I just got this barrel today and immediately rippend open the package and looked it over. I ordered a 12" non-ported with black powdercoat. the outside was evenly coated with no marks or scratches and the inside was mirror shined brass. It looks great on my gun (I like the little bit of gold color visible on the tip).
I aired up (CO2 as i was out of air) and took it ouside with 40 rounds in my tac cap. this barrel shot awsome. it was like my A-5 has never performed before today. i was hitting a barrel that was over 125 feet away with 4 out of 5 balls. I just have crappy paint because it the middle of winter here and there is no use in me buying expensive stuff, but this barrel shot it beautifully. About half of the bag is dimpled, and i could tell which balls where dimpled because the ones that weren't flew perfectly straight.
After seeing the performance, I was giddy like a little girl and went searching through the bag and filled the tac cap with the best stuff i could find. The second hopper was ball on ball precision.
I figured I could get in another 40 rounds before it got too dark to see my shots, so I filled up again and just opened up with a fast 10 rounds. i got a break on the tenth shot. not sure if the cyclone broke it or it chopped somehow, but the barrel didn't like that at all. the next 20 shots curved everywhere.
Also, i thought that this barrel would be loud without the porting, especially on a Tippmann, but i was supprised. It is loud, but not nearly as loud as i expected. and it has a shot pop that is different from the normal report.
This barrel is way better than my stiffi. The stiffi is quieter and lighter, but it doesn't come close to the performance.
This barrel isn't the quietest, or the lightest, but if you are looking for accuracy PPS brass is the way to go. This is the best barrel i have used. I was going to give it a 9 but i can't think of any single barrel that beats this one.
PPS brass gets a 10
Dream Series Barrel Kit: Very accurate
WGP Barrel kit: Less accurate but solid
Lots of inidividual barrels (dye, J&J, Lapco): rollouts on a cocker, just fine otherwise
Palmers Pursuit Shop Cherry Pyre with Apex tip
Armson Max Duty sight
Lapco shoulder stock/drop forward
I recommend DXS gold for pumps, bronze for semi's. However, these barrels do shoot most paint well.
Shoots all types and sizes of paint well
Weight (?) for some, maybe, though I like how it balances the marker toward the trigger.
I have 2 PPS barrels, one on my Pyre pump and one on my PPS Blazer. I've also shoot one on an A5. In all cases, I was impressed.
They're accurate. They tend to shoot high end paint as well as any barrel kit I've tried. That being said, you might get a tiny bit better accuracy from a barrel kit matched perfectly to any given paintball. However, with the ball to ball inconsistency and in the event you need to use different types of paint, this thing does everything well. With my Pyre pump, I can get headshots consistently at 75 ft., no joke. I attribute this to the consistency of my barrel.
For those using blow forward markers, rollouts can be a problem. They even happen with barrel kits once in a while because of ball to ball inconsistency within a bag. I've never had a rollout on my PPS barrel. Playing pump, that's critical.
With porting, this barrel is relatively quiet. On my Pyre, you hear more of a 'pssst' than a 'thwack'. I imagine that an unported barrel is loud, but I haven't tried it.
It's nice to know that you're using a handmade barrel, made in the USA, by a small shop in California. They can match the barrel to your marker, modify the barrel (nickel-plated, painted, etc.). The customer service and warranties are excellent. They just about always answer phones and do always return messages.
This barrel is an excellent choice for those that want accuracy and ease of use without having to deal with barrel kits. While seemingly pricey, remember that most good barrel kits are more expensive. I highly recommend this barrel.
10 out of 10
Last edited on Monday, August 31st, 2009 at 7:49 am PST
The Brass has pretty well outshined all the other one-piece barrels I've used. I love my J&J's but this is my new go-to barrel for the days I don't feel like messing around with my Hammerhead kit. It's easy to clean and looks great on my 'Mag, and will look even better on my A5 when the barrel adapter comes in the mail.
Interestingly enough, the first time I took it out on the field it was at a store opening. they used reballs, and the barrel guided every one of them right to where I wanted them to be.
I definitely recommend this to anyone who wants a simple, reliable barrel, and doesn't want to mess around with kits and backs and inserts.
Autococker Superstock SF
Palmer's 9" brass barrel with wedgits .690 bore
Pretty much anything, really
Ability to fire whatever you put into it
quality of machining
A bit plain looking.
Louder than a non-ported barrel.
I just got this barrel for my 'cocker. I heard that Palmers barrels shoot straight no matter what you put in them. i didn't believe it, but I love the idea of having wedgits in place to stop closed-bolt gun rollouts. So I got me one. It was a bit pricey even without porting.
