1) short trigger pull.
2) nice lcd display.
3) easy to use.
4) install in minutes (if u have the right body screws)
1) location: i bought mine online from somewhere back east, and fount out they operate in my backyard. - fullerton, ca... i could have drove 20 min. and bought it from them.
2) for some reason, tourny mode doesn't work (yes, i did try to open the grip frame, and switch the button left to right) - didn't work.
3) lcd display has a couple bugs, it blinks everytime i shoot, or does not display when shooting full-auto for anything longer than 5 sec.
4) when i first looked at it, i was that all the stuff that came with it. how cheap.
not really... if you buy a shutter or similar gun for $250, and spend about $225 on elcd grip frame, you could have gotten a smart parts impulse for that price, works on co2 better than anything i've seen.
is it worth it, i'll leave it up to you.
i wouldn't get one, because you will spend even more for a spyder, than some spend on their super guns.
well, i had this elcd grip set on my mod'd bl mill... i had this before i upgraded to yet another electro... my electronic autococker - my new black timmy...
what's good about this product?
- "mouse click" trigger... almost like, but still can't beat an angel's trigger - my dark angel lcd's trigger is so sensitive - i can touch the back of my gun and it will start shooting... that's the honest truth
- "different modes" of firing... it has turbo, full, semi, burst, non... shot count up & down, time up & down, rps, pulse length, etc... - like my dark one, but less features... also alot easier to figure out... i didn't even have to read the so-called instruction manual... my dark one... it's almost required...
- "lcd display" - a must for any electronic trigger - makes adjustment to modes of firing easier
- installing - it was easy... plug and play installation, except for a few headaches...
what's bad about this product?
- sloppy build quality... i had a hard time installing my kapp dz 2 cradle to the grip... i couldn't screw it in all the way... i had to use a spyder adapter... made the gun taller by an inch or less...
- like i said, sloppy build quality - its not the best... i compare it to how the powerfeed is attached to a spyder body... really pathetic... they could have done a better job...
- installing... it to the body... but it would be nice if they only gave two set screws made for a spyder but also made the the grip frame... had a hard time trying to find a screw that would fit... the stock screws was either too long, or too short...
- is it me, or do people tend to lose screws, too... the screws that connects the grip to the body... keeps on getting loose, and fall out... i'm assuming its because the marker in whatever modes has so much "kick" that it just loosens up... one time i was practic'n with my bl mill with elcd... and the screws fell off.... the gun broke into two pieces... i got so annoyed trying to replace the screws that i just upgraded the whole gun... to an electro...
- second reason, why i got rid of the marker w/ elcd... ball breaks... i hate ball breaks... my least two words in the "paintball dictionary" besides "goggles fogged." on a normal basis, i consistently get ball breaks, i have it set at 12rps... right in line with the 12volt revvy...
- price... of the marker... basically the price of a new marker...
- the "feel" - for me, and that is my opinion, but it just feels not solid enough for me, its not because the grip is wide... its because the sloppy build quality carries over when it is mounted to your gun. it almost makes me feel that the gun is going to fall apart (besides those screws).
some people will say its worth it, some people say keep your gun stock - and save up for a better gun... the price of marker (around $200) and elcd grip frame (around $230), is like the base price of a stock autococker, or save a couple more dollars and walla price of a bushmaster...
Well, i haven't tested the hyperframe... but i heard its almost like it, with less features, probably better build quality...
I sold my backup: mod'd bl mill w/ elcd grip frame, for a 2k1 black timmy.... why? it just felt more solid... than the bl mill - elcd... I give it a 6... 1 for giving me the all the headaches - of screws falling out, another 2 for bad build quality. and another 1 for the "feel of the marker as one.."
it's okay... not that bad... and not that great....
Trigger pull tension, and distance is awesome, Adjustable as well!!! what a plus. modes, AWESOME, Semi, Burst, Full, and Turbo modes, all setting of modes fully adjustable. Timer and shot counter are an awesome addition! I'm not sure if you all bought the very first run of them made, but the new have OFFSET and NORMAL holes for drop downs!!!! Mine bolted right up, no problems, charged it for 14 hours, got 3238 shots out of it before it started acting weird. gave it an 8 hour charge and bingo, back in business.
lack of technical documentation. DC only car charger ?? I dunno about you but i don't leave anything in my car for near 8 hours....
Sure so it costs more then the gun..
I paid $133 for my spyder 2000 and invested about $60 in upgrade parts, it's basically a TL plus now.. a little better off actually, and adding a ELCD to it, bring it capable of hanging out with the Rainmakers, Intimidators, Angels, and other electro's. I let a bunch of other semi, and electro players check it out.. about 12 people...
11 said SWEET as then not so willingly handed the gun back
1 person said - "the grip is a bit wide" (but this guy always gripes about something - even his angel)
The different modes are quite good. I found the burst mode to be the best. The full auto mode is quite impressive. Support on the product is good. I called the main phone number to ask how much voltage the upgrade requires so I can purchase an adapter or a multi-purpose A/C adapter. A knowledgable person picked right up and told me the 9 volts would be fine and they recommend a cigarette light to A/C adapter hook up.
The screws don't line up on the shutter that well. I had to mill it down a little. Having to charge it via the cigarette adapter wasn't too cool but I purchased an adapter through Radio Shack so I can charge in the house via normal outlets. The price could be a little lower and maybe they could have their website acutally working before the product was for sale.
