I'm a hardcore poor gun whore, nine (9) markers and counting:
3 Autocockers (2 E-Cockers)
2 JT E-Excellerators
1 VL E-marker
TWO WORDS: Trigger bounce.
Was expensive, now cheaper on Net
What I said before, TRIGGER BOUNCE pushes the trigger back towards your finger, allowing you to rapid-fire like crazy if you find a sweet-spot. Honestly, as a tourney player it takes a little time to bother, ya might as well fan it, accuracy is gonna suck...
Or better yet, buy the ReTro valve for use with your electro grip frame (Airgun says it's a direct match for the Hyperframe), or you can get it millled to accept the AGD ULT Ultra Light Trigger pull kit.
Plus the weight difference over the stock A.I.R. valve is incredible, because it uses an aluminum back. I got a Diamond Labs Hurricane (no longer in production) for my Mag and still use it, it dropped the weight like a B-17 over Schweinfurt.
Although the recharge rate is extremely high (like what 22 bps?)
The good old stainless steel A.I.R. was reputed to cycle at 18+ bps.
If I could move my finger that fast, I wouldn't leave the house.
*EDIT: I went out last week (Feb. 2007) with four (4) markers, and ended up only being able to use the ReTro Mag!!! Imagine that, a humble mechanical Mag outshooting thousand dollar guns!
First off, my brand-new DM4 blew the on/off o-ring below the barrel. Then both my E-Blade E1 Cockers refused to cycle properly.
Dumping oil into the ASA, unscrewing the ReTro valve in half and dumping oil in, and oiling the Level 10 Anti-Chop Bolt kit, I gassed up and played the ENTIRE day WITHOUT a single CHOP or BREAK in the barrel. I can't remember the last time that happened, ohmigod!
I was able to outshoot EVERYBODY from rental Tippmann 98's to guys with Spyder Electra rocking triggers, and even a guy with an WDP Angel-1!!!
If you can find it, buy it 'cuz people always want the latest and greatest, that being the X-Valve, which comes with a Level 10 anti-chop bolt kit as well as being available in several colors!!! Oooh, the colors...
*EDIT: Apparently the X-Valve not only does the job of the ReTro valve, but is lighter, comes in more colors (although rare) and can install the ULT (Ultra Light Trigger) Kit
10 out of 10
Last edited on Monday, March 5th, 2007 at 7:56 pm PST
Automag RT / Y Grip / 68ci 3000psi Flatline / Level 10 / DYE Aluminum / 12v X Board
Blazing Fast! Bounce
Leakage (very little)
The RT valve is one of the most unique feels in a paintball gun. The trigger isn't exactly light but it pops back immediately. If you have an adjustable tank the response is increased enormously. If you pull the trigger just right you can get it to "bounce" off your finger and reach amazing bps. The Valve itself is quality constructed and will last forever will very little maintenance. With the level 10 installed the valve is supercharged. Firing amazingly fast without chopping a single ball.
If you have an automag, make this your first upgrade! This thing will rip your performance. This is like nothing else in the paintball world. Buy it as soon as you can! You will not be disapointed!
nothing what so ever, this is the only reactive trigger I've ever used.
Automag with a RT valve,Freak barrel kit,warp feed left with a richochet feeding the warp.
Very consistant,Very fast,cool looking.
price is high and easy to short stroke.
This thing is awsome, it makes it very easy to shoot my mag as fast as a lot of my friends electros and it is very consistant.If you have a good paint to barrel match and good paint you can put ball on top of ball at 100 yards, works really well if you are sniping.
As far as it being expensive you can get them for $250.00 dollars and then sell your old valve for around $100.00 so you are spending $150.00 to basically get a new gun.This thing really brings your mag back to life.
As for the short stroking, I think it is because it's new and hasn't broken in yet.That and I still have the original single trigger on my mag,so in actuallity this thing kicks butt and I completely recomend it.
Awsome upgrade for anyone still using the classic valve.Awsome consistancy and no shootdown,plus the reactive trigger that is tournament legal.What more could you want.