I have used it a couple times since and i have been amazed.With Draxxus Bronze, this barrel puts the balls right on top of each other. It is even pretty consistent with the white box gumball mystery paint I tried out. I have not had a single rollout since I bought this barrel, and I got the big .690 bore.
I love the shiny brass color and it gets a lot of remarks. It is just a plain tube, so if you are looking for fancy machining or graphics, look elsewhere. Black, brass, or nickel are your choices, or anodized however you like for a ton of cash. It is also heavy for its size.
The barrel is very high priced for a single piece without inserts. But when you factor in the quality of the barrel, and the fact that it works just as well as a barrel with a bunch of inserts, it is a very good deal.
I hate to be a fanboy and rate this thing a 10, but it does exactly what I want it to, looks great, is hand-made, and comes at a good price. What else can I say? 10
10 out of 10
Last edited on Sunday, March 2nd, 2008 at 4:47 pm PST
I ordered a 12" .685 unported barrel with matte black powder coating from Palmers Pursuit Shop to see if it would live up to the hype. Up front, I will say that it did.
I tested it at the chrono range on my 2005 WGP Superstock with CCM 45 auto trigger frame and pump kit. It has fully stock internals. Pressure was set to 300 psi, and the IVG was adjusted to 285 fps maximum. Paint used was 1 bag (500 rounds) of 1 month old WPN Elixir that was sitting in my paintball caddy for two weeks.
With the exception of short stroking the pump a few times while practicing my auto triggering, I had no barrel breaks. I have sized WPN Elxir at .684 to .690, especially when it is no longer fresh. At the chrono, consistency was +/- 2 fps at 280 fps, with occasional spikes +/- 5 fps. I've shot WPN Elixir through a 2000 Series PowerLyte Scepter kit in better weather, and I did not get results anywhere near this.
I was not able to properly test accuracy since it was raining that day.
Weight of the barrel was only 9.4 ounces on my USPS postal scale. I have a 12 " JT stainless steel back barrel with aluminum tip which weighs 9.1 ounces on the same scale. I think people exaggerate the weight of these brass barrels. On the gun, it did not feel any heavier than stainless steel backed barrels with aluminum tips.
After my positive experience with this barrel, I will be ordering another: 12" .690 with wedgits and dual spiral porting.
If you have a closed bolt marker, need to match paint to prevent roll out, and you are tired of matching paint with your kit throughout the day to prevent breaks, I recommend these barrels.
EVO3/ Empire Reloader
Any I guess, but I love Anarchy with this thing
One Barrel with amazing accuracy
... Heavier than most
Well I saw my friend with one last time I was out who loved this thing to death. So I decided to give it a try. Though this was alot heavier than the stock barrel, it wasn't bad. Actually balanced the gun out. Then I got around to firing this thing. I was able to hit a 2-3 inch wide cactus 10 out of 10 times at about 60-70 feet. This is the most accurate barrel I have seen to date.
I'll never use another barrel.
Very reasonable price for the performance you get. A must get
Shoots any paint very well. I have never broken a ball in this barrel.
This barrel simply has no weaknesses.
This is the best single barrel that I have ever used. It will shoot any paint very well. I've shot year old paint through this barrel, and it shoots great. It will shoot cheap paint just as well as good paint. It's simply the best single piece barrel available.
You can read all about why it performs so well on their webpage.
Procaps/Draxxus/X-Ball/Origin if you get the small bore one
GAP, RPS, and random junk if you get the standard bore
The barrel is plain, no funny confusing curves. heavy weight is stable. option for wedgits
Heavy weight may be bad for some. Brass needs to be kept clean.
This review is for a black powder coated 13 inch .685 tight bore brass barrel with wedgits
The black powder coating on my barrel was uneven and had dots and bumps that were noticable. However, these imperfections aren't noticed during actual gameplay. The powder coating is very strong though, I usually sit my barrel of the edge of a bunker for support and usually end up sliding it back and forth to keep on target. The sharp edge of the bunker left no mark on the barrel. The coating did get shaved a bit when i placed an alluminum Sheridan muzzle break on though.
The brass on the inside of the barrel is honed to a mirror finish and is very smooth, but doesnt feel any smoother than my Smart Parts barrel, that is, testing with my fingers.
Testing this out at the chrono range, i missed my target several times, but the barrel missed at the same spot each time, which is good because the barrel is consistent even though the user didnt aim on the spot. Later on at the end of the day, i decided to shoot some steel poles. i shot, missed, shot again, missed the same spot again, shot, missed the same spot again, leaned a little bit to the right, shot, hit, shot, hit,shot,hit Again, the barrel is precise and has a very nice grouping
The field owner wanted to test out this barrel since the beginning of the day, but lent out his pump to some one. At the end of the day when he got is pump back, we went to the range and tested the PPS to see how it compares to a 12 inch CCM. There was no noticable difference in perfomance, neithar seemed better.
