Nice, small, compact pistol. Shoots accurate and far. Solid construction. Doesn't look all space age like the PT pistols. Easy to reload. Very durable. I have heard of people using this gun for over 10 years and requiring minimal maintnence. Gets alot of shots from a 12 gram CO2.
Nothing really. Sometimes it gets annoying because a paintball has to roll in the feed tube to load into the chamber. But that's about it. Not exactly a bad thing.
I LOVE THIS GUN! I am going to keep this one. It rocks! I would reccomend it to anyone who wants to play stock, or wants a solid backup gun.
Were going back a long time ago. I had 2 PGP's a Brass eagle nightmare ahh and the first Splatmaster. A crossman3357 50.cal six shooter(yes it shot 50.cal paintballs) A MOD 10 full automatic machine pistol that fired special paintball out of cases by a primer. A VM-68 and I still use it somtimes. A PMI Pirahna Pro, and today I use a 2000 Autococker
Autococker, Terminator barrell and 47 ci CA
The PGP I had, had a co2 extender that made it easy to change the co2. I also had a barrell extention 8' and a stock
a very rugged and reliable gun. It server many years of use after being tortured.
good side arm today.
Its a pump so its for stock class or a side arm.
not many upgrades today.
A classic. I wish more guns were made as rugged as these. I will be getting my 3rd one soon. If I had a choice to use this or a semi stingray or rebel i wauld choose the PGP because it works every time and is reliable.
It does not need any upgrades it's fine right out of the box.
I don't use it as a side arm but i do play at at my field with it because the field is too small for our regular guns. i love it it is very durable and i have never had a ball break. it is also wicket accurate and gets a lot of shots off with one 12 gram. also if you want to improve your game go to a field and use it, one it makes you a better player and you also get respect from other players to just be using a PGP on the field.
when you first get it the pump is pretty stiff so you have to break it in. the peice you take off to put the balls in the magizine can be a pain to get off and sometimes when you put 10 balls the first ball will not drop down so you have to push the first ball down but after that they fall down fine.
the PGP is an awsome gun to play stock. if you buy it make sure you are good at paintball or you will be killed at fields. i would buy one if you want to have a little more fun at fields.
any stockers out there? similar to p68s micro phantoms nightmares nelspots and the sort
my primary:2001 cocker shocktech front end resprung by yours truly along with custom bolt work by yours truly. freak barrel revy benchy frame trigger job done by me rocket valve done by me bench drop 68 4500 tank and covers.
my back up: polished pgp with steel pump arm and valve work(not done by me this time) polsihed and honed barrel along with ball slots on the side of the top tube, coming soon a converted automag 45 frame to top her off
upgrades: available from punishers customs and cooper T and Doc at Docs machine shop. also Yankee customs does great work. i recomend honing the barrel and getting valve work done by one of the mentioned airsmiths. they'll get you up over 40 shots a 12 gram also if you have a older model(pre 2001) get a RVA put in when you get the valve done.
sturdy as hell and a great stock class marker, good upgrade path if you know where to look. goes back to the old days of paintball, suprisingly accurate and effiencent. tight and compact and aims pretty naturally for me. i cant really recomend this is your not one of two people:a stock class player in which case you already know about them or own one or B want a back up and dont like PTX or PT PRo or PT enforcers because they are gas hogs
its not for everyone and some of them are pretty stiff to cock, you can trim the spring to help that if you want.
its not for everyone but if you like stock class its a must own, this or a p68 or a phantom. this is a little more cost effective though
if can be found; i had a 12" barrel ext.,fast change, stock, silencer, and great grips for mine about 8 years ago.....
great sniper gun.
one shot one kill if you hide well.
very tough gun, can't break one.
very cheap for the quality that you get.
always on target.
will last forever!!!!
hard to find parts for it.
cocking only takes a little getting used too.
stick with RP paint.
i have been playing for over 10 years and i stopped for a few years while i was in the army. i cant seam to find any aftermarket parts for it except for www.cooper-t.com.... they got a few... anyone know where i can find the parts i used to use back in the day??? like barrels, vel. adjusters, stocks, fast changes, etc.???? send a email if you got a sugestion. thanks
The most similar would have to be the Brass Eagle Talon.
I have to say that the PGP out does the Talon a few times over.
-Hornet with custom springs
-9oz Brass Eagle Tank
-Homemade Barrel Extension
Duno. I never upgraded one because the ones I use aren't mine I just take care of them. I would like to customize one sometime though.
~"Sturdy, Elegant, Classic, Timeless" Lol. (That's a joke you may get if you live in the Hudson Valley)
~Solid construction won't fall apart on you.
~Small and easily maneuverable.
~Good accuracy and range for such a small gun.
~Good back up and even fun to use as a primary, specially if you're goin' against semis.
~Nice look and weight.
~Good on Co2 as long a seals are in good shape.
~Cocking can get stiff/hard if it's not oiled or taken care of.
~Grips are a little uncomfortable.
~If it dies on the field than it's dead the whole game.
~Only holds ten shots at a time.
~Easy to double cock and plug up.
~Hard to change Co2, more so on the older models.
~Very easy to lose parts when taking it apart.
~No velocity adjustment.
~Careful or you can pinch your finger good.