This upgrade was definitely worth it and I highly recommend it for current Shutter owners. Although this upgrade is a little pricey I still feel it was well worth it.
This frame is awesome!! I the piranha version(the only difference is the bottom line holes are standard not offset like spyders) The trigger pull is great and fully adjuctable. For tourneys it has a switch inside that locks it into semi mode(you don't need a tourney cap as said above)
Sometimes the sear needs to be adjusted depending on you gun(but easy 2 allen screws in top) Only car charger(you can get an adapter from car to wall at radio shak for $10)
This is an excellent addition to any spyder/piranha. The positives far out weigh the negatives though it does cost more than the stock gun.
this has a very high rate of fire. the gun has full auto unlike the hyper frame. it also has turbo fire which is the best thing that you can get out of the hyper frame. the grips are also very comfortable. i love how easy it is to adjust it. also you can adjust the trigger pull which is great.
this thing was impossible to install. when i got it i had spent all my money on the frame. when i tried to install it the drop forward would not line up properly with the holes on the bottom of the frame. i had no money to get a little milling done so i had to mill it myself. if u get this be warned : it will not fit on spyder shutters. try to save another $30 cuz it took me 4 hours to mill it and my hands were all raw. i had to take a screw and rub it back and forth in the hole on the drop forward. it also destroyed the threads in the drop forward.
this gun is a great product other than the fact that it does not fit spyder shutters. i love it. i hate to brag but my spyder has to be the best. i have not seen one better. in addition to the elcd frame i have a aka mighty max low pressure chamber, a aka lightning bolt, a aka sidewinder low pressure regulator, a aka low pressure tornado valve, a dye boomstick, a 12 volt revolution, a crossfire 68 ci 3000 psi nitro tank, a kapp drop forward/cradle, a kapp on off adapter for the cradle, some custom polishing, some milling, and a custom anodizing job(not the anodizing that comes stock), and for my birthday i am going to get warp feed. this frame is my latest addition and i love it. it works very well with these upgrades. i can't wait to try it with warp feed. buy this.
the trigger pull is awsome. it is so light an crisp. it is also ajustable. the grips are pretty comfortable but i like the stickies i had on the frame that came with the spyder better. the elcd is great.
it is annoying to charge because of the fact that you can only charge it in the car. but at least you can charge it when the car is off.
buy it. this is a great upgrade. if you want to make a tournament ready spyder this is one giant leap in that direction.
The trigger pull is excelent. this thing is fast. I love the different modes of fire. semi, burst, full, turbo. also being able to choose from 1-15 balls per second is great. the timer and shot counter is good too. it is very easy to use and change everything. and it charges pretty quickly also. the grip is pretty comfortable, and the trigger gaurd looks cool. I bought mine for my shutter, it works just fine.
One of the problems i had was getting the bottom line connected tightly, i couldn't get the screws to go in enough to hold it on tight. then i noticed that one of the screw holes that connects the bottom line and the hole that connects the grip went in to eachother. but i just put some washers on my screw and everything worked fine. Another thing i found out is that in order to play in a tournament or at a field you must have a tournament cover for it. And as far as i know, the don't make one for it. But i'm just going to get a piece of metal, bend it to fit on the back of the frame so it covers the holes and then use the screw holes that connect the bottom line and the frame to hold it in place. Other than that this thing is great!
If you are willing to pay 230 dollars on this which i feel is worth it, go for it. it may be more than the gun is stock but it's a great upgrade. To me it is the best electronic grip frame for the spyders that's out there. it's comfortable, looks awesome, and works great. It won't take much to make a tournament cover for it, even though they should have designed one already. I am glad i got this, it's well worth the money.
The overall quality is good. The trigger "pull" is insane and also adjustable. The modes of firing work real good but on my modified shutter w/12v revvy the gun couldn't cycle fast enough for 15bps on full auto but 10-12 worked perfect. The built in timer is a nice feature as well as the shot count that way you can see what your getting off one tank. I recommend this to anyone
Well I could say money but it's 150-200 dollars cheaper then the centerflag version but the elcd looks better IMO. The only bad thing is by putting it on a spyder or piranha the frame probally costs more then the gun itself.
I recommend it to everyone, this thing is sweet!!! nothing like shooting 100 balls in a couple short trigger pulls!!!
I use a Spyder Shutter with an Elcd Boo-Ya electronic grip with a Custom Products 16 in. barrel and a Ricoche 2K electronic hopper. As side-arms I use a Sheridan PGP and a PT Xtreme
It has a great selection of fire mods, semi, of course, burst, turbo, and full auto. I love the ball counter and that it keeps time of how long it's been on. the fact that it can shoot 15 rounds a second is awsome too. It's desined with a rubber 45 grip that feels nice in the palm of your hand.
not too much, what josh said (two reviews under me) is correct, it does drain the battery even when it is off, but this is stated in the manual, even though it is off a small electrical charge still runs through the gun, and in turn can drain the battery if given the time. but it shouldn't drain overnight, it should take at least a few days, I can still use mine a week after I charged it, just not to its full power. thats about it, my elcd doens't disapear in cold weather, or any weather. but it would be nice if it were water sealed. the other day I was playing and it started to rain, and I had left my gun outside, I was worried it would ruin it, but luckily I left it under the protection of a tree, so it was fine.
a great asset to any gun. it's always nice to be able to rip out 15 rnds a second when you have a mass of enemies rushing you, you can take them all out quite quickly if you use the frame to it's full extent. If you have the money I recomend picking one up, it's a lot of fun.