The weight of the barrel keeps a more stable hold on the target, but weighs you down when moving and tires the arms out a tiny bit more.
I ordered mine with wedgits since I play pump to prevent any rollouts that may happen. This is really nice because I wont have to worry about changing inserts or backs for minute changes in paintball size.
After the first day of playing and as of right now, the barrel shows some slight tarnish on the inside. i guess ill have to be cleaning this barrel after everyday of playing.
I have heard rare stories of how PPS barrels can get dinged and dented from extreme diving barrel first into the ground and hard slides spearing into bunkers, but I dont do crazy extreme moves and wouldnt know. i highly doubt that you could dent or bend brass playing tourney ball even.
Base price is $45(w/ wedgits), powder coating, +$10, change length to 13", +$10. 65 dollars for a custom made barrel that rivals with a CCM kit, you cant beat that for 65 bucks. However, 65 for a single piece is a bit on the expensive side, CP singles are only $40. If i were to add porting, it would have costed another 40 bucks or so, but that hurts efficiency.
Customer Service: N/A to product quality/performance
This barrel is from Palmer's Pursuit Shop, and they have excellent customer service. I ordered this barrel over the phone and had planned to go pick it up, but things came up and I couldnt make it to the shop. I asked if any of them were going out to WAP to play, none of them were, but Craig was nice to offer to drop it off to the field owners for me. I took the offer and paid by credit over the phone. Excellent customer service.
This barrel averages out to an 8.25 in my review, but I'll have to mark an 8 for this after roundind down. Remember, a 5 is average, which is where my smart parts linear belongs.(I'm too lazy to write a review on that crap barrel)
If you want a nice and heavy single piece barrel built the way you want is and can shoot all the small bore paints(or big bore if you get the .690), call PPS right now.
8 out of 10
Last edited on Saturday, June 2nd, 2007 at 6:22 pm PST
Anything works good with the brass due to its eliptical honing.
Ability to shoot any paint
If you break, it's not the easiest barrel to clean.
The brass barrel from Palmer is not like any other barrel out there. Brass is the naturally slickest material agianst the shell of a paintball which lets the paint fly through the barrel with absolultly no interference. That's not what makes this barrel so great though.
The brass barrel is eliptically honed meaning that the barrel starts off small and then expands in the center only to shrink back down again. It does this because as paint goes through a barrel, it expands. The elipticalness of the honing allows for this giving the ball an even amount of air the entire way through the shot.
Another thing that's wonderful about the brass is that it can shoot all types of paint. Unless you're using stuff that has been left outside in the rain for a couple of months, the brass will shoot it striaght. You could stick some mid range paint through the brass and it would shoot as striaght as marbs through a barrel kit.
This is great if the fields you are at are field paint only. No need to match paint and even if it's crappy paint (as I've found field paint to be) it'll shoot great.
Also, using a barrel kit, you have keep on changing out inserts as the day goes on as paint size can change from bag to bag, and sometimes, even ball to ball. As the temperature changes, paint size can change as well making paint matching pretty useless.
In conclusion, the brass barrel is in my opinion, the best out there. At a cheap price with the option of no venting, spiral venting, and double spiral venting, as well as different finishes, you're bound to get a barrel to match your tastes. I personally enjoy a loud marker so I went with no venting. Some like a quiet marker, double venting would be for them.
Where the brass shines though is that it's basically a one barrel, barrel-kit.
I give it a 10/10. I was so impressed by the barrel (and Palmer's regulators) that I went out and bought a Blazer.
Tippmann A-5, A.P.E. Rampage board/e-grip, DOP front bolt, Pure Energy remote coil, Dye Throttle 4500PSI/70CUI HPA tank, Trinity rear drive spring, Palmer brass barrel, JCS Duel trigger, JCS "Jet Click" mod, 3 point sling
ANY! Thats the beauty of this barrel! (see review body)
Shoots any paint and is as acurate as ANY barrel out there.
None that matter (see review body)...
After researching a LOT about different barrels last year, I came by these. after buying one, I couldnt believe how well it worked and that no one else that I knew was using them! I figured that I would share the knowledge with you...
That barrel is question is produced by Craig Palmer him self (paintball superstar, maker of the Palmer line of markers such as the Blazer and Typhoon, and owner/operator of PPS - Palmer Pursuit Shop - www.palmer-pursuit.com). That barrel being the Palmer Pursuit Shop (PPS) brass barrel.
These things are the absolute shiznit! They have a LOT of great things going for them...
