I've used a rental tippman and it's about the same only it breaks less paint
Marker Setup:
I have the model 83 w/ a 9oz bottle and a 200 round hopper and stock barrel
Recommended Upgrades:
a bottom line might be good, but i like having something to grip so you would have to get a gas through grip, or an expansion chamber, also the barrel is not good at all, and i haven't been able to find anyone who makes a replacement
Strengths:
It's cheap and requires very little maintenance other than just cleaning
Weaknesses:
It isn't accurate and you can't upgrade the barrel, also when you break a ball (which it does pretty often) your accuracy is awfully worse, the trigger pull is heavy and the rate of fire is really slow, it has a single trigger and the gun can't keep up with me, i'd say it's in the 2-3 balls a second range if that fast
Conclusion:
if you just want something to mess around with, then it's not bad, but if you are going to play at a field, i would get a Rebel, or a spyder, they are easier to upgrade and better guns, you get what you pay for
Point Zero (Back-UP) 4oz. Co2
B.O.S.S. X Raider, 20 oz. Smarts Parts on+off Valve, Revvy
Recommended Upgrades:
dont waste your money, although an X-Chamber would help a bit
Strengths:
Nothing really, but its $30, and its light.
Weaknesses:
Heavy Trigger
No Bottom Line
Plastic
Bad ROF
Inaccurate
Short Range
No Powerfeed
Terrible In Anything Below Fifty Five Degrees
Grip Is Uncomfortable
Poor Balance
Poor Field Stripping
Bad On Co2
Non-Upgradable
Hard To Cock
Looks Kinda Dumb
Conclusion:
I don't really think this gun would be a good idea for any of you newbies out there. Your best bet would be the M98 (1,000,000,000,000,000,000 times better tham this thing. I guess its okay for $30, but I would save up for a M98 or a Spyder. Rebels are Nice too.
Tippman 98C - Obviously better but 4 times the price!
Spyder Compact 2K - Same type of gun, but Spyder is all metal.
Couple cheap pump guns that everyone has used by now - Talon/Vulcan/etc.
Marker Setup:
Tippman 98c is my main. Mostly all stock with a PMI Razzor barrel. Looking forward to a double trigger, Some sort of 12v hopper, Rear velocity adjuster, perhaps a rocket cocker, and a foregrip or xp chamber.
Spyder Compact 2k (all stock, with a Taso Winforce barrel) is the main backup.
The Point Zero Model 83 a secondary backup or new player gun.
Recommended Upgrades:
Really isn't much other than a new barrel.
Strengths:
Well, first off it's extremely cheap. I got mine off eBay and it got to me for $35 shipped. So I can't really complain all that much.
It shoots quite accurately until about 65 feet, then it starts to move around.
It is light and quite simple to upkeep.
It has a built in rear velocity adjuster! Gotta love that.
Not many breaks, but bad when they happen (see below)
Seems to like most paint.
All the empty areas on the gun seem to be begging for a homemade bottomline kit :)
Weaknesses:
It was only $35 shipped, so you do get what you pay for.
The gun is mostly plastic, albeit hard plastic. This includes some major internal parts too. So far it hasnt been a problem, but I could see potential there.
The stock barrel looks like it was made in a prison by a bored machinesmith. It is a simple shined and smoothed metal pipe. Granted it works, but it looks like someones prize shanking pipe and not a paintball barrel :)
My main complaint is how hard it is to pop out the little plastic tabs to get the gun apart. I had to oil the hell out of a lot of parts to get it comfy enough for normal use. This includes the trigger (real hard and scratchy, oil fixed that) and the safety mechanism, which had to be filed somewhat to make it able to be moved without breaking a finger.
One last thing to mention, which is standard for some guns, is that once you break a ball in the barrel, you MUST clean it right away or the gun is useless. This one is really susceptible to that, so keep that in mind. It seems to get gummed up bad when a break occurs, so get to it asap if you intend to keep firing straight or even at all.
Conclusion:
Its a true low end decent backup gun. Hell, if you didnt want to get a true sidearm, for the price you could rig this up and save half the cost. It truly performs for what it costs, although I wouldnt pay over $45 for it. Works with a variety of paint, and seems to be lenient on CO2 usage. Most folsk wouldn't have this for a main gun, and even as a new guy, neither would I. However, if this was the only gun I had, or all the others failed, I would use it in a heartbeat!
Conclusion: A decent gun for the price, and like all guns, if you keep it up it will keep working. A 7 for its overall rating should suffice, it isn't perfect, but you aren't paying for perfection either!
P.S. Yes this gun is the exact same gun as the Winchester Sedona, but (from my research) this one is a lot cheaper in most cases.
Rating:
7 out of 10
Last edited on Saturday, January 29th, 2005 at 6:10 am PST
CHEAP,Durable,CHEAP
Easy to add custom upgrades and accessories
Weaknesses:
The stock barell is a piece
trigger pull is long
rear cocker is hard to pull
Conclusion:
Very good for the price of the gun but could use a trigger job
Adding custom parts like barrels,scopes or others is very reccomended
Also rear velocity adjuster make this gun worth while
Plus applying oil to the rear cocker lowers the strength needed to pull the bolt back
stock gun sometimes use a homemade pvc extension on barrel
Recommended Upgrades:
new barrel i think would help but haven't found one. i heard that a spyder barrel will fit it but the one on the compact didn't
Strengths:
works good doesn't chop very many balls in a year i have only had to take tools to two guns this is with 6 kids shooting them one got sand in it and the other needed a ball pulled out of the barrel.good on air . cheep! can adjust air without tools. the guys with the spyders were looking all over the place for allen wrenches.for a kid who doesn't clean his gun this is great for the price
Weaknesses:
not much ,the plastic frame is good quality and has held up well,but my 15 year old wants an all metal gun because its better looking.stock barrel is only 8 "
Conclusion:
buy it! 20dollars with a subscription to paintball2extreme 39.95 total cost. plus good mag. or if you need the whole setup less than $80 at three sites on the web.hell of a lot better than the stingray or the talon and better price than the spyders and easier to maintain. its the same gun as the durango accept for the name on the side and the color of the plastic so buy on price.
I havent used talons or anything like that so, I havent used anything this bad.
Marker Setup:
I use a Custom 98 with/Smart Parts All American 14", Rtrigger, and a SL 68 II with/Tippmann 14" sniper barrel.
Recommended Upgrades:
Um....Well if you really want to spend money on this, then a rebel stock barrel :P
Strengths:
It only costs around $35.
Weaknesses:
With that same $35 you can buy about 5 cases of ramen cup noodles....
Conclusion:
This marker is alright if you are only going to play paintball for a weekend cause your best friend keeps nagging you to do so. If you do happen to buy this gun, buy the worst/cheapest paint you can because with the barrel you wont hit anything no matter what paint you use, thats assuming the paint didnt break before it left the barrel. Bottomline.....BUY THE CUP NOODLES!
Cheap
great gun for beginner and for the price
hardly breaks balls
good on CO2
lightweight
Weaknesses:
stock barrel is a little inaccurate
Conclusion:
This is a great gun. I love it, it works just as good as my PMI and is 20 times cheaper. Its is decently accurate even with the stick barrel. I have found it hardly breaks balls. It is a great gun for some one who is starting out or eho is short on cash. Its also a good back up incase your mian fails.
