i wen p8ntballing when my gun was in the shop and i sorta had to use this gun, or use a rental :-p anyways, i will never play w/ this gun again, the gun chopped like crazi, at least 50 in a 200 rd box, get a new barrel, i just lookec at the barrel and was like ,"i am soposed to use that!!!!!! no way" so i took the barrel on the piranha of and used that, single trigger....big no-no, only for u noob snipers, its not for speed ball, when you have to shoot like crazi or youll die but this gun sucks,, the only good thing is the name brand....Kingmann
Conclusion:
dont get it, ill give it a 3 cause well i feel generous
this is a dependable marker with very simple mechanics.
Weaknesses:
the accuracy of the stock gun is poor
Review:
bad barrel which can be upgraded
great price for what you get
easy to maintain/clean
if you have the money you can get a more accurate weapon but if you dont you should get some kind of spyder. this is the most basic of the spyder guns, but you can always start with the base and add on in the future.
Conclusion:
i purchased one of the first generation spyders years ago and it still works great, for cost it cannot be beat. sure you will be out-gunned by the guy with the angel, but you can compete with him and keep $800 in your pocket.
Spyder Classic w/J&J ceramicbarrel w an inline reg/expansion chamber and aftermarket valves
Recommended Upgrades:
barrell definitly, a reg helps
Strengths:
cheap, lots of accesories available
Weaknesses:
hates cold weather and pmi superswirls trigger kinda akward, sight rail is retarded
Review:
i bought this gun from a friend a year ago for 80 bucks, it came with a Java 8oz. i use it in warm weather and it did great. i used it in cold weather and it started to chop almost every ball. id squedge the barrell and soon itd chop another one. and it started to eat co2 faster than a brass eagle. maybe i have an oring going bad in the gun or something but im starting to get pissed off at it.
Conclusion:
if you live in a warm climate or using it indoors it is fine but stay away from it when its cold
spyder xtra, spyder agressor, spyder victor, all other spyders, and clones
Marker Setup:
i have a spyder shutter(blue)
with a 14 inch tear drop (blue)
12 volt revy (blue)
spyder esp electronic trigger frame (blue)
i have a blue elbow
a smart parts max flow 68/4500 air system
the sweet spot trigger (blue)
then i have my prodigy. this gun is great for any beginner. it is stock except for the quantum hopper which it came with.
Recommended Upgrades:
barrel, drop forward(not 100% necessary), and an expansion chamber, also a new bolt, double trigger, and if you want to get fancy an electronic trigger.
Strengths:
cheap, reliable, fast, accurate
Weaknesses:
no expansion chamber, stock barrel isnt too good
Review:
this was one of my very first guns. i have sold it to my friend to buy my shutter(best gun i ever shot). i had a 14 inch progressor barrel on it, an expansion chamber, a new bolt, and a double trigger, also the drop forward. i loved it. i had a spring in it that made the gun do 600 fps, whih was nice. it its completely illegal to play at those speeds. this was a fun cheap and great gun that i greatly miss, but my shutter has very much made up for it.
Conclusion:
good gun, but needs alot of up grades. i think it deserves a 10 from playing with it, but from reading you probally dont think so. so in my book its a nine.
Spyder Classic With Revalation barrel Vl 200 rnd hopper 20 oz co2 (Getting new gun for xmas)
Recommended Upgrades:
Barrel is always nice.
Strengths:
DURIABLE! EASY TO USE
Weaknesses:
Not exactly tournement level but good Practice gun
Review:
First this gun was my little bros. He was like in 5th grade when it was his. He is the most clumsiest person i know. He slammed this gun into the ground more times then i can count and it still works like new! Ive never had to replace anything on this gun. This gun is awsome for backup or practice or with a few upgrades, Primary. I like this gun alot more then Those complicated makers becuase you can screw in your paint and your ready to go! This gun has Never let me down!!!!
Conclusion:
Conclusion 75 bucks for the most Dependable maker ive ever used can upgrade the crap outta it Good for any lever i give it a 9
Spyder Classic: Sub-Zero 6 stage expansion chamber: 18 inch barrel
Recommended Upgrades:
Longer barrel
Expansion chamber
Spring set would be nice
Strengths:
Reliable
Inexpensive
Easy to work on
Easy to modify
Weaknesses:
WTF IS IT WITH SPYDER PUTTING THE SIGHT RAILS RITE WHERE YOU CANT USE THEM!!
Review:
I beat the he// out of my guns and I have never had a problem with this. This being said, I want to know who the short buss riding, window licking, football helmet wearing fool was that thought it would be neat or a “good idea” to put a sight rail on the top of a paint ball gun WITH THE BALL FEED NOT 4 INCHES INFRONT OF IT! It is a problem that now plagues most of the paint ball world. I mean jeez even Brass Eagle doesn’t do that, and they put out some of the worst designed crap ever!
Now that my ranting is out of the way, I can say how much I love this gun. People start to hate me because with a setup that cost me around $100 (I bought mine used) I am more accurate, and have less marker problems, than some of my buddies with $600+ systems.