I don't personally own one of these guns but I have undertaken the job of cleaning and repairing 20 older used ones for my church's youth group after they bought them about a year ago. So all of my knowledge is coming from my experience with older models, I haven't yet had a chance to play with a new one.
I can only imagine that they continue to improve their guns so new ones should be at least as good if not better than the ones I use.
The PGP's got the gut's to back it's real feel and looks so if you want a nice back up or even a primary weapon than there ya go, I'd say it's worth the money.
I wouldn't recommend these for smaller kids. Some people would think them a good choice because of their size but it takes a bit to cock one of these and young kids often find them frustrating.
If you are looking to buy one used then make sure you get any tools that go with it and that you know what series it is. Like I said I don't know about the new ones but I do know that there were at least two series PGP made before. The P and PA series PGP. I recommend the PA over the P because they have totally different internals and those of the PA are way better.
Have fun and play fair and if you have a question ASK it.
i have a model 98 with an air america regulator, smart parts gas thru stock, all american barrel, pro-connect, 12 revolution, star fire bolt, dye stickies, and the pgp with agd grips and cooper-t velocity adjuster plug.
cooper-t rear end velocity adjustion plug, pmi or agd rubber grips, spring feeding for the balls, a HOLSTER, and an aftermarket bolt so pump pressure is not a problem for you whimps
this gun i awsome. it is accurate
has a great weight- less than my 45 auto
dosnt break balls
very well made
user friendly-not like an electro.
my personal pumping pressure is light and easy
the stock grips suck- get new ones
when takeing off the trigger frame the ball-berring and spring for the safty shoot out. they are VERY SMALL and you will lose them!!!
hard to change co2 fast
barrel needs to be honed by a custom shop.
you need to get new grips and i would reccomend the cooper-t rear velocity adjuster plug,(this is not a add). palmers custom shop can do some nice body work on it. also this gun is a great cheap gun (got mine for 56.00) and will be the differance from winning and loseing
10 out of 10
Last edited on Saturday, January 29th, 2005 at 5:56 am PST
Spitfire II, other custom PGP's, PT Enforcer
The Spitfire was my first gun. A basic bury it in the dirt and dig it up in 4 months, plug in a tank, and it still fires marker. Old reliable. The custom PGP's I've fired had nice little add ons such as a quick ball loader, front quick change, etc. The PT Enforcer was however a non comparison. If I was in a hot situation and I had one 12gram and both the Enforcer and a PGP at my disposal, I'd empty the paint from the PT and load the PGP. The Enforcer is to pistols what Brass Eagle is to paintball, a bad name.
The PGP I own is fairly stock with only a minor upgrade of a quick change front end and sticky grips from Palmers. The accessories include a neverbefore seen holster from the old days of Paintball and a festoon of ten round test tubes. I plan on having it refurbished with a faster pump and perhaps easier cleaning capabilities.
It's completely fine stock, but perhaps a better way of cleaning the tubes would be nice.
Whats good about this gun? What ISN'T good about this gun! It's everything that some guns are not. It's reliable, I've never had a malfunction in the 4yrs of service.
Rarely breaks a ball.
Accurate for the odd feel and imbalance of it.
Indimidation factor is high: Yes, a pistol strapped to your leg scares even the electrics. You know who you are. :-)
FUN: Remember that word? It's often lost in today's flurry of million balls per second guns and inflated egos. Tagging a guy with thousands worth of equipment is more satisfying than MOST things I can think of.
Quality craftsmanship: Another term that really only a FEW companies can really stand beside. This gun is as durable as any marker I've ever seen.
Self sufficient: No massive 10,000psi triple regulated, whale loader fed components. Just 10 paintballs and a 12 gram.
Well let's face it, once you've blown your cover with a bad shot, you get pinned for quite some time. Yes, it's hard to slug it out with almost any semi, but skills really CAN overcome that unpleasantry.
Tough to clean, watch out when dissecting, millions of little pieces that POP into the carpet and are never seen again.
I'm going to place accuracy here only for the fact that it's probably a mix of user error and the little kick it gives when shot. It takes a few shots (at least for me to zero in on a target)
Range will also fall into this catagory, I find myself arcing shots and dropping them in.
Bottom line: A PGP is a fantastic marker that will hone your skills far beyond modern shoot as fast as possible guns. It's a simple fact. Yeah, maybe you can't go toe to toe in a slugfest with an Angel, but you can certainly have a blast trying to. :-)
I have used a Phantom. Besides the point that they're both pump, there is a large difference. pretty hard to compare. My Phantom is my main gun. The PGP is my (fun) gun. I play with it as well.
Fast changer, Velocity adjuster, and if you want to you can get some comfortable grips.
-Nice and heavy,sturdy ( you can drop it from a bridge onto a hobo and only the hobo will break.
-pretty, and it's a major "cool factor"
-shoots straight( when barrel is clean)
-fun to customize and put strange upgrades onto.
-It's kind of a pain in the ass to clean the barrel if you ever get a ball break.
-without the fast changer it is easy to get shot while changing CO2 cartriges.
I really love my little PGP. It's an all around fun gun to have. And it may not seem like it but you can put a whole lot of wacky upgrades onto it. If you end up buying one and you don't like how hard it is to play against semi's than just play with it in the backyard or turn it into a cool project or something.