psycho Ballistics Medium Bullet Drop
An electronic hopper and a decent barrel for starters
Also, in the case of any gun, N2 would be preferred
It chops a lot, breaks down even more
Light as hell, less than 2 pounds id say
Great features like 3 + 6 burst, and shot counter
5-11.5 BPS adjustable
Didnt know poop was sold for 300$
So far- Bolt cocker broke, bolt case bent (cant take the bolt out anymore), the thing the back part of the bolt shot 20 feet for no reason, Push pin broke
I find myself sitting out a lot trying to figure out why the hell my bolt wont even shoot half the time it is cocked
At first i loved this gun.....when it still worked. Now its a horrible piece of poo, i have to carry around a hex wrench if i want to cock it. Im thinking of trading it back for my Tippmann 98, its terrible.
4 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, November 27th, 2003 at 5:22 pm PST
Let me start off by saying this gun is awful! Looks REALLY cool. I bought gun with the intentions of getting a good electronic gun to replace my 98C and this is not even comparable. The trigger is good along with the drop forward and Expansion Chamber. CHOPS ALMOST EVERY OTHER SHOT!
I would recommend this gun to no one.
1 out of 10
Last edited on Thursday, February 16th, 2006 at 6:33 pm PST