If you have any mechanical knowledge or ability you can easily improve the stock gun, and even without polishing and simple machining the gun is nearly flawless. It is to simple to fail, yet it has enough potential that even the best players can’t out grow it.
Some simple improvements I would suggest are: Polish the bolt, bevel the inside of the ball feed (it wears on the bolt, which then wears the inside of the gun, which, after a few years, starts to eat through the o-rings, etc… bad jue jue, simple fix), bevel the tip of the bolt, and do some simple machining to switch the D@MN S!GHT RA!L, with the plastic peace on the side (don’t lose the little rubber nub though).
Conclusion:
Excellent gun for all players at all levels (though I would not suggest it for people who eventually want automatics).
spyder classic with 14" progressive rifled barrel. premier 4 stage expansion chamber.
200 round vl
32 degrees elbow
Recommended Upgrades:
A double trigger is a must for this gun. my fingrer gets tired of shooting after awhile.
some kind of volumizer
motorized hopper
Strengths:
good range
easily customizable
not a co2 waster
thick metal, durable frame
Weaknesses:
i havent had it long enough to tell.
(none compared to the samuri i had)
Review:
The fist time i used it was in a game in my woods with my friends. my enemy was using a 98 custom. my team mate was using a talon(lol) i was the first one out. my team member lasted longer. other than me sucking at hiding this is avery good gun i would have won if my mask wasnt neon green. its surprisingly light for its size( a 20 ounce co2 wasnt helping).
its only chopped 4 balls out of 2000. the only reason it was chopping balls is i go a little trigger happy.
Conclusion:
this is an excellent gun for beginners or pros. i definitle would get one if you dont have one. it might not be real easy to find but you can get one used for cheap. i paid 50 at a pawn shop.
Rating:
10 out of 10
Last edited on Sunday, November 2nd, 2003 at 3:45 pm PST
Tippman 98
Spyder Flash LCD (not really similar but still a spyder)
Marker Setup:
Spyder Classic
w/ Smart Parts stainless barrel
20 oz Co2
Recommended Upgrades:
-A good barrel, i love the smart parts stainless. It is older but it is incredibly acurrate and puts alot of distance on it.
-Perhaps a drop forward to balance it out.
-some manner of foregrip
-im going to see if they make an after-market double trigger frame
Strengths:
-Reliable
-Durable
-Reletivly accurate
-anti double-feed system
Weaknesses:
-somewhat akward with a 20oz
-dissassembles with a metric hex wrench, no field strip
Review:
This gun is very reliable! I've never had a major problem with it. My cocking knob somehow vibrated off during play in heavy brush, and i was never able to find it so i have to pull it back with a hex wrench or something. It seems to be pretty consistant chronoing at 290,292,270,302, etc. I bought mine used and it didn't come with a sight rail as i've seen others have for some reason, i guess the previous user removed it for one reason or another. You might want a drop forward to help balance it and reduce the fact that its so freakin' long! I find myself tight in a bunker having to lean back and prop the tank up over my shoulder due to the overall length of my barrel and the gun combined. The trigger pull is quite light, i can get about 8 balls per second. Not exactly auto cocker, but hey. This thing compares with the model 98 in durability. i cant tell you how many times this thing has been dropped and still shoots.
Conclusion:
I've gotten a countless number auto-cocker loyal e-class orracle bling-bling shiny angel folks with this thing. (putting that dumb look on their face that says "what just heppened?") It's reliable quiet, time-tested, and inexpensive. It's an awsome gun for newbies (like me...) and intermediate players.
I actually have 2 Classics. One is an unmodified gun and the other is modded. I bought the stock one from a friend that needed money. It cost me $50. I had never played and figured if I did not like it I could sell it for the same amount and be out nothing. Well I got to play. I loved it. This gun is great. Great and simple beginners gun. There are a lot of people that hate on Spyder. Don't listen to them. Everyone needs to start somewhere. This is a great starter and there is a lot of support and mods for this gun.
I later bought a modified Classic. It was way cheaper than buying the same mods that I was going to buy. It had a TL trigger and grip, lightened trigger spring, longer spyder barrel, x chamber, and low pressure chamber. This gun is also awesome.
i have never choped a ball with either gun. And the only paint I broke was cheap stuff that I should have never used.
Conclusion:
Simple, cheap, easy to mod, but still great in stock form.
solid gun, hardly ever have problems, accurate, single finger trigger
Weaknesses:
none
Review:
i have been using this gun for over 2 years now and love it. the only problem i have ever had was a ripped o-ring on the striker bolt once. i have kept the stock barrel, 9 1/2 inches. no need for anything longer, the gun shoots great as is. very easy to tear down for cleaning too. granted, i am not an everyday player. i play when i can, so this gun is perfect for me.
Conclusion:
buy this gun if you are a newbie or dont want to pay a few hundred for another gun. this gun will perform excellently.