2k3 red cocker, jam bolt, system x drop, vigilante reg, nitro. all else stock
my mag has pmi ceramic barrel, system x drop, egg2, nitro, lvl 10, intelliframe
very fast, very quick, no drop off
only can use nitro, but that doesn't matter
this thing is awsome. it allows your mag to easily compete with high end elctros, NOT BATTERIES REQUIRED. it is expensive, but if you use the go retro program it is worth it. look at it this way, the mag valve is the gun. you put in a new valve system you bought a new gun. this and a lv 10 and intelliframe breathes new life into the aged and time proven automag. you can't go wrong with a mag.
excellent product from agd. agd among the best out there, there products are always top notch.
i have a new agd automag with the all american, intelliframe, retro valve, , centerflag hyperflow nitro, shocktech drop
Hey I was happy with my mag just they it was. I love the standard feed and the simplicity. So my brother goes out and buys himself a retro valve upgrade, no big deal right?
Boy was I wrong his gun took off like a rocket when I popped a series of heavy-ass shots thru it. None and I repeat none of the rounds lost any more altitude than the one fired milliseconds before it. Everything hit in the same squealing spot every single time.
And the trigger pull, dear sweet heavens the trigger pull.
When I felt the trigger pop back in forth like an engine piston in my grimy little trigger finger a very strong and sick desire spread thru my head and never even left till my own Mag at home had one locked inside her.
I've never been so satisfied with any one paintball upgrade.
This is a review earlier and i have never read an article froma more whitetrash person ever stuart hall
68/3000 Flatline hanging on a KAPP DZ2
Freak Barrel System
An amazing rate of fire. Find the "sweet spot" and it's kitty bar the door and holy schnikes!
You can absolutely rip on this thing. Recharges so fast, you can't outshoot it. With proper maintenance, it lasts forever. Literally. And with the online manuals at http://www.automags.org maintenance is easy to follow.
AGD doesn't rest on their laurels either. With the upcoming release of the Level 10 modification, chopping in any Mag is a thing of the past. Just like cockers are going to be...
As usual, AGD comes through with yet another world class product. The rest of the industry must be tired playing catch up for so long...
All the other marker brands have to compete with it.
Superior valving from a superior company. AGD for life.
Black to Silver faDE Mag
Black Benchmark 1x
Black Dye Stickeys
Black Dye Aluminum barrel
Black Kapp Drop Zone
CenterFlag 420 68 4500
Black RASE tank cover
And Red Splash Micromag
Black Blade Intelliframe
CenterFlag 68 4500
-Highest recharge rate of any valve any gun anything.
-Capable of 22 bps (That may be good, I don't know)
-Easily distinguishable between other valves(after spending $300.00 you might like that.)
-Much better air efficiency over stock valve
-Easy to maintain
-The price is a little high(try AutoMags.org to find a used one)
-That's about it
Made by AGD so it rocks (Duh!!). The price is a little high, but I got mine for like $50.00 in a trade so I don't really care. It looks great and works better than it looks. Shoots fast. Really fast. I would get one and use the valve exchange thing from AGD.
68 classic AIR valve, Minimag valve, put it this way I've shot about every mag valve....
ReTromag, Warp left e-mag body, Warpfeed, 12vlt w/ a evo. paddle, Smart Parts splash kit, 16inch splashed AA barrel, Smart parts triggerframe.
With this you get a reactive trigger, lighter trigger pull, less shootdown, basically this is the best upgrade for a mag you can get, unless you get an e-mag conversion :)
Nothing really, I had some trouble w/ the velocity adjuster but I fixed that easily, they can be pricy but I got a great deal on mine, I've heard stories about people getting em for standard feed bodies and makeing chop suey outa some balls cause of the blow back.... I still haven't had more then 10 breaks in my valve w/ my warp body...
Basically this thing has it all. And unlike those tippmann response triggers these things are NPPL tourney legal. So this is for serious players I guess. You can't go wrong w/ AGD.... and o yeah DON'T SHOOT CO2 OUTA IT
RT valve, gen-X reg, centerflag 68 4.5K, shocktech 5 in with KAPP on/off ASA, sight rail, VL 12 vlt w/ turbo rev board that drove my warp-feed, 12 in boomy, mac-line, intelliframe w/ blade.
Fast recharge, no shoot-down, no short stroking, pushes yer finger back
nothing really, maybe the money i spend on paint.
RT valve is by far the best upgrade for any gun ever, however, if you kow the trigger secret to the regular valve, RT valve isn't worth $200. I can make my regular A>I>R valve have a 3 mm trigger pull , this makes the RT valve worht maybe $100, plus, i got the Z-valve, so t charges faster (not AGD though :(