Can't tell- too inconsistent, mid bore probably best though small might work
edit : definitely small, with .689 insert at field it was all over the place. .687 was better but still had a tendency to vear. You couldn't convince me to use anything smaller with how tight some balls were in the .687.
Cheap, bright thick fill. Hard to break accidentally.
Ovals, flat spots, occasional large balls. Very hard to break.
Grabbed a case of this for use tomorrow and for the life of me I can't size the stuff. The vast majority of it goes down my .687 insert smoothly ignoring the flat spots and slight ovaling that makes it need just a little bit of air pressure to send it on through but about one ball out of ten would need the .689 and one out of thirty all the way up to the .691 for a good smooth fit. Random sampling out of just one bag found two balls that were BADLY out of round. Gonna start out with the .689 tomorrow and hope. Only had about 50 shots worth of air on the tank before velocity started dropping off noticeably and they were going fairly straight with only one hooking noticeably and a small acceptable amount of wobble that could be user related. Lots of up down variation but until I can break-in the new reg tomorrow I won't hold that against them. No breaks in barrel despite what I believe to be a high velocity. They passed the bath-tub blowgun test with only one bounce when huffed out of my barrel by mouth. Guess I'll see tomorrow on the field how they perform in an actual game. I'm cautiously optimistic.
edit : Played with it today. Will not purchase again. Had to use my smallest insert to get any accuracy. Only ball break I had was a dumb one at the chrono with my eyes off after I'd been in the pits dry-firing to see if I'd fixed a leaking lp hose. Still they were all over the place. After dry-firing 3000 rounds to break in the new reg I was getting +- 6 at the chrono with the Basic Training. Loading up with some loaner paint and I got +-3 fairly consistently. On the field accuracy wasn't terrible, there was a tendency to veer, but nothing that couldn't be compensated for with 15 balls where one should have been enough. What really killed me was the inability to get breaks. I expect bounces, they're frustrating but part of the game. On multiple occasions I got peppered after dealing out multiple close range bounces. At one time I had a ridiculous angle on someone's shoe sticking out of there bunker actually shooting through the bottom of the big X. I emptied half a hopper on that shoe and never got a break. It was a long shot and a tricky angle that took many balls into the ground before even reaching the target but one of them should've gotten something.
From reading other reviews it's probably good paint if you get a good batch. I've seen much worse. For the money it's a gamble with pretty much anything in the price range. If you spread em out and roll em around on a towel to find the few obviously bad ones you might be happy depending on your expectations. Just don't expect to long ball anything.
4 out of 10
Last edited on Sunday, June 11th, 2006 at 3:45 pm PST
14" J&J Ceramic Barrel
BT 1 3/4" Sight Rail
Special Ops A5A2 Stock
NcStar 30mm Red Dot Scope
32 Degrees Remote Line
PMI 20 oz Co2 Tank
Pro Team - 30 rd Hopper
Any Barrel Type
Very Accurate, Not very expensive, No Ball Breaks
None found so far.
I've used several different types of balls. My buddies and I agree, this is a good choice. Most of our games are played in medium to heavy woods. We have yet to have a problem with them. They fly straight, don't break in your barrel, and the fill is very bright. I use a J&J 14" Ceramic barrel and mostly play as a sniper. When I need every ball to do the job. I can count on Origin. Most recently we played a pretty good size game. Most of the guys (and girls) I know were using Origin. I never heard any of them complain or say they had a ball break. That's pretty good in my book when combined we wnet through about 6000 rds all together.
Flies Straight, No Barrel Breaks, Marks Good. Would recommend to anyone.
black evil omen 2.0
J&J edge kit
Lapco Clamping Feedneck
Purple/Silver VSC Phantom
eggy w/z board
any barrel kit
Doesn't break in barrel
Lots of bounces
Not so great fill
These are 1 of 3 choices of paint at my local field(this, whitebox and origin classic). I dont't know if its just how fresh my field sells them or what, but i'm happy to play against these. I always get at least once bounce each game. The fill is a gross green color, but hey its pretty cheap so worth it, especially if you pray and spray.
I get alot of bounces with these, but they're good for the price.
JJ S2 Ceramic
CP-Pro-rail w/ Reversed ASA (so the tank is directly under the gun)
Dead on Bottomline Adapter
Break on person not in barrel
I love these paintballs, last time i played i shot 2500 of them and didn't break a single one in the barrel. they come in Basic Training(good) then Frontline(better) and then Signiture(best). the field i play offers all three and i buy the basic training and they work perfect.
well my team went out and picked up a few cases of these where we play and we were like whats this??? no one ever shot these before... well turns out this was pretty good paint.. noone complained about breaks and noone complained about it not flying straight... the only prob i had with this paint is that i had 1 or 2 bounce off me... 1 on my chest and 1 on my leg... another prob that people who dont have a Barrel kit is that it was small.. i was using .686 bore .. so if ur barrels are "big" u might experience some hooking...
Not bad overall would'nt hesitate to throw this paint again...
Aci High Pressure Coiled Remote
Dye Sticky Grip
Pro Team Model 98 Commando f/x Stock
Smart Parts 20oz tank with on off valve
Smart Parts Teardrop
TippMann Custom 98
The teardrop is good
It has a good hard shell and not that heavy. Good ball overall
None that I can think of.
Like I said it has hard shell and its not too heavy. Shoots strate and always breaks when you shoot someone. I have had no ball breaks out of 6,000 rounds. I play with a tippmann 98c with a smart part teardrop. Overall you cant beat this paint and from what I'v herd there other stuff is jest as good.
-Round not dimpled
-Great in the cold
None at all...This is a quality ball that you can count on.
I had no ball breaks during the course of testing 200 rounds in Jan 2006 in 29 degree weather....Good cold weather ball and all year round ball. I recommend this for a good winter ball.. Although I have yet to try the Draxxus Polar Ice which I hear is also outstanding.
I play on a Scenario Team and we were trying a bag of this Basic out before the Team was going to start buying in bulk. 25 cases at a time.....This paint is definately going to be our choice for all round use in our practices and regular local play..
Recommended...shot straight, no breaks...tested in the cold and no problems..not much more to ask for out of a paintball
I paintballed for the first time this week. I played two days and the first day was great. I used some paintballs (unknown brand) but they were nice and accurate and broke every time. I had a few of those left on my second day and so my hopper was mixed with the Origin Basic Training (green fill) and the unknown brand (pink fill).
Every splatter that was straight on target was pink... everything that pulled left and right was green. Enough said.
I'm not an experienced player, but I noticed that the balls were slightly smaller than my first bag-o-balls. They might work in some other markers, but in my alpha black they sucked. I wasted more paint than I wanted to simply because I couldn't hit a guy in the back when he was standing still from 40 feet away. I'm not a good aim...but I'm better than that. At the end of the day most of us were going on the honor system if we got hit because half of them wouldn't break... we made someone bleed though... that was cool I guess.
Great for stepping on when you throw them in the dirt out of frustration... otherwise don't bother.