They offer elliptical honing, meaning that no matter what size/type of paintball you use, it will always be matched to at least part of the inner diameter of the barrel. That means no need for different inserts, backs or "kits". Its a truly "one size fits all" barrel when it comes to paint balls. No more paint matching every time you play or switch ball types!
They are also made out of pure brass (hence the name, DUH!). Brass offers the LOWEST amount of friction when in contact with paintball shell gelatin. Less friction then any other material used in paintball barrels today, including but not limited to carbon-fiber, ceramic, aluminum, and stainless steel.
Now itís not needed (these work great straight out of the box), but PPS will also match the barrel specifically to your marker. Now I donít mean your type of marker but YOUR marker. If you have the time to send it in, they will match the barrel to your marker offering the ABSOLUTE BEST performance. This is the only company which I know of that will purpose match their barrel to your specific marker. If you chose to do so you are guaranteed to have the absolute best performance you can possible buy as far as barrels are concerned anyway.
I had one of Palmer's barrels on my last marker, a highly moded Tippmann A5. I tired MANY different barrels before finding about the PPS barrels. I went through the stock A-5 barrel, a Flatline, a Stiffi CF barrel, and a J&J 2 piece ceramic barrel. The PPS brass outperformed ALL of these by a noticeable amount. I could literally put paint on top of paint from 50' out while firing at fully automatic speeds of 20BPS. The amount of head shots which I got after switching to this barrel was unprecedented. I could literally use any paint too. From super crap field paint (Google "Bonus Balls" ) to year old paint, to Marbalizers it fired them with the up most accuracy and range. I loved the fact that I could do this without needing to change anything on my marker! I was sad whem I had to sell it with the A-5. I will be picking one up for the PMR when I get a chance though. The only reason why I got the UL over a PPS brass is because I got a super deal on a used UL. A friend with a cocker sold me an almost new UL for only 45 bucks. I couldnt pass that up!
Now this barrel isnít all sunshine and farts. It does have one downside. Itís WEIGHT. Because itís made of ALL BRASS, this thing is heavy compared to most of the other barrels out on the market. However since I had it on an A-5 this wasnít something that I noticed. Just keep in mind that this thing is a bantam weight barrel. Other then that, there really arenít any down sides to the PPS Brass.
There are a few options when you order one too, however NONE of the options affect performance one way or another. You can get it ported or unported. Porting will add a lot to the cost, but will also make the barrel MUCH more quiet. An unported version has a rather loud report. Of course if you donít care about how loud it is then b y all means get the unported version. It will save you a lot of extra cash.
The other ordering option is it's finish. You can get it in plain brass (free), Powder Coated black (extra 10 bucks), or Nickel plated (very shiny, bling-bling chrome style, also very costly). Again the coating is only on the OUTSIDE of the barrel and has no effect on performance what so ever.
The ONLY "option" (available on select barrel types) which has any performance benefit, is the "widget" option. These are similar to ball detents which help prevent balls from rolling out of the barrel at unwanted times when the gun is pointed downwards...
"Widget System holds the ball in place until firing. No more roll outs."
Anyhoo, here is what Palmer has to say about his barrels, and the link from where to order/view the barrels:
"Achieve extreme accuracy with these custom made solid brass barrels. Brass provides the least friction against gelatin and the best opportunity to get it shaped and finished properly. The texture and shape of the bore are both important to consistency and effectiveness. The way that we set up barrels here depends on the gun and its use. However, the basic concept is based on a shape that is slightly elliptical. A little tighter at the breech and muzzle than in the center section of the tube. The specific dimensioning will vary with the type and setup of the gun. We have had good results with shaping to meet the basic need of guns by brand but will usually achieve better results when we have THE specific gun to work with. Wedgits can be use with pumps and closed bolt paintball guns. Nickel plating and or powder coating is only on the outside of the barrel with polished raw brass on the inside."
BTW, PPS makes these at a standard 12". Craig Plamer stated that 12" is optimum for pretty much every situation and marker using his barrels. The WILL, however, custom make you one which is longer or shorter then 12" uppon request.
if you have any other questions, just call PPS. Last time I did that I even talked to Craig him self over the phone! He spent half an hour working out a marker problem for me, even though it didnt have anything to do with one of his products! His shop has A+ customer service.
You arenít going to be able to find a more reliable and accurate barrel for the money or even for more money. This barrel does everything that an entire barrel KIT does. It shoots as straight as the most expensive barrel out there and shoots every kind of paint as well as the best barrel KIT out there... all in ONE SINGLE BARREL PACKAGE. And it does all of this at 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of said barrel kits.
BUY THIS BARREL! YOU WONT REGRET IT!
10 out of 10
Last edited on Wednesday, April 25th, 2007 at 11:14 am PST